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Consistency vs. Experimentation

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Thread Starter 

I suppose this topic could relate to movies, television, music, whatever.

 

There are some great artists that play the same, or a similar song, repeatedly throughout their careers. Others are restless, experimenting in new genres, new styles, new points of view. They stand side by side, though I struggle to think about it much like, say, rock critics.

 

I see this in rock criticism more often -- a talented band or artist who brings great truth to light in their albums, but who has his own very specific niche, his one unique skill set. And it gets to the point where rock critics sigh and throw their hands up - oh, it's another Beach House album, sounds just like the old Beach House album. It's sort of a snobbery that suggests, oh, Vampire Weekend knows nothing about hip hop, do they? The old Mitch Hedberg joke, "Oh, you're a farmer. Can you cook?"

 

I can admit getting a bit worn down by the latest Sigur Ros album, which sounds very much like Sigur Ros: gorgeous, cacophonous, alien, melodic, and not at all dissimilar to the last few from the band. But that doesn't mean that the album isn't good - in time, it will sit alongside the others as music I would love to revisit, to play, to zone out with.

 

I started this thread because of the expected-to-be-divisive word of what may be the summer's best film, "Moonrise Kingdom." From its opening moments, there's no doubt: this is a Wes Anderson movie. Detractors (or even people who disliked, say, "The Darjeeling Limited"), find the exits. Being PG-13 and centered around kids has not changed Anderson's M.O. one bit. Same deadpan, low-key actors, same over-detailed tracking shots, same meticulous wardrobe, same scratchy low-fi soundtrack.

 

Within this film, though, there's such loveliness, such beauty. It's a real sweetheart of a film, but speaking to others who had just seen it, the opinion seemed to be, "Eh, just another Wes Anderson film." I understand if you've only been watching Anderson;s films all year (uh, why are you doing this?), but Anderson's films are like an oasis in the desert, particularly in the summer boom boom months. I don't know how you could see this film and not be charmed. Were it someone's first Wes Anderson film, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't leave without a smile on their face, maybe a tear in their eye. But the Anderson veterans? Mostly eyes rolling, backhanded compliments, complaints about sameyness. Arguments that, to me, don't have much merit.

 

I guess what I'm asking is, why do we punish artists for staying within their wheelhouse, and why do we register cynicism when it happens?

post #2 of 10

Would you mount a similar defense for Tim Burton?  He's been in his wheelhouse for the better part of the last fifteen years.

 

And I'm not trying to be contrary, I'm genuinely curious.  Why do we want to allow some directors to keep making the same kind of films over and over again, but some get nailed to the cross for it?

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Thread Starter 

Well, I was referring to relevant artists.

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We're fickle, and we resist the unknown or unproven. We want novelty, but also familiarity. When an audience thinks they know what they want, it's up to the artist to give them what they need.

 

Also, it depends upon the artist, and the wheelhouse. Here are two people who have essentially re-made the same movie ten times: Eric Rohmer and Adam Sandler. Discuss.

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I think a really good artist can create variation even within a generally similar structure, and be no less creative for having done something familiar. There's an old classical-music joke that "Vivaldi wrote one concerto - and then re-wrote it five hundred times," but I don't think anybody's actually dissing the man's work by that.
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We had this discussion in 2006 with Casino Royale. In that case (but not only there) i'm siding with experimentation. My brain doesn't like to be bored and is not easily surprised. So the unusual approach is the most interesting for me personally, but i think objectively you can argue in the same way: A new approach is objectively better than the same stuff over again.

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So the unusual approach is the most interesting for me personally, but i think objectively you can argue in the same way: A new approach is objectively better than the same stuff over again.
I'm curious, how exactly is that "objective?"
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If the filmmaker/artist has something to say or express, that thing they want to say or express will dictate the need for consistency or experimentation. Consistency usually indicates an concern for the body of work as a whole thing - experimentation suggests a need or desire to create a contrasting work or statement.

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commodorejohn:

It's me trying to be objective. I'm not saying it works ;-)

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To me this all has to do with relevance. Wes Anderson (whose work I really love) seems to have more interesting things to say in his particular style. Woody Allen has arguably been making the same film repeatedly for thirty years, but I still find value in his stuff too. Commodorejohn's point about Vivaldi is well made, I think: spend some time with a Bob Dylan fanatic and try to keep track of the supposed nuance that distinguishes a 70's performance of 'Sad-eyed Lady of the Lowlands' versus a 90's performance of the same song. The point is that Dylan is still a relevant artist who's interpretation of his own work are smart, examined and germane to the time, whatever time it happens to be. 

Anderson is thoughtful funny and interested in exploring some of the deeper reaches of the family experience; Adam Sandler makes poo-poo jokes. Whose act is going to get tired sooner? 

Gabe T is right on the money talking about this w/r/t music, as to me it's the side of show business that moves fastest, ages quickest and is most prone to eating itself. It's a rare musician who can maintain a long career of constant experimentation (Neil Young is one) and keep a high profile.

I believe that some people like to be threatened by the art they consume, while others (most, in fact), like to be comforted. This is why way more people saw Grown-Ups than Inland Empire, and why The Hunger Games made more money in a month than Battle Royale did in ten years.

And yeah, sometimes I seek out the familiar or unthreatening. I paid money to see American Reunion when I could have seen A Separation instead, because it had been a hard day and I needed to laugh (seeing AR was not the way to go, obviously).

But there still is no excuse for Tim Burton.

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