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post #151 of 182
5/29/12 at 12:17pm

90. Ghost In the Shell 2: Innocence (2006, d: Mamoru Oshii)

 

 

 

 

Takes the original concept of the manga and the first film for a philosophical, poetic, metaphorical ride. Perhaps too Waking Life for its own good at times, at the expense of moving plot, but more ambitious (not to mention completely STUNNING, visually), than almost anything that's come before or since.

 

And that score. Especially the drums.

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post #152 of 182
5/29/12 at 2:43pm

#91 Volere Volare (1991)

 

Another one I caught on TV and is still one of the weirdest films I've seen.  Guy that does sound effects falls for a girl.  On their first date he finds his hands have turned into cartoons, and he slowly turns into a cartoon character version of himself.


Whimsical, lovely, mental.

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post #153 of 182
5/29/12 at 3:06pm
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The list so far...

 

1. The Iron Giant (Brad Bird, 1999)
2. Up (Pete Doctor & Bob Peterson, 2009)
3. Watership Down (Martin Rosen, 1978)
4. Rock & Rule (Clive A. Smith, 1983)
5. Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs (David Hand, 1937)
6. Transformers: The Movie (Nelson Shin, 1986)
7. Sleeping Beauty (Clyde Geronimi, 1959)
8. Toy Story (John Lasseter, 1995)
9. The Incredibles (Brad Bird, 2004)
10. Ninja Scroll (Yoshiaki Kawajiri, 1993)
11. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001)
12. Fantastic Mr. Fox (Wes Anderson, 2009)
13. Peter Pan (Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson & Hamilton Luske, 1953)
14. Akira (Katsuhiro Otomo, 1988)
15. The Emperor's New Groove (Mark Dindall, 2000)
16. The Jungle Book (Wolfgang Reitherman, 1967)
17. Yellow Submarine (George Dunning, 1968)
18. Ghost In The Shell (Mamoru Oshii, 1995)
19. The Triplets Of Belleville (Sylvain Chomet, 2003)
20. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (Trey Parker, 1999)
21. Heavy Metal (Gerald Potterton, 1981)
22. Aladdin (Ron Clements & John Musker, 1992)
23. Coraline (Henry Selick, 2009)
24. My Neighbor Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki, 1988)
25. The Nightmare Before Christmas (Henry Selick, 1993)
26. Fantasia (James Algar & Samuel Armstrong, 1940)
27. Ratatouille (Brad Bird, 2007)
28. Toy Story 2 (John Lasseter, 1999)
29. Bambi (David Hand, 1942)
30. Wizards (Ralph Bakshi, 1977)
31. Who Framed Roger Rabbit (Robert Zemeckis, 1988)
32. Waltz With Bashir (Ari Folman, 2008)
33. Toy Story 3 (Lee Unkrich, 2010)
34. How To Train Your Dragon (Chris Sanders & Dean DeBlois, 2010)
35. Robin Hood (Wolfgang Reitherman, 1973)
36. The Adventures of Prince Achmed (Lotte Reiniger, 1926)
37. The Lion King (Roger Allers & Rob Minkoff, 1994)
38. Princess Mononoke (Hayao Miyazaki, 1997)
39. Fire And Ice (Ralph Bakshi, 1983)
40. Persepolis (Marjane Satrapi & Vincent Paronnaud, 2007)
41. Grave Of The Fireflies (Isao Takahata, 1988)
42. The Three Caballeros (Norman Ferguson, 1944)
43. WALL•E (Andrew Stanton, 2008)
44. The Illusionist (Sylvain Chomet, 2010)
45. The Last Unicorn (Arthur Rankin Jr. & Jules Bass, 1982)
46. The Hobbit (Arthur Rankin Jr. & Jules Bass, 1977)
47. The Secret Of NIMH (Don Bluth, 1982)
48. The Secret Of Kells (Tomm Moore & Nora Twomey, 2009)
49. Wallace & Gromit: The Curse Of The Were-Rabbit (Nick Park & Steve Box, 2005)
50. Dumbo (Ben Sharpsteen, 1941)
51. A Bug's Life (John Lasseter, 1998)
52. Chicken Run (Peter Lord & Nick Park, 2000)
53. The Little Mermaid (Ron Clements & John Musker, 1989)
54. I Married A Strange Person (Bill Plympton, 1997)
55. When the Wind Blows (Jimmy Murakami, 1986)
56. Perfect Blue (Satoshi Kon, 1997)
57. Finding Nemo (Andrew Stanton, 2003)
58. The Black Cauldron (Ted Berman & Richard Rich, 1985)
59. Lady And The Tramp (Clyde Geronimi & Wilfred Jackson, 1955)
60. A Scanner Darkly (Richard Linklater, 2006)
61. Tokyo Godfathers (Satoshi Kon, 2003)
62. Sita Sings The Blues (Nina Paley, 2008)
63. Waking Life (Richard Linklater, 2001)
64. Millennium Actress (Satoshi Kon, 2001)
65. Robot Carnival (Atsuko Fukushima, Hiroyuki Kitakubo, Hiroyuki Kitazume, Mao Lamdao, Kôji Morimoto, Takashi Nakamura, Katsuhiro Ohtomo, Yasuomi Umetsu & Hidetoshi Ômori, 1991)
66. Fist Of The North Star (Toyoo Ashida, 1986)
67. The Adventures Of Mark Twain (Will Vinton, 1986)
68. Coonskin (Ralph Bakshi, 1975)
69. The Plague Dogs (Martin Rosen, 1982)
70. Otomo Katsuhiro's Memories (Kôji Morimoto, 1995)
71. Pinocchio (Hamilton Luske & Ben Sharpsteen, 1940)
72. Mary and Max (Adam Elliot, 2009)
73. Rango (Gore Verbinski, 2011)
74. One Hundred And One Dalmatians (Clyde Geronimi & Hamilton Luske, 1961)
75. Beauty And The Beast (Gary Trousdale & Kirk Wise, 1991)
76. Cinderella (Clyde Geronimi & Wilfred Jackson, 1950)
77. The Wind In The Willows (Mark Hall & Chris Taylor, 1983)
78. Animal Farm (Joy Batchelor & John Halas, 1954)
79. The Devil And Daniel Mouse (Clive A. Smith, 1978)
80. Allegro Non Troppo (Bruno Bozzetto, 1976)
81. The Thief And The Cobbler (Richard Williams, 1993)
82. Antz (Eric Darnell & Tim Johnson, 1998)
83. Lilo & Stitch (Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders, 2002)
84. The Hunchback Of Notre Dame (Gary Trousdale & Kirk Wise, 1996)
85. Monster House (Gil Kenan, 2006)
86. A Christmas Carol (Richard Williams, 1971)
87. Titan A.E. (Don Bluth & Gary Goldman, 2000)
88. Metropolis (Rintaro, 2001)
89. Fantastic Planet (René Laloux, 1973)
90. The Phantom Tollbooth (Chuck Jones, Abe Levitow & Dave Monahan, 1970)
91. My Life As McDull (Toe Yuen, 2001)
92. Footrot Flats: The Dog's Tale (Murray Ball, 1987)
93. Porco Rosso (Hayao Miyazaki, 1992)
94. Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence (Mamoru Oshii, 2004)
95. Volere Volare (Guido Manuli & Maurizio Nichetti, 1991)


Edited by Barry Woodward - 5/29/12 at 4:44pm
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post #154 of 182
5/29/12 at 4:29pm
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Porco Rosso (1992, d: Hayao Miyazaki)

 

Miyazaki takes a break from epic fantasy, starts making a commercial short for an airline company, and STILL comes out with a hilarious and heartbreaking instant classic.

 

 

 

I'd personally say that while I really thought Porco Rosso was great fun, and really good, as a lesser Miyazaki effort I don't know that it necessarily belongs on a "100 Greatest" list. 

 

 

But what the hell, Fire and Ice is a complete piece of shit and it's own here. 

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post #155 of 182
5/29/12 at 5:21pm

96. American Pop (Ralph Bakshi, 1981)

 

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Problematic (sketchy by necessity, as it's a four-generation epic that clocks in at 96 minutes), but extremely ambitious effort by Bakshi to tell a nation's pop-music story in visual iconography and whatever songs he could legally afford.

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post #156 of 182
5/29/12 at 5:34pm

Yeah, I'm with American Pop right up to the point where it tries to use Bob Seger to represent Punk.

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post #157 of 182
5/29/12 at 5:37pm
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I'd personally say that while I really thought Porco Rosso was great fun, and really good, as a lesser Miyazaki effort I don't know that it necessarily belongs on a "100 Greatest" list. 

 

 

But what the hell, Fire and Ice is a complete piece of shit and it's own here. 

 

YMMV and all, but Porco is easily in the top ten of films that make me lose it completely. "Wait... your face!"

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post #158 of 182
5/29/12 at 5:37pm

Okay, am I gonna have to start stabbing bitches?

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post #159 of 182
5/29/12 at 5:45pm
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Yeah, I'm with American Pop right up to the point where it tries to use Bob Seger to represent Punk.

 

I know what you mean, it's a lame note (ha) to end on, but I always figured it was so obviously not punk that it was considered the next step from it. Which is kind of depressing. I mean, the dude's brilliant song turns out to be "Night Moves," IIRC. I can ignore that and the big omissions of Elvis and the Beatles (whose music Bakshi obviously couldn't afford). It still works for me as an American century (or 3/4 of it) viewed through Bakshi's filter. Surprisingly non-sleazy, too, considering it's him.

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post #160 of 182
5/29/12 at 6:06pm

I just watched the entertaining documentary Heckler featuring two brief but funny clips of Devin Faraci. When I heard Leonard Maltin bashing CHUD I was quite pleased.

I don't want to be an asshole here, but "Fire and Ice" was a big disapointment for a lot of Bakshi fans.

 

Bakshi was pioneer and was very important in American animation. He carried the non-Disney Torch for animation for so long, He tried and succeeded in doing for animation what the 60's undergrounds did for comics. I still enjoy watching "Wizards". *It makes me feel like I am 14 and smoking pot and listening to Black Sabbath for the first time), but it is pretty corny and kind of sloppy. It reminds me of O'bannon's "Dark Star'. You have to be very generous when watching it and forgive a lot.  don't think it works for people who don't attatch sentimental value to it. The Lord of the Rings was sort of a fiasco. So ambitious but so little really works. "Fire and Ice" was largely a disappointment.

Then there were the Fritz the Cat, Coonskin, Heavy Traffic years when he was working out some kind of American anthem of the gritty heart of the inner-city, which I think he finally got in American Pop.

Out of all the pre-Cool World work, I think '...Pop'  was the most successful artistically.

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post #161 of 182
5/29/12 at 6:25pm
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I just watched the entertaining documentary Heckler featuring two brief but funny clips of Devin Faraci. When I heard Leonard Maltin bashing CHUD I was quite pleased.

I don't want to be an asshole here, but "Fire and Ice" was a big disapointment for a lot of Bakshi fans.

 

Bakshi was pioneer and was very important in American animation. He carried the non-Disney Torch for animation for so long, He tried and succeeded in doing for animation what the 60's undergrounds did for comics. I still enjoy watching "Wizards". *It makes me feel like I am 14 and smoking pot and listening to Black Sabbath for the first time), but it is pretty corny and kind of sloppy. It reminds me of O'bannon's "Dark Star'. You have to be very generous when watching it and forgive a lot.  don't think it works for people who don't attatch sentimental value to it. The Lord of the Rings was sort of a fiasco. So ambitious but so little really works. "Fire and Ice" was largely a disappointment.

Then there were the Fritz the Cat, Coonskin, Heavy Traffic years when he was working out some kind of American anthem of the gritty heart of the inner-city, which I think he finally got in American Pop.

Out of all the pre-Cool World work, I think '...Pop'  was the most successful artistically.

You said that so perfectly, I was 8 or 9 the first time I saw Wizards, and listened to black sabbath and was aghast at how impossibly cool everything seemed. Heavy Metal was the pinaccle of what my pre-pubescent brain could comprehend at the time.

 

All I remember from Bakshi's Rings was the Road song and where there is whip thre is a way.....and being crestfallen when that shit ended out of nowhere.

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post #162 of 182
5/29/12 at 7:22pm

I watched Bakshis Rings probably in excess of three hundred times or more as a kid.

 

I wish I was kidding.

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post #163 of 182
5/29/12 at 7:50pm
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All I remember from Bakshi's Rings was the Road song and where there is whip thre is a way.....and being crestfallen when that shit ended out of nowhere.

 

That's Rankin-Bass's Return of the King adaptation, which Bakshi didn't do.

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post #164 of 182
5/30/12 at 12:05am
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97. Nausicaä Of The Valley Of The Wind (Hayao Miyazaki, 1984)

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Originally posted by Chavez

 

I'd personally say that while I really thought Porco Rosso was great fun, and really good, as a lesser Miyazaki effort I don't know that it necessarily belongs on a "100 Greatest" list.

 

I didn't include a number in the title on purpose. I see no reason to stop at 100.

 

Where There's A Whip (There's A Way)


Edited by Barry Woodward - 5/30/12 at 12:42am
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post #165 of 182
5/30/12 at 3:45pm
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Okay, am I gonna have to start stabbing bitches?

 

 

I'll fucken CUT you man....

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post #166 of 182
5/30/12 at 3:56pm
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I didn't include a number in the title on purpose. I see no reason to stop at 100.

 

 

 

Eh, I disagree with that - I think if you're doing ANY "greatest (x) of all time" the list should end at a point where you have to really make some hard choices, otherwise you might as well eliminate the "greatest" part of it.  

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post #167 of 182
5/30/12 at 4:50pm
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98. Laputa: Castle In The Sky (Hayao Miyazaki, 1986)

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Originally posted by Chavez
 
Eh, I disagree with that - I think if you're doing ANY "greatest (x) of all time" the list should end at a point where you have to really make some hard choices, otherwise you might as well eliminate the "greatest" part of it.

 

Obviously I don't want people scraping the bottom of the barrel just to keep the thread going but I also don't want to cut it short when there's still great films that have yet to be named. I'm okay with the thread having lax enough standards to include Porco Rosso. ;)


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post #168 of 182
5/30/12 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View PostI'm okay with the thread having lax enough standards to include Porco Rosso. ;)

 

 

Well, then, how about this:

 

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post #169 of 182
5/30/12 at 6:13pm

99. The Castle Of Cagliostro - Hayao Miyazaki.

 

Featuring Steven Spielbergs favorite movie car chase...

 

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post #170 of 182
5/30/12 at 6:26pm

I had no idea Lupin was a Miyazaki creation. (EDIT - oh, I guess he's not)

 

 

Those movies are a total blast. 


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post #171 of 182
5/30/12 at 6:35pm
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I had no idea Lupin was a Miyazaki creation. 

 

 

Those movies are a total blast. 

 

 

Not a double post, I am actually going to Netflix those right now, because I am remembering how unbelievably fucking fun they are. 

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post #172 of 182
5/30/12 at 7:37pm

What's with the Porco Rosso hate? So it's lighter in tone than Miyazaki's other work. That doesn't stop it from being lyrical and touching, and carrying a powerful anti-war message.

 

Tell you what. Watch it with the French dub, starring Jean Reno as Marco (Miyazaki's preference), and then tell me it's unworthy of a best-ever list.

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post #173 of 182
5/30/12 at 7:46pm
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What's with the Porco Rosso hate?

 

 

Mild skepticism that it may not be one of the 100 best animated movies EVER = hate. 

 

 

Hurm. 

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post #174 of 182
5/30/12 at 9:46pm

It was the repeat slagging that ticked me off (and yes, Barry, I did see the smiley). At the very least, permit me to be mildly skeptical about Transformers: The Movie or Antz.

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post #175 of 182
5/30/12 at 10:00pm
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It was the repeat slagging that ticked me off (and yes, Barry, I did see the smiley). At the very least, permit me to be mildly skeptical about Transformers: The Movie or Antz.

 


Barry was defending it. 

 

 

As the list stands now, I can definitely think of a half-dozen movies on here that are nowhere near as good as PR by ANY measure. 

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post #176 of 182
5/30/12 at 11:54pm
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99. The Castle Of Cagliostro - Hayao Miyazaki.

 

Featuring Steven Spielbergs favorite movie car chase...

 

 

 

 

 

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That explains Tintin's big chase sequence right there.

 

Uh...do we include Tintin?

 

 

In support of Fire and Ice. In hasn't aged well and rotoscope REALLY hasn't aged well, but back in the day that was one of the very few functioning "fantasy with a clear vision" movies you could watch. Remember this - before LOTR there really hadn't been a fantasy movie that got it right, so we had to make do with what we had. Many sequences could still be lifted directly into live action and be considered top level fantasy cinema.

 

Few fave bits: The iconic jump from the tree on a cliff into the forest below. The neanderthals attacking the gang on that small tower of rock (the cover art sequence) and Darkwolf unleashes that mighty battle cry and the fucking sky turns to fire. The final dual with Nekron, when Larn manages to land a blow with a nice feint attack from the top then slashes him laterally. I've literally used that move in every sword-combat video game I've ever played and it still works.

 

Utterly ridiculous there hasn't been another cinematic love letter to Frazetta like that since.

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post #177 of 182
5/31/12 at 1:05am

I'll add Darkwolf fighting attackers in the fog. Really, the only thing that takes me out of Fire and Ice is the freehand effects animation of the actual lava and glaciers. Very He-Man there.

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post #178 of 182
5/31/12 at 2:59am
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100. Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm (Bruce W. Timm & Eric Radomski, 1993)

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post #179 of 182
5/31/12 at 4:20am
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I'll add Darkwolf fighting attackers in the fog. Really, the only thing that takes me out of Fire and Ice is the freehand effects animation of the actual lava and glaciers. Very He-Man there.

 

Heheh. But I'd argue that's balanced by the really nice inter-cutting with Nekron on his throne in sort of trance state/magical throes controlling the advancing wall of ice (That guy really creeped me out when he'd go all eyes-turned-up and magicky - very Michael Ironside in Scanners). To be fair, I've probably spent too much time imagining many parts of the movie being done "properly" in the big budget sense - so my appreciation is likely more for the skeleton or previz it provides for a potential remake. But right now the "Barbarian" genre isn't locking in with mainstream audiences (fingers crossed for Conan the King to come along and reverse that of course).

 

Anyway, is Jin Ro: Wolf Brigade worth a listing? I though it was amazing, but I know many people can't hack the slow pace. To follow on with Oshii's less popular works, there's a shortish piece he did back in the 80s called Angel's Egg. A completely arty thing, with Yoshitaka Amano on design. Worth catching if you're tolerant of (again) ball crushingly slow pacing and non-traditional storytelling.

 

 

Also remembered that Burton-esque/Stitchpunk movie called "9". I've never seen it myself. Leave the choice to others. There was that really odd movie called "The Secret Adventures of Tom Thumb" that actually had human beings mixed with stop motion puppets - I think they called it "pixelation" where using actual people as stop motion puppets. It's really rough around the edges and the puppets are ugly as sin, but it's definitely an achievement (IIRC the actors would be near vomiting by the end of a session of having to hold so still - they were all animators themselves also because the directors felt an animator already has the ability to break down actions into 12 - 24 fragments per second).

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post #180 of 182
5/31/12 at 4:44am
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Heheh. But I'd argue that's balanced by the really nice inter-cutting with Nekron on his throne in sort of trance state/magical throes controlling the advancing wall of ice (That guy really creeped me out when he'd go all eyes-turned-up and magicky - very Michael Ironside in Scanners). To be fair, I've probably spent too much time imagining many parts of the movie being done "properly" in the big budget sense - so my appreciation is likely more for the skeleton or previz it provides for a potential remake. But right now the "Barbarian" genre isn't locking in with mainstream audiences (fingers crossed for Conan the King to come along and reverse that of course

Wasnt Rodriguez talking about a live action adaptation at some point or did I dream that?
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post #181 of 182
5/31/12 at 6:55am

Nice to see some Bakshi love but his two best movies are missing....

 

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post #182 of 182
5/31/12 at 7:09am

Fuckballs - actually have this on the shelf right in front of me:

 

101. Wings of Honneamise/Royal Space Force (Hiroyuki Yamaga 1987)

 

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Alternate History version of The Right Stuff. Another moderately paced piece, but when the rocket finally launches it's beyond incredible - you believe it when it brings their escalating war to a sudden halt.

 

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Wasnt Rodriguez talking about a live action adaptation at some point or did I dream that?

 

Not sure, but as I'm sure it would have starred Plastic McWhatserface I'm glad he didn't. Whoever plays Teegra should be aaaaall natural.

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