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Almost all of these posts are from the past twenty years.  I suspect that part of this is the age of Chewers, but I don't think I have seen a single episode from the seventies up here. Was there a dearth of dramas from the 70s to late 80s? 

 

True but, then again, Marcus Welby MD doesn't strike quite as deeply as The Wire does.

 

Really, I just think that hourlongs were serving a different purpose than they do today. The tackling of serious drama & social issues were more or less left up to Norman Lear and MASH, weren't they?

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True but, then again, Marcus Welby MD doesn't strike quite as deeply as The Wire does.

 

Well, I guess that is what I am driving at.  Obviously the occupational dramas existed, the doctor/lawyer/police officer shows. I guess my question is what changed? You could have compelling drama in the sixties (Twilight Zone, etc) why the twenty year gap before you get compelling dramas again?

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Yeah, nothing against Sleeping in Light, but this is the B5 that belongs here (although I did think about throwing Babylon Squared and War Without End out there).

 

So hard to choose, but that's one I confidently setup as great as anything.  Key moment, ISN going dark.

 

Was there any great TV drama in the 70's?  I'm thinking no.  Before that we've got the Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, and solid playhouse features.

post #104 of 226

I have several older ideas for a "Best Comedy Eps Ever" thread ... I think part of it is that comedies were more likely to be syndicated. I have way more memories of Andy Griffith and Lucy reruns than I do, say, old episodes of Trapper John MD.

 

EDIT: Great older dramas include Playhouse 60, or 1981's Brideshead Revisited, but I unfortunately don't know a whole lot about either.

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Almost all of these posts are from the past twenty years.  I suspect that part of this is the age of Chewers, but I don't think I have seen a single episode from the seventies up here. Was there a dearth of dramas from the 70s to late 80s? 

 

My very first entry is THE PRISONER from 1968.  

 

Also, the 70's dramas were almost entirely rote police or medical shows.  The 70's are more of a golden age sitcom decade.  

post #106 of 226
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71. Hill Street Blues "Pilot" (1981)

 

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The birth of modern episodic TV drama as we know it. I'm hardly an expert on the hyper-realistic HSB but I do remember what a HUGE deal it's premiere was in 1981. It was appointment television from the get-go & it paved the way for risk-taking dramas like Miami Vice & Northern Exposure,

 

The key moment:

 

Two lead characters get shot in the episode's first 40 minutes.

post #107 of 226

A little annoyed nobody's put ANY animated television on here. I plan to remedy that.

 

72. Avatar: The Last Airbender-"Sozin's Comet"

The Legend of Korra looks like it might well equal or even surpass the original series, and I'm OK with that. But this series finale is the show at perhaps its absolute best. It shows just how much Bryan Konietzko and Mike DiMartino had their eye on the ball from the very beginning. Characters come together and make some surprising choices, a villain turns into a pitiable wreck before our very eyes, the action scenes are among the most visually spectacular on television, the writing is note-perfect, and the voice acting rivals that of any great live-action TV series.

 

Key moment: Zuko and Azula finally get their all-out, no-holds-barred battle for the throne.... and it's the saddest damn thing ever. The piece of music composed by The Track Team for the scene, "The Last Agni Kai", is agonizingly beautiful.

 

If this thread is still around when Korra at least finishes its first season, I'll probably add an episode from it as well.

post #108 of 226
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Was there any great TV drama in the 70's? 

 

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Police Story

 

Australian TV in the eighties was 90% re-runs from decades earlier.  I don't know how it holds up now but I caught a few episodes once as a kid that I never forgot.  I didn't know they could make TV like that at all.  I don't remember enough to put an episode in the list though.

They were all mostly disconnected stories, with occasional character overlap.  One ep I remember was entirely this rookie cop in in-service training, being put through his paces of trying not to shoot the wrong people etc (he 'kills' a lady carrying a black handkerchief at one point).  Later he and some others raid some old guy who threatened to shoot the mayor during a parade.  The guy kicks the gun out of the old man's hand rather than fire.  The gun was real but not loaded and the man announced his intention to kill them.  Technically the cop should have fired. In his counselling session afterwards I think he wonders if he can really be a cop if he won't shoot someone.

 Sometimes it'd be really low key stuff like a traffic cop attending a domestic of someone he knows and has a conflict of interest, sometimes proper murders  etc.  Pretty down to earth and innovative stuff.

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My very first entry is THE PRISONER from 1968.  

 

Also, the 70's dramas were almost entirely rote police or medical shows.  The 70's are more of a golden age sitcom decade.  

 

 

Which is why I said almost all. :D  

post #110 of 226
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A little annoyed nobody's put ANY animated television on here. I plan to remedy that.

Is there that much dramatic animated TV to choose from? A "Best Comedy Eps Ever" thread could have about 25 Simpsons episodes alone.

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The series I listed. Pretty much every DC animated cartoon from the last 20 years. Disney's Gargoyles. It's there if you look for it.

post #112 of 226

Well, and if we're allowed to put anime, Cowboy Bebop could qualify no question.

post #113 of 226
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Let's hold off on the anime for now. Maybe if the list gets extended to 200 it'll be ok. Maybe.

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I'm sure there are worthy episodes of shows like The Rockford Files or The Waltons or Columbo or even The Six Million Dollar Man.  But they just aren't as ingrained in us.

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There are some Justice League and Justice League Unlimited episodes that are pretty great.  But I think of that series as an action/adventure show, and less a drama.

post #116 of 226

Eh, why not action drama? There's nothing about action-adventure that's inherently un-dramatic.

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"Action Dramas" totally apply.

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Huzzah, then!

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Hate to go back to the Buffy well, but I walked through the room as my roomates (who are watching the series for the first time) were watching this masterful episode:

73. Buffy the Vampire Slayer S2E17: "Passion"

 

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If one was to pinpoint when Buffy moved from being a fun genre show to one of the most important dramatic shows of all time, it would be with the loss of Angel's soul and the emergence of the evil emergence. This arc produced four episodes that could certainly make this list ("Surprise", "Innocence", and "Becoming Parts 1 & 2"), but my personal favorite is "Passion". Joss Wheon has rightfully earned a reputation as a character killer; this episode was the beginnings of that hallmark. The death of Jenny Calendar, though, is so perfectly executed that I can see why he settled on the hallmark. The actual death is staged exquisitely; I have always loved the shot of Angel and Jenny framed by the dark window as he gleefully twists her neck. However, it is important because of its place in the seasonal arc. My roomate and I were talking before he got to this point in the episode, and he felt that, though David Boreanaz was giving a great portrayal and Angel was surely "evil", he felt that he hadn't come off as much more than a dickish ex-boyfriend. His murder of Jenny gave a palpable threat to Angelus that no other Buffy villian, in my opinion, ever matched.

 

I also have to give huge props to the effective application of voice-over monolauge in the episode. In general, I tend to agree with the sentiment that voice-over is a lazy crutch writers use to evince internal though without having to go through the trouble of externalizing it visually. No such problem exists in "Passion"; the voice-over just enhances the excellent visual composition of the episode. Angelus watching through the window as Buffy and Willow break down in response to the news that Jenny has died is a powerful scene. Here is the man who has been a part of Buffy's life since "Welcome to the Hellmouth", and now he watches her through the window as he tortures her. Powerful stuff, and Angelus's ruminitions on the power of passion (given gravitas by Boreanaz's excellent line reading) only add to the scene.

Key Moment: Giles returning home to find Jenny's corpse. As great as Boreanaz is in this episode - and he really is, it is no coincedince that it was this episode that earned him his own spin-off - Anthony Stewart Head was on another level. His smile as he picks up the bottle of champagne quickly turns to horror as he sees the lifeless body. Once can see almost moment by moment the excietement turning to dread turning to horror. The match cut of Giles horrified face staring at the corpse to him staring off into space as the police make their way through his apartment is the perfect capper. As horrible as Angelus's deed is, it is the "wrapping of the gift" (as Xander puts it) that really puts into sharp relief just how dangerous Angel has truly become.

post #120 of 226

Animated shows definitely qualify.  So then there's just the issue that plenty of the shows represented have literally 50+ episodes that are better pieces of dramatic television than the best episode of Gargoyles or Justice League.

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Oh, that episode destroyed me. I practically shouted "Kick his fucking ass!" when Giles brought out the flaming baseball bat come climax time.

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Animated shows definitely qualify.  So then there's just the issue that plenty of the shows represented have literally 50+ episodes that are better pieces of dramatic television than the best episode of Gargoyles or Justice League.

 

Um, OK, if you feel that way. I find that the best episodes of, say, Batman: The Animated Series or Avatar certainly qualify as equals to live-action dramatic shows. I just judge each show on their own merits without trying to compare to other, completely unrelated shows.

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Um, OK, if you feel that way. I find that the best episodes of, say, Batman: The Animated Series or Avatar certainly qualify as equals to live-action dramatic shows. I just judge each show on their own merits without trying to compare to other, completely unrelated shows.

 

Such is the premise of thread.

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Um, OK, if you feel that way. I find that the best episodes of, say, Batman: The Animated Series or Avatar certainly qualify as equals to live-action dramatic shows. I just judge each show on their own merits without trying to compare to other, completely unrelated shows.

 

 

Word.

 

There are several episodes of Cowboy Bebop which belong on this list and which I will be along later to bring the thunder on.

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Such is the premise of thread.

 

Yeah, I get that, but then you're all "Well, these shows have MORE great episodes". I'm getting mixed signals.

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74. Twin Peaks Season 1, Episode 1: Pilot (April 8, 1990)

 

She's dead! Wrapped in plastic!

 

Equally horrific, hilarious, powerful, and quirky, this is my favorite pilot of all time for, coincidentally, my favorite TV show of all time. Beautifully establishes the spirit of the series and bleeds atmosphere, with David Lynch's signature style transcending the quality of anything I, if not everyone, have ever seen on TV before it.

 

I should note I'm 24 and only discovered the show as a teenager who'd idolized Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive, but it speaks waves that it affected me the same way I assume it affected others years after. I recently saw this and the first two episodes in a TV class a few months back during my last semester and it felt strange being the only one who seemed to "get" it and laugh at all the right moments and fear the right ones.

 

It should also be hereon said that Kyle MacLachlan deserves legend status as Dale Cooper, FBI agent and lover of a damn fine cup of coffee.

 


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That needs to be 74, Hunter.

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Yeah, I get that, but then you're all "Well, these shows have MORE great episodes". I'm getting mixed signals.

 

Here's the rub: in this list, let's add some Justified before dipping into Justice League. Save the cartoon stuff for a new list.

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OK, that way we can put comedy and drama, action, etc. in it then? Sounds fine to me, though it'd be nice to keep Sozin's Comet on this list.

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I'm going to argue that, in general, animated shows cannot be as dramatic, or moving, as a live action show, because they lose the nuance that an actual human actor, on screen, will bring to a role.

 

And this is coming from a guy who just nominated a season of The Venture Brothers for 'best season of TV ever.'

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I'm going to argue that, in general, animated shows cannot be as dramatic, or moving, as a live action show, because they lose the nuance that an actual human actor, on screen, will bring to a role.

 

And this is coming from a guy who just nominated a season of The Venture Brothers for 'best season of TV ever.'

 

I'm going to call "bullshit". If animated films can be as dramatic or moving as live action movies, then so can TV. And voice acting is a more difficult job than most people realize, ESPECIALLY TV.

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75. Lost: "Walkabout" Season 1 Episode 4:

 

Aside from one of the best pilot episodes ever, this to me is one of the strongest episodes of season 1 and coincidently the first episode that I caught.   Several seasons in, after all the stuff John Locke does, this episode is strong enough for a lifetime pass for his character.

 

Memorable Moment?   The twist ending and a real opening up of the mysteries the island presents.....

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"

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If animated films can be as dramatic or moving as live action movies, then so can TV.

It can, but I'm not sure it has.

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Have you people not fucking seen Batman: The Animated Series? "Heart of Ice". "Two-Face." "Joker's Favor." "Feat of Clay Part II." "Beware The Gray Ghost". "Mad As A Hatter." "Perchance to Dream."

 

I could go on. That's from ONE show.

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75. Lost: "Walkabout" Season 1 Episode 4:

 

Aside from one of the best pilot episodes ever, this to me is one of the strongest episodes of season 1 and coincidently the first episode that I caught.   Several seasons in, after all the stuff John Locke does, this episode is strong enough for a lifetime pass for his character.

 

Memorable Moment?   The twist ending and a real opening up of the mysteries the island presents.....

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"

Damn, basically said exactly what I had thought of saying. I understand why people felt a bad taste left in their mouths by Lost (a sentiment I did not share), but no one can argue with the brilliance of an episode like "Walkabout".

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76.  Alias "The Superbowl Episode":

 

This episode aired during the mid point of the second season and to say it was big is a huge understatement.   We are talking big as in "I didn't think we'd see this until the series finale" big.   While the show chugs on after this and is still entertaining, it never reaches this level again.   Also?  The. Best. Use. of. ACDC. EVER......

 

 

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Damn, basically said exactly what I had thought of saying. I understand why people felt a bad taste left in their mouths by Lost (a sentiment I did not share), but no one can argue with the brilliance of an episode like "Walkabout".

 

 

Agree, I'm one of the people that grew to hate LOST.  But the first seven episodes are unassailably great.

 

Is there a place we can take the animation vs. live action discussion?  I don't want to derail this.

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So, I took the challenge (Justified is my favorite show currently on TV), but even after running through the episodes, I'm going to let another person take that bullet.  Justified is so solid, week in and week out, that it is hard to pick an episode that encapsulates it or acts as a high point.  But it manages, week to week, to be consistently exceptional.  Any (or all) of the three seasons could make the other list being processed right now.  If I had to pick a full on show, this would be near the top of my list.

 

I almost went with "Long in the Tooth", the fourth episode of the first season, which may seem like an odd choice.  But that was the episode that made it clear that this show was a lot more than I thought it would be, and I was amazed it came so early in the run.  So I am NOT going to add that particular episode (but I did want to mention it), and someone better than me will pick the right episode or two of Justified.

post #139 of 226

We can give 'best animated episodes' their own thread, although we'd probably have to put a limit on the amount of Simpsons or Futurama episodes allowed.

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Yeah, I get that, but then you're all "Well, these shows have MORE great episodes". I'm getting mixed signals.

 

I'm not saying that they are inferior because they are animated, just that as good as "Heart of Ice" is, I couldn't honestly say that it is a superior episode of dramatic television to any single hour of The Wire, or Breaking Bad or Deadwood.  And then there's 50 each of BSG and The Shield and The Sopranos and Buffy I would put ahead of it, and 20 Justifieds and Losts and Homicides and West Wings and Games of Thrones and Mad Mens, to say nothing of the scattered greatness from all kinds of other, less consistent shows.  Taking the thread topic literally, I wouldn't put "Heart of Ice" anywhere near the top 100.

 

On the one hand, it would be sort of pointless to make a list that was just every episode of The Wire and I see the point of including animation at least nominally in the name of diversity.  On the other, an episode could be in the top 1% of the best drama ever aired on television, and still be 950 places from belonging on this list.  I don't mean to single you (or animated TV) out, since I have nothing against either, and I don't think half of the episodes named belong anywhere near such a list.  And I don't want to hector anyone about something as subjective as personal taste, but a thread like this is supposed to at least aspire to some sort of objectivity and it becomes hard to suppress incredulity when I see three episodes each of Bablyon 5 and Star Trek TNG to a single Deadwood.

post #141 of 226

OK, I got it. We'll just give animation its own list, then.

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Have you people not fucking seen Batman: The Animated Series? "Heart of Ice". "Two-Face." "Joker's Favor." "Feat of Clay Part II." "Beware The Gray Ghost". "Mad As A Hatter." "Perchance to Dream."

 

I could go on. That's from ONE show.

 

I'm starting to wonder if you have ever seen a decent live action drama series.

 

But by all means, if anyone really thinks that an episode of Cowboy Bebop (which I could never get into) is really one of the best installments of televised drama EVER, go ahead.  Maybe I could be convinced to give it another shot.

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Have you people not fucking seen Batman: The Animated Series? "Heart of Ice". "Two-Face." "Joker's Favor." "Feat of Clay Part II." "Beware The Gray Ghost". "Mad As A Hatter." "Perchance to Dream."

 

I could go on. That's from ONE show.

 

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I'm sure there are worthy episodes of shows like The Rockford Files or The Waltons or Columbo or even The Six Million Dollar Man.  But they just aren't as ingrained in us.

 

Don't dare me to list the Fembot episode of THE BIONIC WOMAN.  Because I might!

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77. Dexter Season 4, Episode 9: Hungry Man (November 22, 2009)

 

The Trinity Killer's season-long arc unraveling from unhinged split personality to full-fledged madman finally hits the boiling point when Dexter, still assuming the identity of Kyle Butler, pays the Mitchell family a visit for Thanksgiving.

 

 

Endlessly quotable and heart-stoppingly suspenseful, this is the apex of John Lithgow's deliriously evil performance, a theatrical-level job that rivals Heath Ledger's Joker and Javier Bardem as Anton Chigurh as one of the most memorable villains of the past decade, and for an actor who has a slew of villainous roles under his belt, makes every one of those roles from Ricochet to Buckaroo Banzai look like a pussy.

 

"No one said they were thankful for me!"

 

"I'm so thankful for you Arthur----"

 

SHUT UP, CUNT.

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 it becomes hard to suppress incredulity when I see three episodes each of Bablyon 5 and Star Trek TNG to a single Deadwood.

 

Many people take a slice of pizza and wait to see what everyone else in the room does. Some folks can't help themselves and load up.

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77. Dexter Season 4, Episode 9: Hungry Man (November 22, 2009)

 

Excellent. I'd been trying to figure out which Dexter episode should make the list. You chose wisely.

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I'm starting to wonder if you have ever seen a decent live action drama series.

 

But by all means, if anyone really thinks that an episode of Cowboy Bebop (which I could never get into) is really one of the best installments of televised drama EVER, go ahead.  Maybe I could be convinced to give it another shot.

 

I'm just listing examples of great episodes from that show. I'm a big Deadwood fan, if you're curious.

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78. Game of Thrones, S1E9, "Baelor"

 

Another very recent episode, but come on. Great from start to finish, culminating in ... THAT scene, which is edited and directed perfectly. It also contains the drinking scenes between Tyrion, Shae and Bronn which helped land Dinklage the Emmy. Bonus points for being the inspiration for this:

 

 

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An episode as heartbreaking as "Blackwater" was thrilling.

 

EDIT: I'm finding it really difficult to choose between the best Sopranos/Deadwood/Wire episodes, in part because there are so many worthy of inclusion.

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79.  The Sopranos, (Season 3, Ep 4) -  Employee of the Month (2001)

 

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Inarguably, the one truly pivotal Dr. Melfi episode of The Sopranos where the only real moral character on the show stands on the precipice of vengeance and decides to hold back.  

 

Without any warning or preamble, Dr. Melfi is brutally raped in her own parking garage.  Through legal loopholes, the rapist gets off free, but Melfi finds out where he works.  By now her relationship with Tony is such that she knows that she could have that rapist snuffed out with one word.  She wrestles with that decision throughout the episode and in the powerful last scene, she declines to take the "easy" revenge route.  Lorraine Bracco kills it in this episode, for which I really thought she deserved an Emmy.   It's a really hard episode to watch (it seriously has one of the most upsetting scenes on a series full of them), but a stellar installment.  

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