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post #1151 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Jesus Christ this movie wasn't that hard.  Dude with a beard and mohawk falls into black goo, burning his face (acid face), and evolving him into a killing machine, so when you see him again (note the shatteres face plate, beard, and burn scars on his face) squatting (very similar to a xeno in Alien) killing everyone, how can you think it would be anyone else?  Dude with the ashy gray face, asking to be torched, is Holloway, the guy that David infected by dipping some goo in his drink.  I am stumped by people who found this confusing.


With all the space/environment suits looking the same, I can see how there could be confusion.

Also, you never see what happens to Holloway's body, so....

post #1152 of 1957

http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-lingering-prometheus-questions-answered

 

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Lindelof: I do think that there are a lot of tips of the cap in Prometheus to all of those movies and I think it's so easy to sit back and rag on mistakes made or wrong paths turned down. But at the end of the day, every single one of those movies I feel had good things in them and an articulation of fondness. All I'll say in response to your question is, nothing is an accident in Prometheus. Every single decision that is made by Ridley Scott is made for a very specific reason and purpose.

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Well then.  That makes this clear, Ridley gets the blame here for the shoddy storytelling and cheap characters. 

 

I've come to terms with David and his motivations and I can explain/understand them.  But the others, ugh.  I just don't know which one makes me more upset.  Was it that stupid biologist who wants to play patty cake with a hissing alien snake?  Was it Vickers' pointless death?  Was it humanity's smartest and most successful human in 100 years waking up a 2,000 year old sleeping 10 foot alien and then threatening him with demands of immortality before the dude can even have a coffee?  I don't blame the Engineers, I'd want to kill talking monkeys who woke me up and threw a robot in my face too. 

post #1153 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Jesus Christ this movie wasn't that hard.  Dude with a beard and mohawk falls into black goo, burning his face (acid face), and evolving him into a killing machine, so when you see him again (note the shatteres face plate, beard, and burn scars on his face) squatting (very similar to a xeno in Alien) killing everyone, how can you think it would be anyone else?  Dude with the ashy gray face, asking to be torched, is Holloway, the guy that David infected by dipping some goo in his drink.  I am stumped by people who found this confusing.

 

In space no-one can hear you be as awesome as you...

post #1154 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Jesus Christ this movie wasn't that hard.  Dude with a beard and mohawk falls into black goo, burning his face (acid face), and evolving him into a killing machine, so when you see him again (note the shatteres face plate, beard, and burn scars on his face) squatting (very similar to a xeno in Alien) killing everyone, how can you think it would be anyone else?  Dude with the ashy gray face, asking to be torched, is Holloway, the guy that David infected by dipping some goo in his drink.  I am stumped by people who found this confusing.

 

I thought penis cobra's blood burned asshole geologist's face.

post #1155 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Jesus Christ this movie wasn't that hard.  Dude with a beard and mohawk falls into black goo, burning his face (acid face), and evolving him into a killing machine, so when you see him again (note the shatteres face plate, beard, and burn scars on his face) squatting (very similar to a xeno in Alien) killing everyone, how can you think it would be anyone else?  Dude with the ashy gray face, asking to be torched, is Holloway, the guy that David infected by dipping some goo in his drink.  I am stumped by people who found this confusing.

 

On top of all that, WHY CAN'T WE UNDERSTAND HIS BANE VOICE?!

post #1156 of 1957

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David: "How about we drink a toast?  Something like, 'here's squid...er, mud in your eye'..."

 

Holloway:  "Eh...what? "

post #1157 of 1957
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post

Well then.  That makes this clear, Ridley gets the blame here for the shoddy storytelling and cheap characters. 

 

I think people have been a bit unfair to Lindelof, but blame has to be spread equally. Even if the entire order of events was Ridley's idea, it was still Lindelof's job to realise that certain characters aren't fully fleshed out and add some dialogue that makes them a feel bit more 3 dimensional. That's not to mention that he clearly had a bigger hand in this since some of his pet themes are so prevalent. For example, I doubt Shaw's out-of-place insistence on remaining religious was anyone but his idea.

post #1158 of 1957
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post

I thought penis cobra's blood burned asshole geologist's face.

 

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post #1159 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Jesus Christ this movie wasn't that hard.  Dude with a beard and mohawk falls into black goo, burning his face (acid face), and evolving him into a killing machine, so when you see him again (note the shatteres face plate, beard, and burn scars on his face) squatting (very similar to a xeno in Alien) killing everyone, how can you think it would be anyone else?  Dude with the ashy gray face, asking to be torched, is Holloway, the guy that David infected by dipping some goo in his drink.  I am stumped by people who found this confusing.

Yea you can piss right off with that high and mighty, sensitive shit. I wasn't being a prick. As someone mentioned the suits look the same. Plus the characters suck. I saw holloway get burned there and then I don't see him again. Considering the acid dude was way off in the structure last I saw him AND acid still BURNS, it didnt seem unreasonable to just accept it as holloway. Sorry for the harsh reply.
post #1160 of 1957

who got their face burned again?

 

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post #1161 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Monster Pete View Post

who got their face burned again?

 

Drake.

post #1162 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

 

Drake.

 

I thought it was Christy.

 

Fuck these movies are confusing.

post #1163 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

I think people have been a bit unfair to Lindelof, but blame has to be spread equally. Even if the entire order of events was Ridley's idea, it was still Lindelof's job to realise that certain characters aren't fully fleshed out and add some dialogue that makes them a feel bit more 3 dimensional. That's not to mention that he clearly had a bigger hand in this since some of his pet themes are so prevalent. For example, I doubt Shaw's out-of-place insistence on remaining religious was anyone but his idea.

 

The wacko family dynamic between Weyland, Vickers, and David feels like a very Lindelof idea as well, and I wish there was more of it.  Like just about every other 'big idea' in Prometheus, its way undercooked and serves no real purpose.  Lindelof is simply better suited for television, where he can toss these kind of concepts out into the open, get a feel for what works and what doesn't, and build on them over time.  He tosses plenty of interesting concepts into Prometheus, but he lacks the focus to make them resonate in any meaningful way. 

post #1164 of 1957

"undercooked" is a good description of the the film....plenty of appetizing ingredients and a good chef but the recipe was too vague.

post #1165 of 1957
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My guess...showing that the black goo hyper-evolves whatever creature it comes in contact with into a living weapon.  Worm turns into killer penis snake.  Man turns into killer yoga zombie killing everything it sees.  It happened a bit quicker that the scientist who only had a small amount in his water, but it was enough to already mess with his sperms DNA, seeing as how he helped create a four tailed killer sperm squid eventual giant face hugger.

 

So then why did it turn the Engineer in the beginning into Darwin frosting as opposed to a "living weapon"? 

post #1166 of 1957

http://www.chud.com/96896/prometheus-mysteries-continue-what-is-10-11-12/

 

Gotta be the home video release date, right?

post #1167 of 1957

Clearly, the numbers represent previously unrecorded data on the Bristol Stool Chart that serve as a direct correlation to Prometheus's script.

post #1168 of 1957

You can use a type 12 stool to destroy vibranium.

 

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post #1169 of 1957
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Originally Posted by smugbug View Post

Aw, crap.  Right.  There's the whole Holloway being burned by Vickers.  

 

 

Yes, there's that.  So, then it's this:   Acid Face/Yoga Zombi/Dude with Mohawk and Asshole Geologist = Same Guy ;)   

 

And then, there's this:  Burn Victim/Scientist Boyfriend/Dude with Squid in Eye = Holloway

 

Drunk guy/ Pasty-face/ Human Torch/ Squid-daddy = Holloway 

post #1170 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Engineer View Post

 

Holy shit, this makes me desperately want a Prometheus Pop-Up book!

post #1171 of 1957

 

"Is it alien cum?"

 

"Is he an expert in things that have never ever happened?"

 

"What if the mission involved a gang bang?"

 

"Did he leave his wallet in there?"


Edited by Whiteboy Jones - 6/12/12 at 11:55am
post #1172 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Jackson View Post

 

Holy shit, this makes me desperately want a Prometheus Pop-Up book!

 

Like some sort of Wes Anderson cartoon version of the film!

post #1173 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Whiteboy Jones View Post

 

"Is it alien cum?"

 

"Is he an expert in things that have never ever happend?"

 

"What if the mission involved a gang bang?"

 

"Did he leave his wallet in there?"

 

Dang you beat me to it.  Was just about to link that.  Nice one.  :)

Their Half in the Bag review's fun, too.  

post #1174 of 1957
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

http://www.chud.com/96896/prometheus-mysteries-continue-what-is-10-11-12/

 

Gotta be the home video release date, right?

 

It's on a Thursday. I've heard the Blu hits 2 days prior to that. My guess? Extended Cut footage at the NY Comic Con.

post #1175 of 1957

I don't get this talk about how those who aren't enraged over the movie must be 'papering over the cracks' or denying it has flaws. Everyone knows the movie has flaws.

 

Here's the thing: for me at least, watching a movie is not like grading an essay according to standardised criteria. I'm not a fan of this popular trend in internet criticism of single-mindedly deconstructing the nuts and bolts of a screenplay's construction as if that's the be all and end all of cinema. A movie with a structurally flawless screenplay that runs like clockwork is not automatically more inspiring than a movie made up of ragged odds and ends stuck together with spit and toothpaste.

 

Blade Runner, a movie constantly being held up as an example of what Scott was once capable of, is in many ways a pretty wonky, limp screenplay. There are major logic holes and contradictions, and the idea of Deckard being a replicant demands the audience do a hell of a lot of mental legwork and fill in a lot of blanks in order for it to make even a lick of sense. However for most people the things about Blade Runner that are exceptional overshadow the fact some aspects of it are less than watertight.

 

Just for the hell of it I'm gonna repost the entirety of agracru's big fat post from a few pages back, just cos I thought it got a bit overlooked and is a rare post here that actually engages with the movie on more than a "here's why this bit is objectively shit!" level:

 

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If I respond in the affirmative to these questions, does that mean I lose street cred as a film writer? I'm sure you don't mean to sound like you're lying in wait with incredulity, but there's something about this line of questioning that sounds preemptively accusatory. Again, I doubt that that's your intention.

 

Suffice it to say, yes, I disagree with you. Prometheus didn't bore me. It kept me in suspense from start to finish, sans maybe one or two bumps along the road where it became too overtly hackish for me to keep my disbelief suspended. Suspension of disbelief is a two-way street; we have to be willing to do our part and the filmmaker has to be able to make it easier for us to hold up our end of the bargain. They have to suck us in. Prometheus sucked me in. It kept me engrossed. Shit, Milburn and Fifield were acting like total dumbfucks and I still felt nothing but gripped by the snake attack scene. Dallas was kind of a giant dink for climbing into an air duct with a shitty flamethrower to kill the monster in the first Alien film; arguably he had no idea what he was up against, but then, neither did Fifield and Milburn. Regardless, poor decisions don't make something less gripping by default.

 

I think the cast is primarily composed of static characters; few of them actually end up in a different place at the end than at the beginning (well, okay, they're all dead, but mostly they don't change as characters). Shaw, I think, is in a different place, and she certainly undergoes change. She remains a person of faith and conviction, but now I don't think she's out for truth and answers because she's curious; she wants to know "why" because the first time she asked, everyone she knew got fucking killed. When she and David fly out of LV-223, she's seeking closure and maybe a measure of justice. Now she's asking "why do you want to kill us" instead of "why did you create us". I'd say Janek undergoes a change, but I feel like his arc is undersold. Holloway remains fairly static. David, arguably, changes more than the rest of them just because Weyland dies and can no longer order him around; Weyland's death gives David the "free will" to assist Shaw.

 

I think the Zombie Attack looks fine-- I understand the geography well, I get what's going in each shot-- but it's silly. That doesn't stop it from being effective in a vacuum, but it's strange outside of itself. I wish I knew more about the black ooze before going into that scene, or, barring that, I kind of wish it had been more grounded. Fifield lumbering around causing mayhem works better than Fifield leaping around like a frigging vampire. I think the ship crash looked really great, though I think crushing Vickers is just flat-out stupid when Shaw, faced with the same death, just rolls left 5 feet. That made me roll my eyes. But again, in terms of geography, I didn't notice anything in the ship crash that looked out of sorts and the effects looked fine.

 

Thematically, this is again a movie about company avarice putting working men and women in danger for the personal gain of a few, but less so. (Which I think is a mistake that would have been rectified had the film been excised of the stupid Weyland twist.) More than anything it's a movie about creation and why we create. As I've said before, creation is all over the place here. First, there's the obvious bit about humans trying to meet their makers and understand why they made us in the first place. Then there's Shaw, whose inability to create arguably necessitates her having a conversation with beings who can create so as to understand the act of creation in the first place. Then there's David, whose purpose is questioned by Holloway (quite callously) at several junctures. I honestly think David's existence is key to understanding why the Engineers created humans, but again, that whole thing is undercooked just by virtue of Weyland having so little presence in the movie except for when the script calls for it.

 

There are two reasons for David to exist. One, purpose. He's a machine, he serves specific functions, monitoring the crew as they sleep and performing those "distressing" tasks humans (read: Weyland) either cannot physically do themselves or will not do themselves out of ethical concerns. (Though I honestly think having Weyland infect Holloway would have been more satisfying dramatically than having David do it instead. Still, it works, considering especially how antagonistic the two are with one another.) David does that and so much more; he's a super computer who happens to look like Michael Fassbender. You figure it out. (Coincidentally, "function" comes up again in the film with things like Fifield's "pups", the orbs that detect life in the temple/ships. They exist for a specific purpose, too. Someone created them for a task just like the one they perform in the film.)

 

The other reason is legacy. Clearly Weyland thinks little and less of Vickers as a child; she can do what he does but he doesn't really much care for her. I think David is more his legacy, serving as his foster son; David will out-live Vickers and carry on the Weyland name far, far longer than she. So David represents Weyland's stamp on the world in a way Vickers cannot. And if you take those two things-- function and legacy-- and put them together, you can start to wonder as to why the Engineers may have created us.

 

I wish this had been explored a bit more in the film, but to a degree I'm okay with it being open-ended. I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY think that Weyland's movement in the film fucks all of this up. If it's not clear that I think the Weyland character is a massive, film-marring fuck-up, then I don't know how else to convey that. He should have been a character in the movie, not a script convention. Weyland being alive from start to, well, his death in the last act would have lent itself to the further development of the human creative drive, it would have eliminated the need to have the red herring "male calibrated" surgical equipment, it would have let the tension between Vickers and David play out with superior drama, and it generally would have made the whole film a richer experience. Why do the Engineers create? Look at Weyland and think about it. Unfortunately it's hard to say that with Weyland being such a non-presence in the film.

 

Here's my final take on Prometheus. It's a great cinematic experience, a movie that can hold people in its thrall from start to finish because Scott-- for everything he did wrong here-- is an outstanding storyteller. Under a harsh light, or even a soft light, Prometheus has a ton of flaws that will keep it from being anything more than a technical achievement in the future; he's not made an Alien or Blade Runner here. There are a ton of mistakes here, and frustratingly most of them could have been fixed on the script level, so I wish he'd been a bit more judicious about reading and processing the drafts put before him. None of that stops the movie from working as you're watching it, because he's a master, but it doesn't hold up well to criticism outside of itself. I like it, I think it's good, but I think it's just "good" and not "outstanding", which is where it really should have been. (And where it easily could have been.)

 

I'd say most of the stuff in bold is a reasonable extrapolation from the text, and though these ideas could certainly have been explored in more depth I don't think it's a great flaw of the movie that it's inviting you to draw your own conclusions from the many parallels that are being drawn. They're not uninteresting ideas.

 

And as has been pointed out many times, though the connective tissue is often either weak or feels oddly truncated (I really am quite interested to see what an extended cut might add to this) the individual set pieces are generally solid and sometimes excellent. The atmosphere and sense of place is generally sound, the sense of discovery involving (on first unspoiled watch at least) and the action and horror sequences are rarely less than entertaining. And needless to say it looks astounding.

 

So with all this in mind, is it really that hard to understand why some people might find this movie fairly enjoyable despite some significant flaws?


Edited by Paul C - 6/12/12 at 12:51pm
post #1176 of 1957
If I'm honest I didn't read your huge-ass post but if you could just boil it down into a single sentence as to why it's ok for a world renowned and industry revered director to wait 30 years only to coil out a length of shit with a limp story, gaping plot holes and ridiculous characters that would be great.

Ah, I'm only joking with you.

It's because it's Rildey Scott right?
post #1177 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

So with all this in mind, is it really that hard to understand why some people might find this movie fairly enjoyable despite some significant flaws?

 

Not being someone who's particularly good or nimble at deconstructing or analyzing a film as it's playing, I completely understand enjoying the film (for the most part) when it's playing in front of you.

 

What I don't get is really digging the film after you've had a chance to digest it and think about it, especially in light of the very valid criticisms the film as shot that have surfaced. The film's plot and characterizations are so broken as to not hold up to any kind of scrutiny. It's not one or two small holes or inconsistencies; it's an entire film's worth of logic and writing problems. Many of these are especially egregious considering the experience and skill Scott brings with him. Two of the many examples are Vickers' death and the behavior of the biologist and geologist. It's dumb, lazy filmmaking that misserves a film that wants to be about big, smart questions and ideas. 

 

None of that is my saying you're dumb for liking the film. I don't think that (heaven knows my own tastes are eclectic and subjective enough). And I actually understand saying "The film gets a pass for being a visual feast." I don't think a convincing argument can be made for the script being actually smart or well done, though.

post #1178 of 1957

Honestly no matter how much stuff I read about it I can't bring myself to care much about Vickers' death and the biologist stuff, they're just two examples of people doing dumb shit in a genre movie. Yes they're examples of a general trend of uninspired writing on a scene-by-scene basis, but I don't class them alongside the more fundamental criticisms. The broad strokes of the story I don't find particularly incoherent, just overly vague.

post #1179 of 1957

I keep going back and forth on the black ooze: at first I didn't have a problem with what exactly it IS or what exactly it DOES being vague, but I must admit it would've made the movie a lot better if there was some kind of rules established as to why it did what it did and what it's purpose was for. It turns some people into rage zombies, worms into giant snakes (is that even confirmed? I just remember the close of up of maggots and assumed they became the snakes...which, now that I think about it, wait, this alien world had MAGGOTS? Not even space maggots?) giant tentacle face huggers etc etc etc....if I knew the RULES...if characters actually bothered to find OUT the rules...I mean, these are scientists here, and the everyman pilot somehow figures it all out? 

post #1180 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Here's the thing: for me at least, watching a movie is not like grading an essay according to standardised criteria. I'm not a fan of this popular trend in internet criticism of single-mindedly deconstructing the nuts and bolts of a screenplay's construction as if that's the be all and end all of cinema. A movie with a structurally flawless screenplay that runs like clockwork is not automatically more inspiring than a movie made up of ragged odds and ends stuck together with spit and toothpaste.

 

Here's the thing though:  it wasn't like I had to dissect this film down to the minutest detail to find the problems with it.  They jumped out at me as I was watching it.  They're right there in front of you, pretty much from the moment the crew of the Prometheus wakes up.  So the criticisms aren't obsessive nitpicking in the slightest.

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Honestly no matter how much stuff I read about it I can't bring myself to care much about Vickers' death and the biologist stuff, they're just two examples of people doing dumb shit in a genre movie.

 

We expected a little more from a Ridley Scott sci-fi film than just "a genre movie" rife with the conventions of same.

post #1181 of 1957

Ah, yes, now we've arrived at "it's just a genre movie." Because we're all just a bunch of silly gooses for wanting the story to make sense and posses some sort of thematic follow through.

post #1182 of 1957

If they had kept the Fifield and Milburn get high scene, then it'd become a "stoner movie" and all the problems would be solved.

post #1183 of 1957
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I keep going back and forth on the black ooze: at first I didn't have a problem with what exactly it IS or what exactly it DOES being vague, but I must admit it would've made the movie a lot better if there was some kind of rules established as to why it did what it did and what it's purpose was for. It turns some people into rage zombies, worms into giant snakes (is that even confirmed? I just remember the close of up of maggots and assumed they became the snakes...which, now that I think about it, wait, this alien world had MAGGOTS? Not even space maggots?) giant tentacle face huggers etc etc etc....if I knew the RULES...if characters actually bothered to find OUT the rules...I mean, these are scientists here, and the everyman pilot somehow figures it all out? 

 

All the answers to this await you at Cephalapod Station, on LV-420. Except they'll only lead to more questions, and then the Smoke Monster kills you.

post #1184 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post

I keep going back and forth on the black ooze: at first I didn't have a problem with what exactly it IS or what exactly it DOES being vague, but I must admit it would've made the movie a lot better if there was some kind of rules established as to why it did what it did and what it's purpose was for. It turns some people into rage zombies, worms into giant snakes (is that even confirmed? I just remember the close of up of maggots and assumed they became the snakes...which, now that I think about it, wait, this alien world had MAGGOTS? Not even space maggots?) giant tentacle face huggers etc etc etc....if I knew the RULES...if characters actually bothered to find OUT the rules...I mean, these are scientists here, and the everyman pilot somehow figures it all out? 


I kind of like the idea that the black oil/ooze is somehow extracted from aliens and used to manipulate dna. The mural shows engineers with facehuggers on their faces, so maybe they're sacrificed in order to breed more aliens and get more of the black stuff. Maybe the engineers learn to alter their own dna using black oil so they can grow biomechanical suits and make other "improvements".

post #1185 of 1957

I liked that concept.  The idea that these creatures that use biomechanoid monsters as weapons would use advanced science to evolve and perfect themselves.  Kind of a Bioshocky concept.  There's an idea!  Humanity finds the Space Jockey version of Rapture, where shit has gone nuts.  Mutated Jockey's are running around harvesting black goop, Xenomorphs have broken free and are killing everything...

post #1186 of 1957
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Ah, yes, now we've arrived at "it's just a genre movie." Because we're all just a bunch of silly gooses for wanting the story to make sense and posses some sort of thematic follow through.


Dont call us silly gooses! Call us assholes like a normal chewer!

post #1187 of 1957

Maybe the "engineers" aren't the real initial/causal engineers and are, in fact, created by another alien species for the purpose of planet terraforming and each additional prequel-sequel has us visiting the creators of the creators of the creators, and each step has us adding on a new alien to the cast.

 

;P

post #1188 of 1957
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Honestly no matter how much stuff I read about it I can't bring myself to care much about Vickers' death and the biologist stuff, they're just two examples of people doing dumb shit in a genre movie. Yes they're examples of a general trend of uninspired writing on a scene-by-scene basis, but I don't class them alongside the more fundamental criticisms. The broad strokes of the story I don't find particularly incoherent, just overly vague.

 

The problem with this argument is we aren't discussing Megaroach vs Octomoth or some other SYFY original crap (which I totally love on a Roger Corman is cool level).  We are talking about a film by Ridley Scott which he has been hyping the shit out of as his magnum opus,  a cerebral tour de force set in a much loved existing scifi universe.

 

And before some a-hole says AVP was set in that universe too, why don't you shit on that?  My answer?  Ridley Fucking Scott didn't direct AVP.  He directed Prometheus, I hold this film to a higher standard.

 

That's why the argument of "Oh, it's just Scifi, it's ok if it's stoopid" just doesn't fly.  That argument is even more lazy than this movie's script writing.

post #1189 of 1957

watching cartoons with my son, and I think Invader Zim has a better plan  for destroying the earth then those pesky Space Jockeys.

post #1190 of 1957

This thread moves a bit fast.  Anyone post this yet?  My brother linked me to it.  Good chuckle!

 

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post #1191 of 1957

Guys, you're coming at this from the wrong perspective...stop using your own...use Ridley Scott's...

Sir Scott, in effect, has given the most glorious and expensive 'FUCK YOU!' to 20th Century Fox in general, and Tom Rothman in particular...

 

'Kingdom of Heaven' must STILL sting...

 

...and if THIS is the case, I don't MIND being collateral damage...

 

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post #1192 of 1957
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Sir Scott, in effect, has given the most glorious and expensive 'FUCK YOU!' to 20th Century Fox in general, and Tom Rothman in particular...

 

Now saying that to Fox is a plan I could normally get behind.  But how does our giving Fox up to $17.50 of our own money, each, for what we hope is a good film and being given what we got (a visually sumptuous but narratively barren film experience) anything more than them saying "Fuck You!" to us?  If your theory is correct then next time, Ridley my son, let me in on the plan.  I can say "Fuck You, Tom Rothman" myself for free


Edited by Engineer - 6/12/12 at 4:03pm
post #1193 of 1957

...sacrifices have to be made.

post #1194 of 1957

another io9 piece...

 

10 Things You Didn’t Know About the Making of Prometheus

 

 

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1. The creatures could have been much more monstrous.
Carlos Huante says he came up with some primitive, scary creatures, based on the real-life goblin shark.

 

 

 

(the video posted over there has a stupid sndtrk attached to it....this is the same vid minus that crap)

post #1195 of 1957

That's amazing.

 

And the link also has a lot of cool information about earlier ideas in previous versions of the script.

post #1196 of 1957
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That's amazing.

 

And the link also has a lot of cool information about earlier ideas in previous versions of the script.

 

yeah.  So blame Lindelhof for the old man (although that didn;t bother me too much I have to say).  MAX VON SYDOW.  Fucks sake.

 

Oh, and as for why Weyland is played by Guy Pearce in old-man makeup, Spaihts says Damon Lindelof's script showed the android David going inside Weyland's dreams while he was in hypersleep — and in his dreams, Weyland is a young man, on a yacht surrounded by beautiful women. These dream conversations got cut, but Pearce's casting was already locked in. Scott had originally wanted to cast Max von Sydow as Peter Weyland. (In Spaiht's script versions, Weyland isn't aboard the Prometheus at all — instead, there's a hidden squad of company soldiers.)

post #1197 of 1957

Hmm, that explains why they hired Pearce.

post #1198 of 1957
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That's amazing.

 

And the link also has a lot of cool information about earlier ideas in previous versions of the script.


totally.  To think Ridley wanted to have "Third Rock from the Sun" to be the prequel to this prequel is mind boggling!

post #1199 of 1957

Considering how bloated the number of characters was in the actual movie, it's probably good that there wasn't yet another bunch of nameless faces in the secret squad of company soldiers.  As much as people might want Aliens 2.

post #1200 of 1957

Y'know, I'll be honest: I didn't expect to be so exhausted from talking about this movie as I am. Largely because I didn't expect it to be so disappointing. 

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