PROMETHEUS post-release discussion - Page 34

Just realised that '10-11-12' is the first day of the New York Comic-Con...this was obviously planned in advance...maybe, maybe...maybe...

But, probably not...

One of my friends is convinced that Scott secretly filmed a sequel and no matter how I try to explain that in this era that is practically impossible, I couldn't convince him.

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Originally Posted by Jexxon 

 

Fifield, a.k.a. H.G. Blob

Was this shot, or was it more artwork? It looks awesome and makes me a bit miffed they didn't use/covered-up these designs. It's WAY better. It wouldn't have saved the film but would have upped the creep factor.

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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 

Was this shot, or was it more artwork? It looks awesome and makes me a bit miffed they didn't use/covered-up these designs. It's WAY better. It wouldn't have saved the film but would have upped the creep factor.

I was definitely shot, if you look at the first teaser and some earlier tv spots, you can spot the long, extended arm of the creature, which matches up with these pics.

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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 

Was this shot, or was it more artwork? It looks awesome and makes me a bit miffed they didn't use/covered-up these designs. It's WAY better. It wouldn't have saved the film but would have upped the creep factor.

Apparently it was shot. Read that this version of Fifield can be seen in a reflection during the attack scene (That scene has been shuffled around in the continuity also, which may or may not have influenced the change).

But for a movie that's happy to go batshit, it's odd that they would suddenly want to tone it back and make Fifield an angry acid-burned Zombie.

Edit: Damn! I should refresh more often!

That design is so much better than what we got in the film that it's actually starting to piss me off.  The design they went with looks like something out of The Hills Have Eyes remake.  Totally pedestrian and not frightening in the slightest.

I'm just going to assume that Scott thought the audience was too stupid to figure out who the creature with that design?  So they went with inbreed zombie guy design instead?

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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken 

I'm just going to assume that Scott thought the audience was too stupid to figure out who the creature with that design?  So they went with inbreed zombie guy design instead?

Considering the fact that most of my friends thought the goo-zombie was an extra-crispy Holloway, I really hope that's not the case. It's really sad how much more interesting all these early concepts are compared to the film itself.

this shot looks way more like alien fifield than the finished hillbilly fifield

Compared to the guy he's throwing he's at least a few feet taller like in the concept shot, and I don't remember Fifield growing in the movie.

edit: this was taken from an early trailer

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Originally Posted by cognizant 

One of my friends is convinced that Scott secretly filmed a sequel and no matter how I try to explain that in this era that is practically impossible, I couldn't convince him.

Has he ever made another movie like this that really finishes like it absolutely has to continue into a sequel? I can't think of any

edit: Robin Hood doesn't count...does it?

Robin Hood, kinda-sorta, but only really from the standpoint of that flick ending right where every other last Robin Hood movie ever produced in human history starts.

(Whether it left the audience "demanding" a sequel, however, is a question probably best left unanswered.)

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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander 

this shot looks way more like alien fifield than the finished hillbilly fifield

 

 

Compared to the guy he's throwing he's at least a few feet taller like in the concept shot, and I don't remember Fifield growing in the movie.

 

edit: this was taken from an early trailer

You just need to look at the size ratio of arms/ legs to torso to work out that THAT AIN'T 'Hillbilly-Zombie Fifield'.

(For some reason watching that clip reminds me of the Ents throwing rocks on Isengard...weird...)

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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken 

That design is so much better than what we got in the film that it's actually starting to piss me off.  The design they went with looks like something out of The Hills Have Eyes remake.  Totally pedestrian and not frightening in the slightest.

 

 

I'm just going to assume that Scott thought the audience was too stupid to figure out who the creature with that design?  So they went with inbreed zombie guy design instead?

Maybe it would just further confuse the alien life cycle. The scrapped version of Fifield was obviously turning into something that looks very much like the classic alien, so that would seem to make the facehugger unnecessary in the whole process.

So then why have him squatting outside the bay doors in the most Alien inspired way possible?  My bet?  They just didn't think it looked good enough.  It's always the case, I Am Legend thinks the makeup doesn't look good enough so they throw it out the window and do CG.

How to be a scientist in Prometheus.  Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Freeman 

 I Am Legend thinks the makeup doesn't look good enough so they throw it out the window and do CG.

This absolutely sunk the film.  I could hardly believe it as I was watching it.

Touch dat snake!

I'm just mostly pissed off that this is another film with monsters/crazy spacemen/outlandish creations, and they fight like pretty much every CG-monster in movie history - throw, grab, grab, throw, again and again and again.

I would think the Engineer at the end is so far removed from violence that he doesn't even need to lift his arms to get rid of these puny, disrespectful humans. But no, he's a typical brute.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I would think the Engineer at the end is so far removed from violence that he doesn't even need to lift his arms to get rid of these puny, disrespectful humans. But no, he's a typical brute.

Exactly. They had so many opportunities for some real Dr. Manhattan-esque levels of surreal violence and they choose instead pile drivers. Alongside switching to redneck zombie from an effective and original design, it's one of this films many idiotic choices. 

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I'm just mostly pissed off that this is another film with monsters/crazy spacemen/outlandish creations, and they fight like pretty much every CG-monster in movie history - throw, grab, grab, throw, again and again and again.

 

I would think the Engineer at the end is so far removed from violence that he doesn't even need to lift his arms to get rid of these puny, disrespectful humans. But no, he's a typical brute.

Couldn't agree more. Also, since we're not getting a longer extended conversation between David and the engineer, that language expert guy really shouldn't have spoiled what David said. Yes, I wanted to know.. but the film works much better when it's kept ambiguous, since at least then what prompted the grab/throw/repeat attack sequence is kept a mystery, as are David's true motivations (did he ask the question he was told to ask?).

I thought the Engineer was supposed to mentally destroy Ford? Or somebody? Wasn't there a confirmation that they had psychic powers at some point? Because I sure didn't see that in the movie

random production pic I came across

Yeah, some reports said the medic woman would be violently crushed to a pulp, by the Engineer focussing on her.

I would like to say that some of you should stop putting faith in the upcoming DVD release, as Scott has said this won't be a director's cut, but rather an "extended addition." So, not excised good ideas, just more bad ones.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I'm just mostly pissed off that this is another film with monsters/crazy spacemen/outlandish creations, and they fight like pretty much every CG-monster in movie history - throw, grab, grab, throw, again and again and again.

 

I would think the Engineer at the end is so far removed from violence that he doesn't even need to lift his arms to get rid of these puny, disrespectful humans. But no, he's a typical brute.

Maybe the last transmission he picked up (before sleepy time) concerning Earth was something from humans bitching about how a "Super Man" who "Returned" needed to "punch more shit" and that's where his track of mind picked up after post-groggy.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I would like to say that some of you should stop putting faith in the upcoming DVD release, as Scott has said this won't be a director's cut, but rather an "extended addition." So, not excised good ideas, just more bad ones.

SNORE.

from Forbes-

5 Scientists Share Their Baffled Reactions on the Science in 'Prometheus'

That article is terrible. The guy is describing scenes out of context and getting reactions, not interviewing and getting genuine reactions from scientists who have seen the film.

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd 

That article is terrible. The guy is describing scenes out of context and getting reactions, not interviewing and getting genuine reactions from scientists who have seen the film.

Yeah, was about to say the same thing.  These guys could utterly destroy the film if they wanted to get into it. 

I like the concept behind that article, and it did a good job of pointing out some of the more egregiously dumb parts of the script.  The article as written, however, seems very poorly organized and structured. Is it an abridged version?  It has next to no coherent flow at all and does an abysmal job of setting up the elements and why the science and scientists in the film are dumb.

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Originally Posted by VTRan 

from Forbes-

 

5 Scientists Share Their Baffled Reactions on the Science in 'Prometheus'

While I understand the mass appeal of releasing an article like this for a film that didn't meet everyone's heightened expectations, but where's articles like this poking holes in other big budget sci-fi flicks with eye-rolling tech like Avatar or Star Trek?

I mean, it's an interesting read, don't get me wrong, but all the infinite nitpicking just baffles me.

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Yeah, was about to say the same thing.  These guys could utterly destroy the film if they wanted to get into it. 

We could utterly destroy almost any sci-fi flick if we absolutely wanted to

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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander 

 

 

We could utterly destroy almost any sci-fi flick if we absolutely wanted to

You can't really say that about any previous Ridley Scott science fiction films.  Just because there's a lot of bad science in science fiction that doesn't mean they get a pass.

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While I understand the mass appeal of releasing an article like this for a film that didn't meet everyone's heightened expectations, but where's articles like this poking holes in other big budget sci-fi flicks with eye-rolling tech like Avatar or Star Trek?

 

I mean, it's an interesting read, don't get me wrong, but all the infinite nitpicking just baffles me.

People roll their eyes all the time at Star Trek technology.  They've been doing it for decades. 

It's not the technology that is making people roll their eyes either, it's the behavior of these scientists who aren't acting like scientists during their $1 trillion+ mission. 

Also, the very premise that the engineers seeded life on Earth which eventually evolved to become humans (that also had an identical DNA to the engineers) is a ridiculous notion that's contrary to everything we know about evolution on Earth, but I'd be able to let that pass if there was some competency displayed from the team later in the movie. 

guys, I think you need to take into consideration that the (admittedly, very superficial) article was from Forbes, not Scientific American. 

I did happen across this review of the film by Dr. Steven Novella who is an "academic clinical neurologist at Yale University School of Medicine"

The Science of Prometheus

....and we all know that NDT has already weighed in on Vickers incorrect concepts of distance in the film.

So weird they're still promoting it. I imagine it's for deleted scene stuff.

http://www.projectprometheus.com/sdcc/

Don't worry...Tyler Perry will save us from bad sci-fi.

If there's one thing that could bring down your guard even a smidge toward Prometheus, it has to be Tyler Perry's "Madea Goes to Space".

I just watched the movie again yesterday, was strangely pleased that it did not piss me off as much as the first time.  I can't explain why this was the case, but most likely it was because I knew what the Geologist/Biologist would do in advance...And that nobody would acknowledge Shaw's sweat and blood drenched self when they were revealing Weyland with the 2 extras with no previous explanation...btw, not all the extras in that scene followed Weyland to visit the lone surviving space jockey(because apparently the other 3 had HAL kill them), nor did they decide to follow Janek to the suicide mission.  What the hell did they do!!!   17 crewmembers, we need to figure out these POW/MIA's.

1) Shaw(possibly surviving with David's body, David's head, maybe Vickers since they cut out before she died)

2)Shaw's boyfriend/husband, I think they are not married.

2)Vickers(probably died, maybe lived)

3)Janek(dead)

4)Weyland(died to Space Jockey)

5)David(survived)

6)Janek's asian copilot(dead)

7)Janek's caucasian copilot(dead)

8)Fifield(idiot)

9)Milburn(idiot)

10)Scottish voice chick who breast fed at the Eyrie in GOT(died to space Jockey)

11)Dude who took the first hit from hillbilly(dead)

12)Dude who took 2nd hit from hillbilly(gut blood punch and double face punch)(dead)

13)Dude who took ice axe to the back from hillbilly(dead)

14)Main guard guy who said "good luck with that" about security, appeared to shoot the zombie(during the same sequence Shaw was limping through the ship, then reappear behind Weyland as his guard....he must be a twin...aka

14a)He's #15(but which one died to the Space Jockey)?

15)Guard 1 outside of Weyland's wheelchair room

16)Guard 2 outside of Weyland's wheelchair room

17)I cant remember.

What the fuck were these 2 guys doing when the ship went down!!!

I will also say, to repeat myself from my aforementioned post., it still appears that the alien ship goes upwards and rapidly away.  Prometheus gets going after it.  To respond to the poster who responded to me, I think we are both right, because the lead up to the collision is very far away, but all of the collision scenery uses terrain right around the main site for the movie, and very quickly you are watching Shaw and Vickers deal with falling debris and large vaguely semi-toroidal objects rolling, which would be hard to figure out for the smartest mathematicians.  So I can't argue with you because I don't know what files the animators were using but it seems like they reverted to whatever was rendered in tthe highest quality and they thought looked the best?

Regardless,  I liked it more the second time I watched it, and I border line hated it the first time.  I just felt the other parts of the movie more.

3-disc Blu-ray version of Prometheus details. I figured the availability of the different versions of the scripts would pique some interests, though I doubt many of you will be buying it to read them:

Disc One will include the film in 2D along with 150 minutes worth of extras, including 15-minutes of deleted and alternate scenes, audio commentary by director Ridley Scott, 4 Private Records of Peter Weyland viral videos (The Offer of Elizabeth Shaw, Happy Birthday, David, Prometheus Transmission: Extended Version and The TED Conference: Weyland in 2023 - Long Version), Pre-Production material (including text of the first and final drafts of the script, a gallery of Ridleygrams, The Art of Prometheus photo gallery, a 30-minute Pre-visualization featurette, 15 minutes of Noomi Rapace screen tests, a Costume Design gallery and what appears to be a featurette called Look of the Cast), Production material (a Graphic Video Dashboard, a Production Team photo gallery and video taken by the private pilot) and Post-Release material (including a Marketing Gallery). There's also 60 minutes of Second Screen App content featuring the archives of Peter Weyland.

Disc Two is the Blu-ray 3D version of the film.

Disc Three is a Bonus Disc containing additional extras, including the 9-part, feature-length The Angry Gods "making of" documentary [includes At the Conquest of Paradise (scenario), The Engineering Upside Down (direction & design), The Manifest Human (characters & costumes), A Nest of Demons (creature design), A World Without Green Spaces (Pinewood), Gains of Chance (stunts & action), The Beginning and End (Iceland), The Sky on Fire (visual effects) and Prometheus Without Limits (post-production and theatrical release)], as well as 30 minutes of Units of Improvement mini-featurettes and the aforementioned Archives of Peter Weyland. In addition to Prometheus, there's also apparently going to be a 9-disc Evolution: From Alien to Prometheus BD box set (at least in France), which basically just combines Prometheus with the previous Alien Anthology BD set. Keep in mind that until Fox make the official announcements this list should be considered tentative and subject to change. However, you can bet we'll get more details next week at Comic-Con.

so no alternate\extended cut yet then?

They had me at '15 minutes of Noomi Rapace screen tests'.

The extras will probably be better than the movie.

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'Conquest of Paradise' fits what the film should have been. Big, pulpy space adventure with interesting ideas and a bunch of monsters. They should have ditched all the Alien ellements and just made the production design look similar like Aliens/Avatar.

^^THIS!^^

I'm really ready for the nerd rage about this to be done. I get it, I really do. ALIEN is my favorite movie of all time and I really wanted this to be great. It wasn't. I got mad about it for about a day and then I moved on. I think at this point I could watch it again and be OK with it. It's a movie. Its got big problems. Oh well.

I'm going to buy the Blu Ray because I have all the Alien ones and that's how my OCD rolls. Good job getting my money Ridley!

I think I'll hold out for the extended cut, which no doubt will be coming out not  long after this set.  I'm not sure if 20 extra minutes would help the film or not, but I'd be curious to see.  And I don't have a strong desire to watch the theatrical cut again.

I don't get the anger about Vickers...she said billions of miles (or whatever it was) from people...not Earth.  It is pretty plausible that there are other ships/colonies close to that system that she is aware of...even other Weyland projects (maybe their website has something about that).

That line from Vickers is the least problematic thing about her character. 

I'm sure Ridley will anounce a 40min+ director's cut the minute I've unpacked the blu-ray.

Isn't the extended cut supposed to be on this first Blu-Ray (20 minutes longer, or something)? Ridley mentioned something to this effect a few weeks back, I thought.