PROMETHEUS post-release discussion - Page 11

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Originally Posted by felix 

I'll take Sunshine over this. Rapace, Fassbinder and Theron all give strong performances though.

 

Some stuff i still don't understand

 

1) Why did that Engineer drink that Black Oil in the beginning?

2) Why did David infect Halloway's drink? Did Waylan tell him to do it? Or was he jusy curious?

3) That Black Oil- What is it? Is it an infection agent to breed Facehuggers?

1)  Black oil broke him down and used his DNA to seed the planet with life.  Why is anyone's guess, but I like the idea that he didn't do it with the space jockeys' permission.

2)  See my post on the previous page for Fassbender's impression of what David was up to.

3)  Dunno what it is, but it evolves living organisms and likes to create freaky life.  Turns worms into snakes (something I missed first time), humans into zombies, if it goes in your womb it creates facehuggers.  With some coffee beans you can make a nice latte with it.

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Originally Posted by Mikeg391 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/thread/200177706
Interesting take and addresses non-use of abortion word. I totally buy this.

'Space Jesus', hehe.  Good read.  Also:

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Originally Posted by cognizant 

 

I can't remember, but did his poisoning attempt occur after Weyland's "try harder" message?

 

Yep. Not too long after, in fact. It's right there. In the film. 

I really hope this is another Kingdom of Heaven and we get a directors cut down the line that fleshes things out.  I dont think I have ever seen a movie with so many great elements, and a pile of dogshit for a script. 

My 12 year old asks me after the movie....so why did the robot guy put the alien booger in that dudes drink?  People have already listed the holes and flaws but in summary:

1. too many damn characters

2. Weyland family drama shoehorned in and poorly executed

3. pregnancy bit shoehorned in

4. two capable female leads, neither one is developed enough despite game efforts by the actresses.

5. Geology dude coming back as monster man.....WTF was that all about? did they just feel they needed an extra action scene? Or did the scriptwriter just need an excuse for the bulk of the characters to be occupied during the abortion scene (her saying cesearian has to be a choice by the suits to try to keep the religeous right from losing their shit and picketing the movie)

6. There is more, but all in all, it keeps circling around to the fact that the script was shit.

But despite all this, I still think this was a worthwhile film. The technical execution, the visuals, the performances, the ideas are all top notch. I was fascinated by David, Fassbender delivers a performance that assaults the entire idea of creation and meaning. Can he please be in the Blade Runner sequel???  Elba, Rapace and Theron are all strong in the movie despite the poor script.

Ridley's challenging take on creation was amazing. You have Weyland who created David as a tool to reach his own ends. You have the fact that David obviously has some type of internal life, despite his protests of not having one. His fascination, disgust, dissappointment, and truly horrific cutting wit all make speculating about what is going on with him internally a fascinating study. I also really enjoyed the idea that what if our creators are just like us?  They do shit becuase they can, for their own self serving reasons. They have no regard and feel no responsibility toward their own creations. They muck about with biological weapons and using life as a weapon with no moral quandaries that we can see. It is a great mirror for us in that we are quickly reaching the point where we willl have this type of power to create and destroy life. Will there be a moral component to all of this? Should there be? 

Anyway, as a lover of sci-fi, I will love this movie warts and all. I do want a sequel to it....I just hope they can keep lindeloff the hell away from it.

Ridley can put all the ancient myth callbacks he wants in this film, it's meaningless unless it's supported by a rock steady plot.  It's not.  It's like the Wachowski brothers and the Matrix sequels all over again: a movie so concerned with shoving in big ideas that they forgot to make it work dramatically, which is the entire point of making a motion picture in the first place...otherwise, I'd rather just read the philosophy books they're poorly aping.

And Ridley Scott is really pissing me off.  Why is this guy considered such a titan in the leagues of Spielberg and the rest?  His last great film was Blade Runner 30 fuckin' years ago IMO.  No, I didn't like Gladiator or Kingdom of Heaven...the rest are either good to mediocre, visual treats, but Scott is borderline retarded when it comes to scripts.  It's like he kept making pretty commercials after doing 2500 of them before The Duelists, but just stretched them out to 2 hour movies.  The more I think about Prometheus the angrier I get.  Spielberg has made some clunkers, but they were always adept at telling a story, and never had such unbelievably stupid characterizations and plots that swept basic logic under the cinematic rug (or hid them in the shadows, as there are shadows aplenty in a Ridley film).  Scott always seems like he's making Shakespeare in interviews...his attitude is that of a well paid tailor for Richard the 3rd, yet he's making bad movies every time I look up.  He had one chance to go back to his roots and prove to us that he's still got it, that he's worthy of all the praise he seems to get...and he signs off on a movie I'd expect to see from the guys who directed Skyline...but he shoots the shit out of it, makes it gorgeous and we're supposed to think that means anything?  I ask again, why is Ridley so revered when his flicks offer me the same interest I have in Roland Emmerich movies?

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Originally Posted by 3nnui 

I really hope this is another Kingdom of Heaven and we get a directors cut down the line that fleshes things out.  

Ridley says there is no director's cut.  There will be deleted scenes as extras.

And a director's cut is pointless, the terrible acting, plotting, ideas and story are still there.

Spoilers (not really)

I'm going to see it again before penning my review, but suffice to say, it's a stunning, thrilling film that thinks it's awfully smart. Unfortunately, it's pretty pedestrian in terms of its big ideas and truthfully doesn't commit to the questions it asks, or indeed bother answering them. Ambiguity is one thing, but this is just damn thin.

The design is beyond reproach. There is imagery in this film that will NEVER leave my mind. There are moments so tense and viscerally stunning they could give a hardened gorehound nightmares. But, the characters pretty much blow and all blend together. Brilliant scientists do things necking teenagers in a 50's creature feature would consider idiotic, people behave wildly out of character for no reason and the android (brilliantly played by Fassbender) seems like a mischievous asshole hellbent on fucking everyone over.

But, if you like Sci-fi and horror, you need to see this in as big a theater as possible as it is an unparalleled visual feast. The 3D is remarkable as well. It's a complicated film that will stick with you, in spite of its many issues.  I do appreciate all the dialog it has occasioned.  It's good to have a film get people seriously talking again, I just wish there were more to discuss. 

Unfortunately, we live in an age where no studio is interested in investing serious money and time into something unless it's to set up a damn trilogy. As much as I love LOTR, that series has become the defacto template for all Hollywood blockbusters for the last decade and now the success of Avengers is poised to do even more damage to studio perception of how we want our entertainment presented to us. This way, we can't ever get a cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end anymore. Everything is all set up and time spent to bring things up to the point of a previous entry. This is how you milk a franchise for untold box office glory, not how you tell a story.  That having been said, I would like to see where a follow up to Prometheus could go, but I don't have much faith it would be anywhere interesting. 

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Originally Posted by Shloggs 

Unfortunately, we live in an age where no studio is interested in investing serious money and time into something unless it's to set up a damn trilogy. As much as I love LOTR, that series has become the defacto template for all Hollywood blockbusters for the last decade and now the success of Avengers is poised to do even more damage to studio perception of how we want our entertainment presented to us. This way, we can't ever get a cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end anymore. Everything is all set up and time spent to bring things up to the point of a previous entry. This is how you milk a franchise for untold box office glory, not how you tell a story.  That having been said, I would like to see where a follow up to Prometheus could go, but I don't have much faith it would be anywhere interesting. 

My thoughts exactly.  

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

 

Ridley says there is no director's cut.  There will be deleted scenes as extras.

 

And a director's cut is pointless, the terrible acting, plotting, ideas and story are still there.

I cant really counter your arguments Ambler, the script is bad, the movie is flawed.....no question.

But I am just going to go geek and say that I seldom get movies about shit that truly interests me, Fassbenders performance as Frankenstien's monster and the creation questions raised by this film are enough to make me forgive a whole hell of a lot. To me, this is a different class than an Emmerich film, I will look at it and long for what could of been...but I will also appreciate what is there.

Terrible. Really disappointing. I want Scott to just retire.

I guess I like it better than Alien Resurrection, but I don't think that's a big compliment. 

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

 

 

 

And a director's cut is pointless, the terrible acting, plotting, ideas and story are still there.

Who besides Logan Marshall Green was terrible?  I think every one of the main actors (Fassbender, Theron. Rapace, Elba) were pretty good, given what they had to work with.  

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Originally Posted by Jeb 

I texted my brother after the movie: "I avoided spoilers for two years for THAT?" It really has been a long time since I've worked so hard at letting a film keep its secrets from me (to the point of stepping out of the theater when the trailer would come on), but it feels like wasted effort. I mean, I've certainly paid more money for worse films in the past, but calling that script mediocre would be generous.

 

You all covered the flaws and plot holes and WTF bits already. Definitely looked gorgeous, Fassbender was delightful, some promising ideas got tossed around, but...

 

After the movie, I told my wife that I was picturing Elba first reading his script, getting to the "ten minutes" line, quickly turning the page... and yelling "Hey-- what the fuck? There's a scene missing here!"

 

Her opinion was that should have been Theron's reaction.

How do we know there wasn't a scene and they didn't film it? ...

(Insert actor's name of choice here): My contract clearly states that ... (etc) !

Place your bets!  $100 in Monopoly money there will be a director's cut.  Whether Ridley likes it or not.  In fact when I think of that phrase I think of Ridley, he's become that synonymous with it.

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Originally Posted by Shloggs 
Unfortunately, we live in an age where no studio is interested in investing serious money and time into something unless it's to set up a damn trilogy. As much as I love LOTR, that series has become the defacto template for all Hollywood blockbusters for the last decade and now the success of Avengers is poised to do even more damage to studio perception of how we want our entertainment presented to us. This way, we can't ever get a cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end anymore. Everything is all set up and time spent to bring things up to the point of a previous entry.

You speak the truth, and that attitude ran rampant over Iron Man 2 with all the SHIELD nonsense setting up Avengers.  It will be a while till we get an 80's blockbuster renaissance, if ever.

Not yet caught up on this thread, so apologies if I'm echoing what others have already said, but a quick summary of my thoughts: what a frustrating mess.  

Major identity crisis, and the film fails as both high-concept sci-fi and gooey horror movie, but for whatever reason, its the endless parade of secondary characters that irritated me the most.  Probably because that seems like the easiest thing to fix.  And trimming down the cast, while focusing on sketching out some of the more major players a bit more would have at least helped shore up the horror portion of the movie.  No fucks given about anyone, and that's criminal coming from the guy who made Alien.  People just show up at random times (where the hell did all of Weyland's goons come from?) and I'm completely unclear on the fate of others (did Lysa Arryn just disappear when the third act started?).  And if you are going to incorporate all these nameless goons, at least find some creative ways to dispatch them.      

Even the ones who do get some semblance of characterization, like Janek's lame co-pilots, still don't feel like actual people.  And Scott even falls on his face trying to work in that blue collar charm.  Why, on this trillion dollar space expedition, after like 8 hours of being out of cryo, is everyone getting drunk and fucking like its a goddamn college dorm?  These characters are the worst.  Janek too - I thought that his big hero moment was completely unearned at the end.  Even if that bit hadn't been 100% spoiled in the trailers, the second he gives his expositional "I promise that none of these things are coming back to Earth on my watch!" speech, its painfully obvious whats going to happen next.

So yeah.  This would have been a soft pass if Ridley had at least managed to stick the landing in the horror department.  And he was close - I loved the birthing sequence, and all the various tentacle monsters, and I thought the Space Jockey design was actually kind of neat - but it never quite gels.  I didn't hate the movie, but Christ was it unsatisfying.  

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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken 

Just got back, and I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised.  I was preparing myself for the worst after the initial mixed reviews, so perhaps that helped manage my expectations, but I had a great fucking time.   This film is flat-out stunning to look at, the entire way through.  More than that, I think people greatly underestimated the appeal this film will have to the average moviegoer/non geeks. 

Not me, I specifically predicted a 70 million dollar opening, having stated that there was room in the market for something like this to hit it big right now in the summer of super heroes. Not to brag, or anything.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken 

Fassbender was fantastic, Rappace and Theron do solid work as well.  I even liked the score.   I do think the film could use more time to breathe, especially in the first act. I think the movie would benefit greatly by spending a bit more time on the ship before the first expedition.   Overall though, I had a blast.  Sign me up for Promethues 2.

I think the film absolutely could have used more time spent on the approach to the planet, time dedicated to giving us a sense of the distance traveled, how isolated these people really were, how far out it was they were going and how unprecedented the mission was. They spent a trillion dollars to send these people out into deep space, yet most of the crew didn't really even seem to find it terribly interesting. The sense of awe and wonder they should by all rights feel when discovering sings of advanced life on some random moon in the middle of nowhere really didn't get enough play in this film. These people should have been shitting themselves and yet most of them didn't seem that impressed!

 

 

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Originally Posted by Freeman 

I like how the Engineers plan for containment at this weapons facility was pretty much...

 

"Wow...  Well that planet's fucked."

What was the green goo on the walls Fassbender examines? Was that related to the 2000 year old accident?

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

This movie is total shit, sorry to say. A complete missed opportunity. They had enough money to buy great effects (and Michael Fassbender, whose performance deserves a much, much better film) and nothing else. The dialogue, the plot, the characters, the score. It was all shit. What a disappointment.

 

ETA - The score on it's own isn't shit. I just found it wildly inappropriate considering the tone, like many other aspects of the film.

I have to agree. I didn't even like the score that much on it's own. It was sort of generic, bland "spirit of adventure" music. Really odd to see it set against some of those sequences in the film.

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Originally Posted by cognizant 

 

I can't remember, but did his poisoning attempt occur after Weyland's "try harder" message?

 

Also, from a /Slashfilm interview with Fassbender:

 

Q: One of the interesting things about David and we talked about it earlier, he seems very inquisitive and curious, but some of the things he ends up dong can be seen as evil. It’s hard to talk about it, but I’m curious. Do you look at it as he’s just curious or being told to do things? What was your take on why he does some of the things he does later on?

Fassbender: The driving force is it’s the information that he’s got to gather and sometimes you need guinea pigs in the science laboratory and that’s the way he looks at it. It’s collateral damage and then maybe there’s other little elements to it that he can enjoy that go with it, but he definitely very focused on an objective, you know?

Good post. I'm not sure if it came after that, or if Welyand even could have given a message from cryo sleep at all or if Fassbender was just perving on his dreams the way he did to Rapace, and it was David's opinion was simply that they should try harder.

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Originally Posted by Dracula Bakula 

 

- The really mishandled scene again with Spall and Curtis finding all the dead space jokeys. I guess that life organism is no biggie, you guys can continue spending your scary night in the big unknown place.

I think more than anything it's the handling of the situation of those stranded men that for a little while threatens to ruin the movie for me. It's so bafflingly illogical that everyone is fine with them wandering on their own, despite the amount of horrific and inexplicable shit they're stumbling across. Why Elba treats a possible alien life form as some sort of joke is beyond me. Why are those people not told to STAY WHERE THEY ARE? How the characters are shit scared of the place in one scene and trying to leave, only to find their way back to the scariest area of the pyramid and then declare that the first alien they encounter is cute, is something that is known only to the mind of the writer. It's some of the worst screen writing I've ever seen in a film with this level of 'prestige'.

By the way, am I correct in thinking that the barren Rapace got a hysterectomy from that machine? She asked it to remove a "foreign body", surely the machine would have viewed a womb as an unknown element when scanning for male anatomy. Ugh! Best scene in the movie. I just wish the other characters reacted to it in some way instead of pretending that whole business didn't even happen.

Nice catch with the christian allegories. So that's why it's christmas time.

Which makes me ponder... what if Shane Black had written and directed Prometheus?

One way or the other, my read on that scene with the Engineer was that it was David that freaked the hell out of him.

If I remember correctly, the Engineer took a puzzled look at David in particular and seemed to touch his head in a probing way before deciding to behead him. It almost read like he was freaked out that humans were at the point of trying to create "life" like them.

Or ... it could be something that David said, although that'd really be a cheap thing to do as we have no clue what he said. And sorry, the whole David learning the Engineers language is just a bit too much. David just knows how things work in this alien facility, and how to remove their helmets without any indication of how he can figure such things out.

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Originally Posted by Chris Myers 

Which makes me ponder... what if Shane Black had written and directed Prometheus?

It'd be a better movie. The biggest problem with this train-wreck is the script. Scott does what he can, and so do the actors, but they can't salvage it.

I can't believe Fox gave Ridley Scott a massive pile of money, those actors, and free reign to create whatever film he wanted, and THAT'S what we got.

Can anyone explain to me what this movie was trying to tell us about religion? Or faith? Or creation? Or life? Or sex / gender / pregnancy? Or humanity? Or intelligence? Or science, or exploration, or the search for knowledge? Or space, or the implications of alien life, or death? No. Because it didn't say a goddamn thing about any of that stuff.

I'm not usually a militant asshole about whether a movie is good or not, but this one actively pisses me off.

So many thoughts, first of which is: what the hell was up with that Jurassic Park score?

Just my two cents worth. I'm glad I paid about $10 extra to see it on a real IMAX screen and visually it looked great. Unfortunately for me, I did not like the script and plot at all, most of the characters, their motivations and actions, and the music seemed especially inappropriate. It just didn't work for me at all. I'm glad to see that the early box office seems to be very good though, if it ends up being good enough, there hopefully will be a sequel I'll personally like more.

In related news, it's a shame they never made an Alien vs Predator movie (as we know here, they never happened). If they had made a couple though, and then shown the second one on Australian late night TV just then... Well I would hate to admit that having a few hours to kill, I could have been quite entertained by the way people going about their everyday mundane business at work or at home suddenly and incongruously found themselves being the victim of a sudden, seemingly random Alien attack and the Wolf Predator laying down severe beatdowns on everyone and everything (human or otherwise).

Luckily they never made that movie.

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Originally Posted by Ben W 

 

Who besides Logan Marshall Green was terrible?  I think every one of the main actors (Fassbender, Theron. Rapace, Elba) were pretty good, given what they had to work with.  

The entire crew was terrible.  By crew I mean tool pushers.  Not Rapace, Fass, Elba or Theron.  Everyone but Fass was either terrible or merely passable, but nothing special at all.

"We were SO wrong ! ! !"

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Originally Posted by Evi 

So many thoughts, first of which is: what the hell was up with that Jurassic Park score?

The score is one thing I didn't comment on.  Yes, it's bizarrely misplaced, and for the most part completely forgettable...like most of the film.

I thought Theron was especially terrible. Not her fault, just the script she had to work with. Her melodramatic reading of the line "Father!" to a guy in old man makeup (why not just hire an old man for fuck's sake? So needlessly distracting) was a lowpoint. I kept waiting for them to subvert the "icy corporate money person" trope and they NEVER. DID.

Elba was pretty good. His final scene of crashing his ship was hilarious for all the wrong reasons, though. Those guys were all way too happy and flippant about it. This movie is a real mess.

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

 

Elba was pretty good. His final scene of crashing his ship was hilarious for all the wrong reasons, though. Those guys were all way too happy and flippant about it. This movie is a real mess.

Hahahhaha, such a weird moment.  I liked it for some reason, but I'm a sucker for that kind of go-for-broke bravery.  But at the same time I was thinking, "I barely know you guys!  Who are you again???"

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

Elba was pretty good. His final scene of crashing his ship was hilarious for all the wrong reasons, though. Those guys were all way too happy and flippant about it. This movie is a real mess.

"I'll pay you on the other side, bruv!"

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

 

Elba was pretty good. His final scene of crashing his ship was hilarious for all the wrong reasons, though. Those guys were all way too happy and flippant about it. This movie is a real mess.

They were in fact so okay with suicide that I half expected one of them to belt "today's a good day to die!" 

Terrible.

The movie was a mess of themes. It was a thematic juggling act in which ALL the balls were dropped. The whole point of Noomi's character was that she had FAITH, but yet she flies off to find the engineers because she HAS TO KNOW why they want to destroy us (a question I bet the film itself doesn't know the answer to -- cough -- Lindeloff). This would have made sense if Rapace's character had an arc and changed her views, but she didn't. Just one example of this film's egregious flaws.

Huge disappointment.

Rapace's entire religious character thing confuses me.  When she says "we were so wrong" what did she mean?  Wrong about what?  That their makers were angelic saints?  Why would they assume that?  They weren't searching for God, they were searching for engineers.

My problem is ... what's those two guys' motivation to kill themselves? So we get that Elba thinks this is a military facility (out of the blue) and doesn't want any of that going back to earth. OK, that's sort of passable but could have been developed better. But what about the two other guys? Why should they believe her that letting that ship go is the end for earth? They just never debate it, think about it or anything.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Rapace's entire religious character thing confuses me.  When she says "we were so wrong" what did she mean?  Wrong about what?  That their makers were angelic saints?  Why would they assume that?  They weren't searching for God, they were searching for engineers.

She basically meant that they were wrong about the engineers leaving a map to be found and had no clue their creators set out to destroy them, which pretty much makes her the dumbest human being alive for wanting to go to their planet, but whatever...

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Rapace's entire religious character thing confuses me.  When she says "we were so wrong" what did she mean?  Wrong about what?  That their makers were angelic saints?  Why would they assume that?  They weren't searching for God, they were searching for engineers.

I'm not sure either, but maybe she meant that she was wrong that this was as she said an invitation? Hard to tell, the movie doesn't bother really explaining what that means ... it's only an obvious dramatic line to use and that's why its used.

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Originally Posted by Evi 

She basically meant that they had no clue their creators set out to destroy them, which pretty much makes her the dumbest human being alive for wanting to go to their planet, but whatever...

How did she know they set out to destroy them?  At that point, all that happened was they stumbled upon the black goo and felt its wrath.  It's like running into a neighbors ravenous dog and assuming he wants to kill you.  She turned out to be right, but she couldn't have known that with the information she had at that point.

Why did the engineers leave a message of "come find us" if the plan was just to wipe out all of humanity? Come find us -- so we can send something back to your planet and kill you?

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica 

 

I'm not sure either, but maybe she meant that she was wrong that this was as she said an invitation? Hard to tell, the movie doesn't bother really explaining what that means ... it's only an obvious dramatic line to use and that's why its used.

Another thing is how do they know its an invitation???  On the cave paintings, all we see are large figures pointing at dots in the sky.  It could mean anything.  But she interprets it as "stop by for a chat and a cup of hot cocoa" ?

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica 

My problem is ... what's those two guys' motivation to kill themselves? So we get that Elba thinks this is a military facility (out of the blue) and doesn't want any of that going back to earth. OK, that's sort of passable but could have been developed better. But what about the two other guys? Why should they believe her that letting that ship go is the end for earth? They just never debate it, think about it or anything.

They're servicing Ridley's vision.

And people call Cameron a bad filmmaker.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

 

How did she know they set out to destroy them?  At that point, all that happened was they stumbled upon the black goo and felt its wrath.  It's like running into a neighbors ravenous dog and assuming he wants to kill you.  She turned out to be right, but she couldn't have known that with the information she had at that point.

Sorry, missed my edit. Meant thaht they were wrong about what they'd assumed was a friendly invitation from the engineers.

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

Why did the engineers leave a message of "come find us" if the plan was just to wipe out all of humanity? Come find us -- so we can send something back to your planet and kill you?

A test?

Whenever you are smart and evolved enough to interpret this and be able to find us, then that's a sign humanity is too dangerous to be left alone?

Too bad the movie doesn't bother with any of this, it's like Lost all over again as people keep pointing out.

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

I thought Theron was especially terrible. Not her fault, just the script she had to work with. Her melodramatic reading of the line "Father!" to a guy in old man makeup (why not just hire an old man for fuck's sake? So needlessly distracting) was a lowpoint. I kept waiting for them to subvert the "icy corporate money person" trope and they NEVER. DID.

My other (un)favorite of her line readings was when David cuts off the transmission. "Son of a bitch!" [Beat. Audience realizes David has cut her off]. "He cut me off!" [Oh, so that's what he did-- thanks!]

It's actually my wife's contention that, based on what we know of her character, she'd have been far more likely to stay home and play power games with the Board of Directors while Dad was out of it for two years; that's where the real opportunity would lie.

And plus-one on the distraction of Pearce's makeup. I've certainly seen worse, but when you go to that much trouble to age a familiar actor, you expect the storyline to involve the Fountain of Youth or something (not that his actual "plan" made any more sense than that, anyway). Hell, Max Von Sydow still seems to be kicking around... or you could get really on-the-nose and see if Peter O'Toole can still get out of bed in the morning. And, really, did the character even need to be 103? Plenty of people are facing their mortality much sooner than that.

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Originally Posted by Jeb 

And, really, did the character even need to be 103? Plenty of people are facing their mortality much sooner than that.

It's a pretty advanced future, I guess you have to put him in a place that he's better off going across the galaxy with barely a plan to meet our makers (no idea how this trip would even have cured him), rather than to invest that money into curing a fatal disease.

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica 

A test?

 

Whenever you are smart and evolved enough to interpret this and be able to find us, then that's a sign humanity is too dangerous to be left alone?

 

Too bad the movie doesn't bother with any of this, it's like Lost all over again as people keep pointing out.

Except didn't David say they were headed to earth around the time the disaster occured, which was about 2000 years earlier?

Hey give me a break, I have very little to work with here :-)

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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham 

Elba was pretty good. His final scene of crashing his ship was hilarious for all the wrong reasons, though. Those guys were all way too happy and flippant about it. This movie is a real mess.

Did I imagine this or did he tell the other two to raise their arms before they crashed into the ship?  Is there a shot of all three guys with their hands in the air like at a rock concert?  Tell me you saw it too!

A little nitpick.  

I don't get why the DNA had to be a COMPLETE match.  I mean, wouldn't it be just as amazing if it was a 99% match?  These guys are huge jock douches that seem to all look the same.

But maybe it's just because I'm not a BIOLLAJISS.

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Originally Posted by cognizant 

 

Did I imagine this or did he tell the other two to raise their arms before they crashed into the ship?  Is there a shot of all three guys with their hands in the air like at a rock concert?  Tell me you saw it too!

Oh I saw it.  They were really happy.

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica 

Hey give me a break, I have very little to work with here :-)

I know, that's the problem. I get this image of Lindelof hanging around like he did the LOST and promising that yes there is an answer, we'll just never know what it is.

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Originally Posted by Evi 

 

Except didn't David say they were headed to earth around the time the disaster occured, which was about 2000 years earlier?

Exactly, at which time we were using stone tools and thought the earth was flat.  This movie doesn't know which way is up.

It also sounded like Elba said "HANDJOOOOB!!!" before they hit.