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post #1 of 15
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I know you guys can't pay people/are losing checks at the mail place, but can you at least have someone on staff to proof articles before they go up? I know time is of the essence when posting online. That said, you have a main page writer confusing "its" and "it's" and burying the lede with a bevy of personal anecdotes that have little to no relevance to the topic in question. This is shoddy and embarrassing. It makes all the really good work people like Renn are still doing look bad. That simple grammatical mistakes are being allowed to appear and reappear truly makes it look like whoever's editor in chief doesn't give a shit. 

post #2 of 15
The problem with this post is that you made a good point but you made it in a really assy way. So, ya know... Regardless, will address it.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by Leonard View Post

I know you guys can't pay people/are losing checks at the mail place, but can you at least have someone on staff to proof articles before they go up? I know time is of the essence when posting online. That said, you have a main page writer confusing "its" and "it's" and burying the lede with a bevy of personal anecdotes that have little to no relevance to the topic in question. This is shoddy and embarrassing. It makes all the really good work people like Renn are still doing look bad. That simple grammatical mistakes are being allowed to appear and reappear truly makes it look like whoever's editor in chief doesn't give a shit. 

 

 

In future please Spell Check your posts!

post #4 of 15
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In future please Spell Check your posts!

That's how you spell "lede".

post #5 of 15

I mean, yeah, "bury the lead" is acceptable, but let's not all be nitpicky motherfuckers. That being said, I agree about a lack of oversight on the frontpage as well as the anecdotes being completely unnecessary padding for news, but that's not my wheelhouse.

post #6 of 15

It's always conflicting when an unbearable douche makes a good point amidst his unbearable douchery.

 

However, Lenny Bandu is right, and Chud isn't the only site suffering from this phenomenon. It seems that every AV Club article has at least two proofreading fuckups. Remember: Proofreading is more than just using spell check.

post #7 of 15

I think the article titles are usually good indicators of what the "lede" is. But when an article is more of a movie news-blip + CHUD flava, it's irrelevant. The personal stuff is usually why readers pick a site over say a twitter feed with little editorial content/spin.

 

You could by-pass the need for a staff copy editor by attaching "rep" to anybody who voluntarily corrects the article in comments or something? Say 100 points for the first or best catches. People like reward systems even if it's largely meaningless. And geeks love to correct shit.

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

Okay, going to try and be less douchey, but it's more than just scanning for typos/grammar/editorial mistakes. It's sentence structure, adjusting the flow of the piece while still maintaining the author's voice, things like that. For example, I'd like to see CHUD get away from the asides and footnotes. More often than not, they're unnecessary and they could just as easily be incorporated into the body of the piece.

 

As for "burying the lede/lead," there's a difference between the headline and the lede. If the two are the same -- if, for example, you tell us in the headline is that Spartacus is having its last season and do nothing more than say in the article that Spartacus is having its last season -- then, as a writer, you should step back and see if the piece is worth writing at all. 

 

Now, I will be a douche: I think the rise of sub-David Foster Wallace imitators and sons of Knowles who feel its necessary to infuse every single article with a "personal viewpoint" out of some obligation, no matter how boring or irrelevant that viewpoint may be, is strangling the form of online web criticism, but that's me. 

post #9 of 15
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Okay, going to try and be less douchey,

 

Why try?  It's clearly your first love.  The one you always return to.

post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

Because I was frustrated about an obvious downtick in quality, especially for a section of the site I care a ton about, when I made that initial post, and I wanted to try and clarify my initial post more diplomatically.

post #11 of 15

Understood, and I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. So, apologies for the name-calling.

 

There's still some good writing online, although I'd like to call a one-year moratorium on the use of footnotes. It feels like every other column I read is peppered with asterisks and supplementary asides.

post #12 of 15

Despite my reflexive snark I agree the homepage articles need some basic review for run on sentences and typos. The "wise ass" asides don't do much for me either. As for the personal asides, if they have some bearing on the author's viewpoint (e.g. "I was raped by a man in a Santa Claus costume so I relate to that one scene in Gremlins") then they are fine. When Harry Knowles starts talking about what he'd like to do to a female actor in a film he's reviewing, or his review is 10 paragraphs about getting to the theater, vs. one paragraph about the movie, then I get pissed. But I don't see that on CHUD (maybe because Knowles doesn't post here? Could be).

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The criticism of grammar and sentence structure is valid, but what is the value of a pop culture website that doesn't have a point of view? If you just want clinical information you can get it from Variety or the Hollywood Reporter. And you get it with cool terminology like "boffo box office"!

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

There is a way to put a point of view into an article or review without inserting your own personal anecdotes/use of the first person. Look at Ebert -- yes, he'll use the first person, but much of the time, he doesn't, and you still get his viewpoint/where he's coming from. Is it as easy? No, and that's why I think you've seen a rise of it with the rise of "the internet" as a primary source of news and information -- you're writing for speed, and it's easier to just fall into "this is what I think." But I think writing should be a challenge, and I think by taking a step back -- even one as simple as saying "Okay, let's not talk about me, let's talk about the work" -- richer and more interesting things can be said about art. 

 

Keep in mind, I'm also talking from my own experience here. I used to do first person all the time, and still do -- but when I push myself to express my voice without saying "This is what I think", I find I produce better content. 

post #15 of 15

A personal viewpoint is fine, as long as it's focused and flows well and is germane to the point of the article, not some rambling reminiscences that meander all over the place only to snap back on track with, "Anyway..."

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