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post #51 of 89
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As somebody who has watched every season of Dexter and considers himself a fan...if you do watch it just watch Season 1.  That's the only time the show approached being good enough to keep up with some of the heavyweights you're working on anyhow.

I disagree, while season one is awesome television, I think season two is just as equally great, and I would recommend season 4 just because of the way it ends.

post #52 of 89
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Dexter is certainly no more in the category of "entertaining trash" than Sons of Anarchy which he already plans on watching though.

 

Haven't seen Sons so I can't speak to that. I got the impression it was a more highly regarded show than that.

 

I'll say this, when Dexter's bad it's REALLY bad. Aimless, draggy, stupid, filled with nonsensical character decisions and plots that either go nowhere or resolve in the most predictable way possible (hello, season 6!) When it comes together it can be pretty exciting, but it frequently fails to do so.

post #53 of 89

I think entertaining trash, I think True Blood. Sons is definitely higher class than that.

post #54 of 89

It is, but we're breathing pretty rarified air here in trying to give the kid a crash-course in the best TV has to offer.

post #55 of 89

I watched the first couple seasons of Dexter, and I feel about it the same way I feel about House, it's an ok show elevated by a great lead performance. It's decent, but certainly nowhere near the rest of the stuff we're talking about.

 

In answer to an earlier question, Terriers is available on Instant Watch. It's also only 13 episodes, and well worth your time (just ignore the terrible, terrible poster for the show).

 

You seem to be inundated with recommendations, and had quite a list already, so I will just make one recommendation: Friday Night Lights. It's a show I absolutely adore, and I would easily put it in the class of everything else that's been mentioned. It's tremendous character-based dramatic TV. Also, all 5 seasons are on Instant Watch.

post #56 of 89
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Reading this thread made me realize the absolute metric fuckton of superb TV the last decade brought us. Seriously. This was literally a Golden Age* and I'll fight anyone claiming otherwise.

 

*Capitalization very much intended.

 

You're quite right.   As the 70's were to movies, the 2000's were definitely the same for TV.   Not to already add to an enormous backlog, but if you are looking for great TV and arguably the show that started the Golden Age of TV, look no further than Twin Peaks.   The DNA for heavily serialized, singular TV series with a strong vision can be traced back to that strange show about Laura Palmer.

post #57 of 89
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I mentioned Twin Peaks in my first post. And I had considered Friday Night Lights, but maybe I'll add that once I whittle down my current viewing load.

 

Thanks for the recommendations, gents. Off to more Breaking Bad!

post #58 of 89

If you want some more watchable, trashy fun, I'd recommend "American Horror Story". It's good, tongue-in-cheek fun.

I was also a big fan of "Friday Night Lights". 

post #59 of 89

Two words:  Nip/Tuck.

 

Though don't bother watching past season 3.

post #60 of 89

I didn't see Twin Peaks up there the first time.   Alot of the middle of the second season is skipable and sort of goes off the rails in a big way but it rights itself at the end for one of the best series finales ever.   In any case, you're starting out right with Breaking Bad.   It's too early to call it, but it could very well be one of the best dramas ever on TV.   Your mileage may vary.   Arrested Development I'm less ambivilant on.  That IS the best comedy ever put on TV and it's a good pallette cleanser between heavily dramatic episodes of BB.   The good thing about AD is that when you go back and watch it, you'll notice alot of stuff you didn't catch the first time or even the second or third.   Those episodes are dense with jokes.   Have fun on your TV journey.   I envy you.

post #61 of 89
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Breaking Bad, "Gray Matter":

 

-Seriously, where did this Aaron Paul guy come from? His assimilation of Walter's desire for quality product was amazing to behold from an acting perspective. The same goes for the awkward bank interview, and his realization at what he is actually being considered for job-wise.

 

-I like that Marie is starting to be portrayed as a little smarter and more sympathetic; she seemed slightly more exaggerated than she needed to be in earlier episodes, but her point about the potential misery of living with chemotherapy is an entirely valid one, acted well by Betsy Brandt. Yes, Skylar (am I spelling it right?) is totally sympathetic in her desire to see Walt live, but I love how Anna Gunn plays the realization that she might not have been thinking of this from Walt's perspective, especially once he explains himself.

 

-Speaking of, if that speech wasn't Cranston's Emmy submission, I'll eat my hat. The whole scene is great, but once he gets the talking pillow, it goes to an entirely new level.

 

-One thing I haven't mentioned is how well this show uses music, one of the few things it has in common with Mad Men besides general excellence. It knows exactly when and where to use it, and when silence is more appropriate.

 

-Seriously, the idea that some fans HATE Skylar baffles me, especially at this point. She's acting a little selfish, sure, but the show calls her on that, and she has the good grace to realize it.

 

-"Wanna cook?" Cut to black. Roll credits.

 

I think I'm just gonna go through this all the way and then get back to Mad Men, especially since Season 4 isn't on Instant yet.

post #62 of 89
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Seriously, where did this Aaron Paul guy come from?

I first remember seeing him on Big Love, which had some decent moments until its final couple of seasons.

post #63 of 89
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I think I'm just gonna go through this all the way and then get back to Mad Men, especially since Season 4 isn't on Instant yet.

 

I've said this every time somebody gets hooked on Breaking Bad.  I'm jealous.  I remember watching Season 1 and how good it was, how it got its hooks into me so quickly.  Then you take into account that it somehow gets better (and it does).  It's just amazing television and I'm jealous when other people are discovering it for the first time because I remember how awesome that felt.

post #64 of 89
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I think I'm just gonna go through this all the way and then get back to Mad Men, especially since Season 4 isn't on Instant yet.

 

Heh, I figured this was coming but I didn't think it would be that quick; "Crazy Handful of Nothing" being the big standout episode of the 1st season, I thought that would be the place where you'd go "you know, everything else can wait a bit, I gotta see where this is going."

post #65 of 89

When Chris mentioned his plan of alternating Breaking Bad with other shows, I thought "yeah, that probably won't happen."

 

I'm rewatching BB S4 right now, and the only thing that has kept me from plowing through the whole thing is my job. Stupid jobs.

post #66 of 89
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Well, I'll still watch the other shows on discs when they come in. But Breaking Bad is definitely the priority at the moment.

post #67 of 89
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Breaking Bad, "Gray Matter":

 

-Seriously, where did this Aaron Paul guy come from? His assimilation of Walter's desire for quality product was amazing to behold from an acting perspective. The same goes for the awkward bank interview, and his realization at what he is actually being considered for job-wise.

I always liked how, compared to Walt, yeah, Jesse is an idiot, but among his even MORE idiotic friends he's freakin' Plato, Aristotle and Socrates rolled into one. In the land of the blind and all that...

post #68 of 89

This thread has me THIS CLOSE to pulling the trigger on all the seasons on Blu at Amazon.  $13, $17, $23, $25 in order with free shipping and I'd have them waiting for me on Monday...

post #69 of 89

The show looks wonderful on Blu. The broad desert vistas are beautiful. One thing both Mad Men and Breaking Bad don't get enough credit for is having a visual palette as striking as the storytelling.

post #70 of 89

Yeah, I mentioned that over in the "best episodes" list, I think Breaking Bad is easily the most cinematic show on TV. It regularly has shots that blow me away, it's just a gorgeously shot show.

post #71 of 89

Somehow I just had a feeling BB would come before all else. You've chosen wisely. 

 

And did I see Entourage mentioned in this thread?!?! I'll assume that was some pitch-black humor. 

post #72 of 89
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Well, Crazy Handful of Nothin' certainly lived up to its title. The game has changed. Walter's in it for good now. And nothing will ever be the same.

post #73 of 89

What happened to this?  Decide you learned enough?

post #74 of 89
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Somehow I just had a feeling BB would come before all else. You've chosen wisely. 

And did I see Entourage mentioned in this thread?!?! I'll assume that was some pitch-black humor. 

Entourage is a guilty pleasure, but it was extremely strong in it's early seasons and packed with world class cameos. I think it is thread-worthy.

I'm about to go through Breaking Bad season four which I bought on iTunes. I am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out how things play out from the Season 3 finale. I hope Chris will fill us in on his thoughts as he continues through the series.
post #75 of 89
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Entourage is a guilty pleasure, but it was extremely strong in it's early seasons and packed with world class cameos. I think it is thread-worthy.
 

 

Good lord, is it ever not.  Even in its stronger early seasons it's amusing but eminently forgettable.  The idea is for him to experience the best TV has to offer.  That means "guilty pleasures" like Entourage, Nip/Tuck, and American Horror Story are all waaaaay out of the picture, and even sporadically-brilliant pulp like Dexter or Sons of Anarchy should be twentieth in line at most.

post #76 of 89
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Yeah, got kinda sidetracked with Korra and other stuff. I definitely plan to get back into the swing of things soon, but updates might be more sporadic. I think I'll just do general overviews of the seasons I watch, so I don't feel as pressured.

post #77 of 89
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Good lord, is it ever not.  Even in its stronger early seasons it's amusing but eminently forgettable.  The idea is for him to experience the best TV has to offer.  That means "guilty pleasures" like Entourage, Nip/Tuck, and American Horror Story are all waaaaay out of the picture, and even sporadically-brilliant pulp like Dexter or Sons of Anarchy should be twentieth in line at most.

I can understand not including it in this thread, but I just think there is an argument to be made for it, that's all; the show is very well respected among some people. If you want to leave it out that is fine.
post #78 of 89
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When Chris mentioned his plan of alternating Breaking Bad with other shows, I thought "yeah, that probably won't happen."

 

I'm rewatching BB S4 right now, and the only thing that has kept me from plowing through the whole thing is my job. Stupid jobs.

doing the same with season 3 as it's finally aired on terrestrial over here.


Recently watched Fly again.  Fuck me dead, that's a fantastic episode.  Direction, cinematography, screenplay, acting.  Just brilliant.

 

If I had the time I'd love to hardcore Seasons 1-4 again ready for the start of 5.

post #79 of 89
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If I had the time I'd love to hardcore Seasons 1-4 again ready for the start of 5.

I probably don't have time, but I'm going to try anyway. I plowed through S4 in a couple of days and now I want to rewatch the entire thing. IS IT JULY 15TH YET???

post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by Chris Spider View Post

Yeah, got kinda sidetracked with Korra and other stuff. I definitely plan to get back into the swing of things soon, but updates might be more sporadic. I think I'll just do general overviews of the seasons I watch, so I don't feel as pressured.

I'm watching for the first time, and I'm about halfway through Season 4. Trust me. Drop everything. Get back in there. Show never stops getting better.

post #81 of 89
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Yeah, I think I'm just going to put this thread on hold for the foreseeable future. I do still have most of these shows in my respective Netflix queues, but feeling like this is an obligation rather than a pleasure is kind of stressful. I want to go through this stuff at my own pace. That, and I got back into Futurama recently, and I need to catch up on that as well.

 

Maybe I'll do a relative update in a few months once I finish more shows.

post #82 of 89
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Slight update: I've been revisiting Futurama (still love it, even the new stuff) lately, and that in turn inspired me to go check out another late, lamented FOX comedy that is now getting revived: Arrested Development.

 

Well, I'm five episodes in, and I think I'll finish this before I get back into drama. For one thing, the shorter sitcom length makes it go down a little easier than 50-minute dramas. For another, it's friggin' fantastic. A few random observations:

 

-The entire cast is freaking great. Jason Bateman makes for a wonderful not-quite-straight man; he has that frustrated affability, but also the hints of a more Bluth-like selfish edge. Will Arnett, David Cross and Jeffrey Tambor steal all their scenes, and I already pretty much worshiped at all their altars. Arnett is a particular revelation in his physical comedy, as I primarily knew him through his voicework on various projects. I knew Jessica Walter through Archer (which I now realize is basically this show crossed with James Bond), so I wasn't surprised that she's great in an admittedly similar role. Watching Michael Cera is weird because his voice is MUCH higher here, almost like he hadn't gone through puberty yet, but his likable awkwardness and deadpan comic timing are already in full force ("I think I'm gonna quit. Theater's dead."). I wasn't terribly familiar with Portia de Rossi, Tony Hale or Alia Shawkat before this, but they're all wonderful too. Hale really does seem like a guy who's never completely grown up, Shawkat is smart and savvy, and de Rossi particularly shines in her scenes with Bateman.

 

-Oh, and the presentation of the show is great as well. I can definitely see the influence this had on shows like 30 Rock, the American Office and Modern Family in terms of camerawork and editing. Honestly, it almost seems like a live-action cartoon at points when it gleefully cuts away to underline a joke: "I love all my children equally!" Earlier that day... "I don't care for GOB." And of course Ron Howard's narration strikes the perfect note, with barely repressed sarcasm and a slightly loopy tone at points.

 

-Apparently I accidentally watched "Charity Drive" before "Visiting Ours" because Netflix has them in broadcast order rather than the proper DVD order. Ah well.

 

-Who knew Liza Minelli was a natural physical comedian? She's my favorite guest so far. Clint Howard was fine, but was mostly doing his "creepy Clint Howard" thing. That will probably change as things go forward (Henry Winkler! Martin Mull! Carl Weathers! John Michael Higgins! Scott Baio?), but Liza's great, and just as charming as she was back in the day.

 

-STEVE HOLT! Him being completely game to play Beatrice was terrific.

 

-Going through this brings to mind the recent debates about "likable" characters on TV. I don't necessarily LIKE most of these characters, but I can understand where a lot of their issues and frustrations come from already, and so some of their more seemingly despicable decisions don't get as much of a rise out of me. Having at least two characters (Buster and Tobias) who are less "bad" than "confused and uncertain" helps balance out the rest. It helps that the other characters are completely aware they're screwed up, and I like little moments like George, Sr.'s genuine anger at GOB for sending George-Michael to break into the permit office.

 

-The Staircar is just hilarious in existing at all.

 

I've also been going back to the classic Simpsons well, and it's reminded me that while I still really really LIKE it, my first Groening love will always be Futurama. It's absolutely a matter of personal preference, as well as the fact that I wasn't allowed to watch much Simpsons growing up; by the time Futurama was on, my parents were much less restricting (and it wasn't ever BAD, I just couldn't watch most PG-13 movies until I was about 7, and R movies until I was about 11 or 12), and so I experienced more of it as fresh and new.

post #83 of 89

Yeah, Arrested Development tends to go quickly because it didn't run for long and it's just so enjoyable.

post #84 of 89

Every time I go back to Arrested Development it amazes me again just how unbelievably great it is. The cast is perfect, and the writing is as good as comedy writing will ever get. I love a lot of comedies, but AD is so far and away the best televised comedy of all time, it's not even close.

 

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 I knew Jessica Walter through Archer (which I now realize is basically this show crossed with James Bond), so I wasn't surprised that she's great in an admittedly similar role.

 

Yeah, once you see both of them, you realize that Malory and Lucille are basically the exact same character.

 

Also, if you're not familiar with de Rossi, I assume that means you haven't seen Better Off Ted, which you should immediately add to your list. It's great.

post #85 of 89
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Roughly the only things I knew about de Rossi before AD was that she was an actress, and dated Ellen DeGeneres at some point, or is still with her. I will consider Better Off Ted.

 

Regarding Walter, there is a subtle difference between her work here and Archer. She sounds a little more down-to-earth here, whereas on Archer she's "putting on" or exaggerating her voice, which you kind of have to do in animation to one degree or another.

post #86 of 89
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Also, just had a crazy idea: have Bateman and Cera guest on Archer as a father-son assassin team. "What's the most important thing?" "Killing?" "Family." For bonus points, give them scenes with Jessica Walter, Judy Greer or both (heck, bring in Tambor's character).

post #87 of 89
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Every time I go back to Arrested Development it amazes me again just how unbelievably great it is. The cast is perfect, and the writing is as good as comedy writing will ever get. I love a lot of comedies, but AD is so far and away the best televised comedy of all time, it's not even close.

Absolutely, and each episode is stuffed with so many jokes, callbacks, visual gags, puns and assorted wordplay that you can rewatch them over and over. I put on the first episode of Season 2 a while back because I was bored, and ended up plowing through the season all over again in a matter of days.

post #88 of 89
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Yeah, I think I'm just going to put this thread on hold for the foreseeable future. I do still have most of these shows in my respective Netflix queues, but feeling like this is an obligation rather than a pleasure is kind of stressful. I want to go through this stuff at my own pace. That, and I got back into Futurama recently, and I need to catch up on that as well.

 

 

Dude, this thread was your idea. Hilarious. You're like the guy who asks out the girl and then immediately says "things are going too quickly, I need some space" 

post #89 of 89
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More AD thoughts:

 

-"JESSIE HAD GONE TOO FAR, AND SHE HAD BEST WATCH HER MOUTH." Ron Howard's calmly furious delivery on that line absolutely killed me.

 

-In a weird way, this almost brings to mind what a live-action Simpsons would be like. It uses every type of humor imaginable: subtle character tics and interactions, farcical plot twists, slapstick, rapid-fire dialogue, jokes about celebrities, self-aware meta gags... The only big difference style-wise is the narrator, and even he seems like a Simpsons character in his strange way of looking at things.

 

-Also great: characters constantly misinterpreting others thanks to their own biases and perceptions. Tobias thinking George-Michael is also a "never nude" when he's really just a nervous teenage boy is a prime example. And of course Michael and Gob's complete helplessness in the face of the Spanish language.

 

-Poor communication seems to be a theme, actually, especially in "Pier Pressure" where the only person who actually gets his points across is George, Sr... and he does it in the most hilariously terrible way. 

 

-Is it bad that I barely noticed Marta switched actresses?

 

-As great as Tony Hale has been as Buster, I think the character's potential is much higher now that he's out of Lucille's house.

 

-I love George, Sr.'s cheesy self-help videos. They strike the exact balance of pomposity, sincerity and ridiculously cheap production values.

 

-George-Michael's horrified "please stop telling me these things" expression as Tobias rants about his marital difficulties was pure gold.

 

-Gob valiantly giving up his chance to flee to Portugal so he could help Michael get back at Lucille was oddly touching.

 

-"You said that? You said that to my son?" "Yeah." "...You're on your own. Ladies?" One of Bateman's best moments yet. I loved how we only heard the fight after it started: "My FACE!"

 

-Carl Weathers playing himself as a ludicrously thrifty moocher is not something I expected to see when starting this show.

 

-Why *was* Jessie so intent on dating Michael? It seems like potentially sleeping with a public relations client would be counterproductive to your job as a PR rep. Especially when you try and tell his son to his face that he's ruining Dad's chance at happiness.

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