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post #151 of 161

Brave's a weird movie for me because the main thrust of the film(the mother daughter relationship) was so oddly close to my own experiences with my mother that it was actively hard to get critical about the movie. It's not until I saw this a second time with my nephew, and free from any baggage from the first viewing that I realized how flawed so much of the movie is.

 

I like it, but it really does feel like a lesser Pixar film.

post #152 of 161
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After watching this again, I came to like La Luna much, much more as a story about a boy learning to find his own way and develop his own identity while his father and his grandfather both try to impose their respective characters upon him. It's much less fluffy than I gave it credit for, and it of course remains very, very beautiful. 

 

For the film itself-- I still think it works. But it is very much under-served in a few areas. I really wanted Merida and Elinor to have more time spent bonding with one another in the woods, particularly along the lines of the river scene, which is quite lovely. But I think that would have meant adding onto the story, since there's very little here that can actually be removed easily. Nothing wrong with additional footage, I say-- this is a mercurial movie. It just breezes by. And while that's kind of nice for its own reasons, I think it could have done with some drawing-out. Coming out of the theater, I wanted more time with mom and daughter, and I wanted to see a little bit more of how their adventure changed them in the postscript. 

 

Also, re: Merida not really using her bow. She uses it plenty-- salmon fishing!-- but when it comes to the climax, her bow is useless. She's already put arrows into Mordu, and she knows that she just made him mad. Besides, I don't think that the bow defines her; it's only one symbol among many of her defiance of her role as a princess.

post #153 of 161

I've come simply to leave this link to some really terrific thoughts on this movie:

 

http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2012/08/variations-on-a-queen

post #154 of 161

This is great stuff. It doesn't really change my reaction to the film, but I love reading it.

 

EDIT:  Though, I think the piece that also deserved to be linked is the one that FatherDude's link cites:

 

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/just-another-princess-movie/


Edited by mcnooj82 - 8/15/12 at 12:01pm
post #155 of 161

Nooj, I am partially through your article and eagerly anticipating Fatherdude's.  I truly enjoyed the film myself, and one of the things I like about getting old(er) is that I have learned to really value protagonists (book, movie, videogame) that are NOT like me, that see the world differently, and respond differently.  I thought Brave was mid-tier Pixar when I saw it, and these articles are somewhat refreshing.  It *is* mid-tier Pixar, which is where great movies live.  It may have some flaws, but it is tremendously ballsy in execution, and I appreciated (more than I can convey) the journey of the film.

 

Thanks for sharing, lest Pixar not get some of the credit they rightly deserve.

post #156 of 161
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This is great stuff. It doesn't really change my reaction to the film, but I love reading it.

 

EDIT:  Though, I think the piece that also deserved to be linked is the one that FatherDude's link cites:

 

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/just-another-princess-movie/

 

Had to give you a thumbs up for this, Nooj. Amazing article. Three things I love:

 

1) The way that it unravels the meaning of the title, applying it to the people behind the film and also to Merida in myriad ways. The bravest thing she winds up doing in a story where she defies her mother, struggles to undo her mistakes, fights her father, and clashes with a Demonic Hell Bear, is admit that she was wrong and she did wrong and that she made mistakes. In my life I've learned that very little is more difficult than owning up to your flaws and misdoings.

 

2) The way that the article views the movie as something of a subversion of the very notion of "fate". After Fergus loses his leg in the beginning and crows about how he's gonna kill that fucking Demonic Hell Bear for the entire movie-- and it seems so set in stone that he will-- it's Elinor who winds up destroying Mordu, not Fergus. (As an example.)

 

3) The way the author isn't afraid to suggest that the reason Brave was described in terms of lacking depth is because many men are insufficiently equipped to properly read and analyze themes and ideas of a female-centric story.

post #157 of 161

Well, I thought it was fantastic. I managed to go this long without learning the movie's 'twist', and while watching it, found myself really having to pee shortly after the visit to the witch.

So I go to loo, come back, sit down, watch for a minute, and say "I feel I may have missed some important developments."

The "Legend of Mor'Du" short on the disc is also pretty great, and just reinforces my desire to one day see Pixar do a feature length 2D animation. 

post #158 of 161

It's not that I necessarily think Brave lacks depth. What it lacks is a certain focus.

post #159 of 161

Finally got around to watching this; I think that article hits somewhat upon what I liked the movie as much as I did. Brave's strongest aspect is the mother/daughter relationship, and it's where I think Brave is at its most "Miyazaki." So often, the problem with characterizing women is that the narratives--often written by men--shy away from making women "too feminine" for fear of turning off (male) viewers, so a strong female is often just a guy with tits. What I like about Brave is that, with the character Elinor, it stresses that femininity is just as much a strength as the traditional male qualities. Despite the fact that Elinor spends much of the first half of the film trying to get Merida to accept tradition, she's never treated as the villain; in fact, Elinor's mother-hen qualities are just as strong as Merida's bow skills.

 

 

I kind of think Elinor is the stand-out character of the film and thought she was the most engrossing character once the twist occured. 

 

With that said, I do agree the film is fairly flawed and the second half of Brave is kinda undercooked.

post #160 of 161

Listening to the guy who ended up directing the movie talk, he keeps going back to streamlining the production process and getting the movie out of the door. Brave would have greatly beenfited from another pass over the script, in order to get the bear transformation right. The magic pie and the reasoning behind it all is sloppy and lazy. As it is, its a fantastic first half, a strong finish, and a gibberish pivot.

post #161 of 161
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Listening to the guy who ended up directing the movie talk, he keeps going back to streamlining the production process and getting the movie out of the door. Brave would have greatly beenfited from another pass over the script, in order to get the bear transformation right. The magic pie and the reasoning behind it all is sloppy and lazy. As it is, its a fantastic first half, a strong finish, and a gibberish pivot.

Sadly that makes a lot of sense since all that Bear stuff felt rushed and incomplete. And it's a damn shame since this is probably the closest Pixar ever (and most like will ever) get to making a Miyazaki-like film. It would have benefited from having all that woodland spirits stuff fleshed out.  

 

I did love Bear-Elinor though--she was absolutely adorable.

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