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post #151 of 1215

The most boring aspect of this new Spider-man is the predictable critical respons.

post #152 of 1215

I don't know, you being gushing about middle-of-the-road, creatively moribund studio pap is pretty predictable.
 

post #153 of 1215

I dont even think that this film is worth arguing about peeps....I can see why Prometheus generated this level of debate but not this.

 

You can sum it up in two ways

 

1. if you havent seen Raimi's originals then its great

2. If you have then its largely redundant

 

If you look at the mid-way point between these opposing views its 3 stars which is what it seems to be getting everywhere.

 

now lets get back to speculating on Marvel Studios surprise movie for 2014!!

post #154 of 1215

Yes Merriweather, and I'm sure your reaction will be a great surprise!

 

Lloyd that is exactly what I'm talking about.
 

post #155 of 1215
Worse than GREEN LANTERN.
post #156 of 1215

Woooooooow, seriously?  Green Lantern was a mess with every choice that was made.  It can't be THAT poorly thought out.

post #157 of 1215
Green Lantern tries. This movie doesn't do anything more than present itself as a giant cash-grab. Uncle Ben's death is unearned and could have easily been avoided.
post #158 of 1215

I'll have more on what you just said later tonight I suppose.

 

For the record, Ebert calls this the best Spidey movie behind Spiderman 2.  High praise, for what Ebert's worth these days.

post #159 of 1215
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For the record, Ebert calls this the best Spidey movie behind Spiderman 2.  High praise, for what Ebert's worth these days.

 

Ebert might have gotten too far up his ass with all the political tweets. But I'll never stop reading his reviews. Still wish he was doing his show with undead Siskel or Roeper.

post #160 of 1215

Undead Roeper or normal Roeper?

post #161 of 1215

Strike that.

 

Undead Siskel & Robo-Ebert. Who wouldn't watch that?

post #162 of 1215

"Until next time, the coffin's closed."

post #163 of 1215

Come on now. This isn't as bad as Green Lantern. I mean, it blows, but... let's not be cruel here.

post #164 of 1215
If I wanted to be cruel I'd have said it was worse than RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER.
post #165 of 1215

I would volunteer that it is worse than Rise of the Silver Surfer.

post #166 of 1215

You're both high.

post #167 of 1215

I like Rise of the Silver Surfer. I'm such an asshole.

post #168 of 1215

The important thing is you have the balls to admit it, shame or no.  That's a the sign of a man.  Who likes shitty movies.  But a MAN dammit.

post #169 of 1215

I also offer a slight love for Rise of The Silver Surfer as well, well at least I fast forward to his scenes and skip the rest. Best part of the film easily.

post #170 of 1215
You're all idiots for liking SILVER SURFER.

Yes I'm completely serious...this coming from a man who gets enjoyment out of the TWILIGHT SAGA, which should tell you how serious I am.
post #171 of 1215

Okay, now I'm going to actually have to defend the Silver Surfer people from the Twilight lover.  Wtf internet.  Stop showing me these horrible things!

post #172 of 1215
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Fuck this movie.

 

Somewhere close to the boring-ass ninety minute mark of this interminable 136 minute bad decision (?) I just felt the urge. To get up and be an asshole. To Max Cady this shit. To try to get some sleep. Hell, maybe leave. In the most predictable genre in all of moviemaking, how is it possible that the average moron (me) could be at least five steps ahead of every major plot development?

 

The costume looks great in motion. The action sequences were adequate to good, in some cases better than the Raimi version. Super duper. Also, Spidey gets the idea of his mask from a luchador. It's the single notable contribution in this film from a minority, aside from Irfan Khan's exposition-spouting middle manager who seems to vanish from the second half of the movie. New York City has apparently gotten less diverse since Spider-Man 3.

 

The rest? Maybe if this film had the novelty of being the first big budget Spider-Man film, we could accept waiting about an hour to put him in the suit. But it's not, so don't fuck us around with that Massive Slice Of Ham that is Sally Field, with the funny Emma Stone playing a thankless love interest (who ends up carrying her man's orders, because), and with a moral that doesn't believe in itself.

 

Raimi's movies were corny, but they sincerely believed that Parker could be a good guy, and that his mistakes would bite him in the ass. Here, there are no real consequences for his SuperDickery. Even Uncle Ben's death comes with a side of Old Man Hubris that legit separates Peter from the blame. Peter "goes too far" and bullies Flash Thompson by stealing his basketball, playing Keep Away, then dunking from the foul line, destroying the glass.  Pretty sure that sort of thing gets you scholarships.

 

Maybe it's sleepy-ass Rhys Ifans, who has no real motivation until a goofy eleventh-hour villain plot that involves biochemical weaponry that no scientist would endorse. Though he's also got an evil lizard voice inside him that instructs him on how to be evil, so that's cool. He's also got a "dying" boss with vague needs who teleports around like a supernatural weirdo. To be explained in the sequel, presumably.

 

Making Peter "smarter" and more interested in science works. It doesn't work, though, if you're going to have him poking around OsCorp like a scientist on the Prometheus. It doesn't work when he tries to romance Gwen by going to dinner and blindly mouthing off to her father. It doesn't work when you make him wear a hoodie to beat up every grunge rocker who looks like his Uncle's murderer in town, like this character should ever be driven by bloodlust. It doesn't work when he's a casual asshole vandal who, at one point, develops mastery over his powers in what has to be a scene echoing the dance-rage in both "Flashdances." For the record, the Peter/Flash bullying ratio is something like 3-1 in Peter's favor. Wait, who's the bully here?

 

Taking away the needlessness of a new Spidey origin, this movie's perfunctory pacing, slapdash craft (some 70's Italian-style ADR work here), ersatz characterizations and motivation-less action sequences is probably one of the most useless movies I'll see all year.

 

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post #173 of 1215

It wasn't that bad.

 

Garfield and Stone are great together. And i think i liked the Spidey action and suit better than that in the Raimi films. Plotwise its basically a rehash of the Origin story. The "Untold Story" of Peter's parents is only touched on a little here. No big revealations.

 

I see this as just another interpetation of the Spidey story. You can prefer the Raimi film to this. But i there's definitely some merit and positve stuff in this reboot. Not a souless cash grab like the TOTAL RECALL rermake is. Webb, Garfield and Stone all put in some genuine effort here. I'll rank this much better than the FANTASTIC FOUR, GHOST RIDER or ELEKTRA tier of films.

 

By the way not all the stuff from the Trailers made it into the film. (E.g The Peter meets Gwen's Doorman scene is missing.)

post #174 of 1215

Everything that's okay about this movie was done better by Raimi, everything new is disjointed and clunky. Raimi cared, this feels like product, and a sloppy one at that with plot threads that fall by the wayside. Every once in a while the film sparks to life, you get a sense that it could have been something and there's no question that the performers are all excellent, but everything's cribbed. There's no sense of the power/responsibilty, there's no great drive to the character, and they do a piss poor job of establishing Parker as a person. The subway sequence - where he first finds out he has powers is meant to be clever but it just makes him a dick. And what's great about the Raimi film is that when Uncle Ben dies, it means something. This films ends with a flirtation sequence that is so offensive and gross in the context of where the characters are emotionally that it proves there's absolutely nothing to this film.

 

I found it offensive. There's not enough of a voice here to justify revisiting something, and though - yes - we've had films that have rebooted, when it comes to something like BATMAN BEGINS, showing how Batman became Batman was at least new to the screen. If they were honest and called this a remake, that might actually have made it better, but this, this is just a naked fuck you cash grab. Most movies just want your money, but there is no point to ever watching this film when you can watch the Raimi version.

post #175 of 1215
post #176 of 1215

Well, I am shocked, shocked that the director of 50 Days of Summer made a mediocre movie.

post #177 of 1215
Was 50 Days of Summer the prequel?
post #178 of 1215

So, for those of you that have seen it, what are those faaaaabulous silver soles on his feet for?
 

post #179 of 1215
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(E.g The Peter meets Gwen's Doorman scene is missing.)

That's funny considering the fact that when this scene was released online, the general reaction seemed to be, "Why the fuck is this our first glimpse at the new Spider-Man movie's Peter Parker? It looks more like a deleted scene". Turns out that's exactly what it was! biggrin.gif

post #180 of 1215

I certainly didn't miss it.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Some other stuff that was deleted out.

1) Peter's "Too Dangerous" line when he catches that football and the Coach calls him out.

2) Gwen's "My father has over 500 officers looking for you." line is gone. Also Peter's wounds look a lot worse than what we assumed from the Trailers.

3) "If you want the truth Peter. Come and get it." I get the impression that a lot of stuff concerning the Parker parent's dissapearance was cut out. 

 

post #181 of 1215

Wow, sounds like a TON is missing.

post #182 of 1215

Definitely some of the Parent's stuff was cut out.

 

To the Comic Geeks out there, wasn't there a storyline many years back that Peter's parents were OSS or Red Skull Agents like that?

post #183 of 1215

Yeah. It didn't make a lick of sense.

 

Does anyone mind sharing the Stan Lee cameo? I keep hearing it's good.

post #184 of 1215
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By the way not all the stuff from the Trailers made it into the film. (E.g The Peter meets Gwen's Doorman scene is missing.)

 

That explains why it reeked of a deleted scene.  It WAS one! 

 

Or, what Naisu said!

post #185 of 1215

Here you go.

 

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He plays a Music Teacher in Peter's school. Stan's listening to his headphones oblivious while Spidey and The Lizard fight in the background.

 

The scene actually works better than it sounds.

 

post #186 of 1215

Thanks

post #187 of 1215

felix, Read...Maximum Carnage, as Parker's father is in that story.  I think Richard Parker was supposed to be some kind of secret agent or something.  I like that Peter wants to know more of whom his parents were.  It fits with him being an only child too.

post #188 of 1215
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Worse than GREEN LANTERN.

 

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post #189 of 1215

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post #190 of 1215

meh, echoing the same sentiment -- it's nothing you don't already know, and if you're okay with that, you'll enjoy it somewhat.

 

I think the problem spidey keeps running up against in all these movies is, they can't seem to come up with any real compelling arc for him. the structure of this one was very linear and motivation-based -- he wants to know about his father, so he visits Curt Connors. Uncle Ben gets killed, so he becomes a vigilante to hunt down the culprit, etc... it all "holds up" to logic, but emotionally it's pretty meaningless. this has nothing to do with going "darker" or nolan-ing the mythos... I just don't think peter parker has anything to work through. he's spider-man because he has powers, there's not much for him to accomplish internally.

 

this was especially apparent to me when we have the "big moment" (with requisite swelling score) as spidey preps himself to make a leap off a building with his injured leg. the movie was treating it as if it was forrest gump running off his brace, but in the context of the movie it was completely isolated and hollow. he wasn't overcoming anything, and it wasn't the culmination of any personal journey... it was just a wounded guy pulling off an impressive leap.

 

there's also such a poor transition between mumbly, awkward peter parker and the sudden wise-cracking smart ass he becomes whenever he puts the suit on. I don't think any of the movies have bridged this gap successfully, and I always find it really jarring. I mean, I love sarcastic spidey, and wouldn't have it any other way, but still...

 

and did anyone else notice the nod to donald glover on peter's bulletin board?

post #191 of 1215

What was the Donglover nod?

post #192 of 1215
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What was the Donglover nod?


When you type it that way, it sounds like you're talking about someone who loves penises. Did you do that on purpose, or did you just forget to hit the space bar? cool.gif

post #193 of 1215

It's intentional as that is actually Donald Glover's twitter handle.

post #194 of 1215
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It's intentional as that is actually Donald Glover's twitter handle.

 

Former. He changed it to @donaldglover when he gained a little more notoriety. Which I think is sad.

post #195 of 1215

Yeah. It was a wrong move. One shouldn't spit in the face of such serendipitous events.

post #196 of 1215

He jokes about it in his stand up.  Speaking of which I really wish he was Spiderman...

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post #198 of 1215

Don't you miss having Devin around to loom over threads like this and growl "Why are you posting in a post-release thread? None of you have seen it yet. Robble robble. Piracy sucks."

post #199 of 1215

No.

post #200 of 1215

Quite honestly, I'm a little sick of Devin still being brought up at some point in seemingly every other thread in this forum.

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