The most boring aspect of this new Spider-man is the predictable critical respons.
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN post release discussion - Page 4
I dont even think that this film is worth arguing about peeps....I can see why Prometheus generated this level of debate but not this.
You can sum it up in two ways
1. if you havent seen Raimi's originals then its great
2. If you have then its largely redundant
If you look at the mid-way point between these opposing views its 3 stars which is what it seems to be getting everywhere.
now lets get back to speculating on Marvel Studios surprise movie for 2014!!
Ebert might have gotten too far up his ass with all the political tweets. But I'll never stop reading his reviews. Still wish he was doing his show with undead Siskel or Roeper.
Fuck this movie.
Somewhere close to the boring-ass ninety minute mark of this interminable 136 minute bad decision (?) I just felt the urge. To get up and be an asshole. To Max Cady this shit. To try to get some sleep. Hell, maybe leave. In the most predictable genre in all of moviemaking, how is it possible that the average moron (me) could be at least five steps ahead of every major plot development?
The costume looks great in motion. The action sequences were adequate to good, in some cases better than the Raimi version. Super duper. Also, Spidey gets the idea of his mask from a luchador. It's the single notable contribution in this film from a minority, aside from Irfan Khan's exposition-spouting middle manager who seems to vanish from the second half of the movie. New York City has apparently gotten less diverse since Spider-Man 3.
The rest? Maybe if this film had the novelty of being the first big budget Spider-Man film, we could accept waiting about an hour to put him in the suit. But it's not, so don't fuck us around with that Massive Slice Of Ham that is Sally Field, with the funny Emma Stone playing a thankless love interest (who ends up carrying her man's orders, because), and with a moral that doesn't believe in itself.
Raimi's movies were corny, but they sincerely believed that Parker could be a good guy, and that his mistakes would bite him in the ass. Here, there are no real consequences for his SuperDickery. Even Uncle Ben's death comes with a side of Old Man Hubris that legit separates Peter from the blame. Peter "goes too far" and bullies Flash Thompson by stealing his basketball, playing Keep Away, then dunking from the foul line, destroying the glass. Pretty sure that sort of thing gets you scholarships.
Maybe it's sleepy-ass Rhys Ifans, who has no real motivation until a goofy eleventh-hour villain plot that involves biochemical weaponry that no scientist would endorse. Though he's also got an evil lizard voice inside him that instructs him on how to be evil, so that's cool. He's also got a "dying" boss with vague needs who teleports around like a supernatural weirdo. To be explained in the sequel, presumably.
Making Peter "smarter" and more interested in science works. It doesn't work, though, if you're going to have him poking around OsCorp like a scientist on the Prometheus. It doesn't work when he tries to romance Gwen by going to dinner and blindly mouthing off to her father. It doesn't work when you make him wear a hoodie to beat up every grunge rocker who looks like his Uncle's murderer in town, like this character should ever be driven by bloodlust. It doesn't work when he's a casual asshole vandal who, at one point, develops mastery over his powers in what has to be a scene echoing the dance-rage in both "Flashdances." For the record, the Peter/Flash bullying ratio is something like 3-1 in Peter's favor. Wait, who's the bully here?
Taking away the needlessness of a new Spidey origin, this movie's perfunctory pacing, slapdash craft (some 70's Italian-style ADR work here), ersatz characterizations and motivation-less action sequences is probably one of the most useless movies I'll see all year.
It wasn't that bad.
Garfield and Stone are great together. And i think i liked the Spidey action and suit better than that in the Raimi films. Plotwise its basically a rehash of the Origin story. The "Untold Story" of Peter's parents is only touched on a little here. No big revealations.
I see this as just another interpetation of the Spidey story. You can prefer the Raimi film to this. But i there's definitely some merit and positve stuff in this reboot. Not a souless cash grab like the TOTAL RECALL rermake is. Webb, Garfield and Stone all put in some genuine effort here. I'll rank this much better than the FANTASTIC FOUR, GHOST RIDER or ELEKTRA tier of films.
By the way not all the stuff from the Trailers made it into the film. (E.g The Peter meets Gwen's Doorman scene is missing.)
Everything that's okay about this movie was done better by Raimi, everything new is disjointed and clunky. Raimi cared, this feels like product, and a sloppy one at that with plot threads that fall by the wayside. Every once in a while the film sparks to life, you get a sense that it could have been something and there's no question that the performers are all excellent, but everything's cribbed. There's no sense of the power/responsibilty, there's no great drive to the character, and they do a piss poor job of establishing Parker as a person. The subway sequence - where he first finds out he has powers is meant to be clever but it just makes him a dick. And what's great about the Raimi film is that when Uncle Ben dies, it means something. This films ends with a flirtation sequence that is so offensive and gross in the context of where the characters are emotionally that it proves there's absolutely nothing to this film.
I found it offensive. There's not enough of a voice here to justify revisiting something, and though - yes - we've had films that have rebooted, when it comes to something like BATMAN BEGINS, showing how Batman became Batman was at least new to the screen. If they were honest and called this a remake, that might actually have made it better, but this, this is just a naked fuck you cash grab. Most movies just want your money, but there is no point to ever watching this film when you can watch the Raimi version.
That's funny considering the fact that when this scene was released online, the general reaction seemed to be, "Why the fuck is this our first glimpse at the new Spider-Man movie's Peter Parker? It looks more like a deleted scene". Turns out that's exactly what it was!
I certainly didn't miss it.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Some other stuff that was deleted out.
1) Peter's "Too Dangerous" line when he catches that football and the Coach calls him out.
2) Gwen's "My father has over 500 officers looking for you." line is gone. Also Peter's wounds look a lot worse than what we assumed from the Trailers.
3) "If you want the truth Peter. Come and get it." I get the impression that a lot of stuff concerning the Parker parent's dissapearance was cut out.
That explains why it reeked of a deleted scene. It WAS one!
Or, what Naisu said!
felix, Read...Maximum Carnage, as Parker's father is in that story. I think Richard Parker was supposed to be some kind of secret agent or something. I like that Peter wants to know more of whom his parents were. It fits with him being an only child too.
meh, echoing the same sentiment -- it's nothing you don't already know, and if you're okay with that, you'll enjoy it somewhat.
I think the problem spidey keeps running up against in all these movies is, they can't seem to come up with any real compelling arc for him. the structure of this one was very linear and motivation-based -- he wants to know about his father, so he visits Curt Connors. Uncle Ben gets killed, so he becomes a vigilante to hunt down the culprit, etc... it all "holds up" to logic, but emotionally it's pretty meaningless. this has nothing to do with going "darker" or nolan-ing the mythos... I just don't think peter parker has anything to work through. he's spider-man because he has powers, there's not much for him to accomplish internally.
this was especially apparent to me when we have the "big moment" (with requisite swelling score) as spidey preps himself to make a leap off a building with his injured leg. the movie was treating it as if it was forrest gump running off his brace, but in the context of the movie it was completely isolated and hollow. he wasn't overcoming anything, and it wasn't the culmination of any personal journey... it was just a wounded guy pulling off an impressive leap.
there's also such a poor transition between mumbly, awkward peter parker and the sudden wise-cracking smart ass he becomes whenever he puts the suit on. I don't think any of the movies have bridged this gap successfully, and I always find it really jarring. I mean, I love sarcastic spidey, and wouldn't have it any other way, but still...
and did anyone else notice the nod to donald glover on peter's bulletin board?
When you type it that way, it sounds like you're talking about someone who loves penises. Did you do that on purpose, or did you just forget to hit the space bar?
Former. He changed it to @donaldglover when he gained a little more notoriety. Which I think is sad.
Devin's review is out.