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post #251 of 1215

By the way, since it was a free preview, we saw it in IMAX (well, LieMAX) 3D, and I have to say, the 3D is pretty damn good.  No blurriness, no headaches, just a bit of pinching on my nose from the glasses.  Still don't know if I would pay the upcharge for it, but if 3D is your thing, this is probably worth it.

post #252 of 1215

It saddens me that so many people thought this was mediocre, yet Sony still has your money and pointless reboots will continue.  It just feels pointless to even have seen it.

post #253 of 1215
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It saddens me that so many people thought this was mediocre, yet Sony still has your money and pointless reboots will continue.  It just feels pointless to even have seen it.

 

You'll never put a stop to this cycle as long as every person takes the approach of "NOBODY GIVE THIS MOVIE YOUR MONEY!*"

 

*except me because no one will tell me what opinion to have before I see it for myself

post #254 of 1215

I think it's more that this cycle will never stop because large groups of people will always pay money for recognisable products regardless of quality.

post #255 of 1215

I just don't see why people think because large groups of people will see this, that them personally NOT giving Sony money wont make any difference.  It's about YOU.  It's like "well, pointless reboots will always happen, so fuck it".  Why add to the pot?  Is Spider-Man so important a character that it must be seen?  What did this do that the Raimi film didn't do better...or at least equally?  You don't HAVE to go to the movies...or at least you don't have to see this movie.  There are others out.  Go see Brave again.

post #256 of 1215
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I just don't see why people think because large groups of people will see this, that them personally NOT giving Sony money wont make any difference.  It's about YOU.  It's like "well, pointless reboots will always happen, so fuck it".  Why add to the pot?  Is Spider-Man so important a character that it must be seen?  What did this do that the Raimi film didn't do better...or at least equally?  You don't HAVE to go to the movies...or at least you don't have to see this movie.  There are others out.  Go see Brave again.

 

 

If the movie sucks it'll bomb.  If the movie is good (re-gardless of a reboot) it'll make money.   It's really that simple.  People aren't stupid.  

post #257 of 1215
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If the movie sucks it'll bomb.  If the movie is good (re-gardless of a reboot) it'll make money.   It's really that simple.  People aren't stupid.  

 

More like if people don't like the movie, it'll bomb.  If people like the movie, it'll make money.  There have been plenty of poorly-reviewed films that have made money.  Hell, the Twilight series has made over a billion dollars.  Critics don't have nearly the sway over the mass audience we seem to want to give them credit for.

post #258 of 1215
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

 

More like if people don't like the movie, it'll bomb.  If people like the movie, it'll make money.  There have been plenty of poorly-reviewed films that have made money.  Hell, the Twilight series has made over a billion dollars.  Critics don't have nearly the sway over the mass audience we seem to want to give them credit for.

 

Good point.  

post #259 of 1215

So, aside from maybe Dickson, everyone who had made up their minds beforehand that they were going to like this movie liked it, and everyone who made up their minds that they weren't going to like it didn't. Much like the film itself, this consensus is pretty much a zero sum game.

post #260 of 1215
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More like if people don't like the movie, it'll bomb.  If people like the movie, it'll make money.  There have been plenty of poorly-reviewed films that have made money.  Hell, the Twilight series has made over a billion dollars.  Critics don't have nearly the sway over the mass audience we seem to want to give them credit for.

 

People sure like 'dem Transformers movies.

post #261 of 1215

Mr. Beaks is not a fan (some spoilers maybe): http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56736

post #262 of 1215
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Mr. Beaks is not a fan (some spoilers maybe): http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56736

 

I love the way he writes.

post #263 of 1215

Even at its most tedious, it's rarely infuriating.

 

Beaks really sums up my reaction to the movie.

post #264 of 1215

Could have been worse.  This could have been the source material: http://lileks.com/institute/funny/biglittle/22.html

post #265 of 1215

For those who've seen the movie, any thoughts on the post credits scene? They actually gave it away in the trailer.

post #266 of 1215

It's nothing.  Could be Norman Osbourne, but there's no way to know.  Dumb.

post #267 of 1215

The New Spider-Man film is...Amazing!  Everything is simply...Better than Raimi's Trilogy.  Peter Parker is a scientific genius and he is able to deliver what Dr. Curt Conners is looking for.  Emma Stone is...Perfectly cast as Gwen Stacy.  Denis Leary is equally great as Gwen's dad Captain Stacy.  The casting for this film is...Sensational.  Rhys Ifans is Properly...EEEEEEEvil!  The fight scenes are...Spectacular!  This is...Easilly a...Top 5 film for me!

post #268 of 1215
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The New Spider-Man film is...Amazing!  Everything is simply...Better than Raimi's Trilogy.  Peter Parker is a scientific genius and he is able to deliver what Dr. Curt Conners is looking for.  Emma Stone is...Perfectly cast as Gwen Stacy.  Denis Leary is equally great as Gwen's dad Captain Stacy.  The casting for this film is...Sensational.  Rhys Ifans is Properly...EEEEEEEvil!  The fight scenes are...Spectacular!  This is...Easilly a...Top 5 film for me!

 

Dammit!  Can't wait to see this!

post #269 of 1215

The reaction around the net so far seems to be critics think it's pretty good to great, while Spider man fans/ Spidey fan critics dislike to loath it.  Movie Bob's review is borderline embarrassingly hyperbolic.  The biggest complaint is Peter Parker.  Lots of fans think this is a betrayal of the character, completely shedding his dorky sincerity and like ability as a responsible hero and instead making him a whiny/unlikeable/emo punk.  What can I say?  I don't agree, I liked the kid, I related to him a lot.  I guess that makes me an asshole.

 

What worries me is that the critical response so far reminds me a lot of Crystal Skull, a movie that got strong critical response that I thought was OK at first, and grew to hate as time went on.  I hope I don't grow to hate this movie the more I think about it.

post #270 of 1215

I just think Garfield is too good looking for an outcast nerd, which is why I like Tobey McGuire a lot as Peter. He's endearing, he's not that great looking, he's easy to miss in a crowd. He puts on a mask and all of a sudden he's got everyone's attention.

post #271 of 1215

I'm seeing a lot of wishes that Parker starts as a Chronicle style outcast loser. 

post #272 of 1215
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I just think Garfield is too good looking for an outcast nerd, which is why I like Tobey McGuire a lot as Peter. He's endearing, he's not that great looking, he's easy to miss in a crowd. He puts on a mask and all of a sudden he's got everyone's attention.

 

Garfield is good looking but not a Brad Pitt stands out from a crowd kind of deal.  So putting on a mask and getting everyone's attention is still pretty apt. He's the every man ala Tom Hanks.

post #273 of 1215

This Spider-Man, whatever surface level stuff it got right, utterly fails to evoke the feeling of responsibilty and guilt that defines the character, thus it fails as a Spider-Man movie.

 

 

Also, the action isn't anywhere near as kinetic and thriling, the villian nowhere near as engaging, and the sense of narrative as compelling as a film made ten years prior with considerably more wit, invention and heart. This new Spider-Man is a somewhat dreary mechanistic vision that ticks off the required elements of Spider-Man but with no sense of exploration or feeling.

 

 

I tried to hope for the best with this film. I said it could be great. I was wrong.

post #274 of 1215

Re-read the Spider-Man 3 thread to see if I was always as mixed as I am, if I'd grown to give it more love as a misfire. And it turns out that, no, that's pretty much where I was from the start with that one. It's good and bad. Re-reading it, Dickson also said he loved that film unreservedly when it came out.

post #275 of 1215

I must stay alive to see what Richard thinks of The Amazing Spider-man 5 years down the line!

post #276 of 1215

Richard's an easy mark for midnight screenings. I don't mean that as a slight, either, just he's got at least ten years worth of instances where he's colored by the inherent excitement of a midnight release, only to flip once the air has cleared.

post #277 of 1215

I wasn't really active on the boards in 2007, but I do recall that I just found myself mostly bewildered and bored by Spider-man 3.  Over the years, I've come to appreciate the things that work in it and really dig the goofy stuff as the best stuff in the movie.

 

Having just read Richard's thoughts on the 3rd movie from back when, I can't say he was wrong.  What he praises about Spider-man 3 is exactly what I came to appreciate about its ambitions.  

post #278 of 1215

This was alluded to before, but I can't remember a film that felt so long--every bit of its 2.5 hours and then some--but still seemed to be "missing" scenes.  The deleted doorman scene.  Scenes of the "lizardized cops" wreaking havoc.  The editing just felt abrupt to me, which I could forgive if the movie went at an Avengers-like pace, but there are far too many other scenes that just drag on (Peter skateboarding, the initial Oscorp scenes).  Cut this down to 90 minutes, maybe add in 10 to 15 more of new material, I think I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

 

Also, proof I'm getting old, but a lot of the kid-friendly bits contrasted with some of the darker material.  The mouse turning cannibal scene or the two major on-screen deaths just feel at odds with a movie where all the NYC crane operators coordinate to help Spidey.  Like the movie can't decide if it's PG or a hard PG-13.

post #279 of 1215

The Raimi action is 1000 times more my style to be honest.  Just the first engagement with Sandman, punching him through the guy, getting punched out into traffic, and then surfing on a car door for a while.  Raimi's action bits had a kind of neat evolving dynamic and structure to them.  This movie was more Lizard and Spidey sprawl around each other for about two or three minutes.

post #280 of 1215
Y'all should have heard Dre's rant on this thing in person. That was hilarious shit.
post #281 of 1215
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If the movie sucks it'll bomb.  If the movie is good (re-gardless of a reboot) it'll make money.   It's really that simple.  People aren't stupid.  

 

Sorry but your assertion is unsupported by certain evidence to the contrary...

 

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post #282 of 1215

I didn't go to a midnight screening for this though, I went to a 7:30 sneak peak preceded by 90 minutes in a cramped, humid hallway where at least three people fainted.  This wasn't a case of "OMG SEEING MOVIE!"  It was, "At least I'm not paying for it."  I was not looking forward to this at all.  And it won me over.  That's a far cry from being so excited about a movie that you go see it at midnight.

post #283 of 1215
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I didn't go to a midnight screening for this though, I went to a 7:30 sneak peak preceded by 90 minutes in a cramped, humid hallway where at least three people fainted.  This wasn't a case of "OMG SEEING MOVIE!"  It was, "At least I'm not paying for it."  I was not looking forward to this at all.  And it won me over.  That's a far cry from being so excited about a movie that you go see it at midnight.

 

Maybe it was your low expectations that aided your positive reflection on the film. If it's a burp above "at least its free" then sure it'll be a pleasant surprise - but a bona fide good movie?

post #284 of 1215
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Maybe it was your low expectations that aided your positive reflection on the film. If it's a burp above "at least its free" then sure it'll be a pleasant surprise - but a bona fide good movie?

 

Maybe I just liked it.

 

And no, it wasn't a feeling of, "Hey, for free, that wasn't bad."

 

Look, I get not everyone is going to agree on this, and I'm not going to expend energy trying to change people's minds.  But let's not tie ourselves into knots trying to explain away me liking it.  It worked for me as a big, broad comic book movie with its heart on its sleeve that earned its way into my esteem.

post #285 of 1215
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It saddens me that so many people thought this was mediocre, yet Sony still has your money and pointless reboots will continue.  It just feels pointless to even have seen it.

NOT ME!!!!  I saw this thing for free!!!!

 

 

Man, what a big ole' pile of meh.  There's nothing offensive or even bad (unless you count this film's score--yikes, that was awful) about the film, it's just so painfully "by the numbers" that it's really hard to overlook the fact that this is more or less the same film we've seen ten years ago.

 

Other shit:

1. I liked Andrew Garfield and I do agree with the consensus that he's the better on-screen Parker.  It's too bad that he wasn't in a better film.

2. Flash Thompson: He's kind of an ass; but if your uncle dies, he'll be your best friend!

3. Was anyone else kind of bothered that Parker was pretty much able to walk right into Oscorp?  Considering the top-level shit that's being worked on in there, you'd think they'd actually require some proof of identity.

4. Man, that after-credit scene kind of sucked.

5. I'm actually kind of surprised how no one here is talking how awful this movie's score is.  The wailing that occurs when things are getting dramatic is downright laughable at times.

post #286 of 1215

Dickson didn't say good for free, he said he was glad he wasn't paying for it and the quality of the movie won him over from a state of skepticism.  Big difference I feel.

 

The score for the movie is so meh.  I do like the main theme whenever it swells up, but even for main themes it's so generic. 

post #287 of 1215
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Maybe I just liked it.

 

And no, it wasn't a feeling of, "Hey, for free, that wasn't bad."

 

Look, I get not everyone is going to agree on this, and I'm not going to expend energy trying to change people's minds.  But let's not tie ourselves into knots trying to explain away me liking it.  It worked for me as a big, broad comic book movie with its heart on its sleeve that earned its way into my esteem.

 

Fair enough. Unfortunately, that's not enough for me these days. As I've said on countless occasions, I'm just pretty fucking sick of superheroes. It takes efforts the level of what the Whedons and Nolans are doing to keep my interest these days. I'm still pining for the return to myth and high adventure I'd hoped the Titan abominations may have heralded.

 

Refried leftovers just ain't my cuppa.

post #288 of 1215

I'm going to see this today. I'll let you know what I thought. I know you're all eager to find out.

post #289 of 1215

I was always sort of take-it-or-leave-it where the DC heroes were concerned: saw most of their movies. liked some. But the Marvel U was where I lived as a kid, and one of my great moviegoing pleasures ever was seeing Raimi finally bring the real Marvel magic to the big screen; that experience can't be displaced or replicated, and that will always be my big-screen Spider-Man.

 

That said, I enjoyed Amazing Spider-Man for the most part. Much has been made of the chemistry between the leads, and it's no joke: it's always tempting to dismiss these on-set romances as some press agent's dream, but it's actually hard to imagine anyone working closely with these two kids and NOT falling in love. I've enjoyed Garfield's work since Red Riding (and my sister raved about him after seeing Salesman when she was in New York), and I thought he knocked this out of the park, particularly since a lot of the obvious "puny Parker" cues are missing from the script. Stone's as funny and adorable as she usually is, though the script misses a big opportunity: when Capt Stacy makes Peter promise to keep away from Gwen, and keep her out of danger, the choice not to follow through with that should have been hers (i.e., no one gets to make those decisions for her), rather than Peter's, but I'm glad we're not going to have to spend the sequel watching them slowly get back together.

 

The changes to the "official" mythos don't seem that much more drastic than most adaptations; I think that they stand in sharp contrast to Raimi's more faithful integration of them, though, which will understandably rankle much of the faithful.

 

Thought the action stuff was fine (I was a bit disappointed there wasn't more of the Spidey POV stuff, though: not that it was groundbreaking or anything, but it was an interesting approach). Wonky moments here and there, of course, but nothing that really took me out of it.The last act is choppy and does go on a bit, and I agree that the score is hideous (though it's possible that I'm being influenced by the fact that it sounded as though every trailer I sat through was using the exact same beats as Horner's score, so I was already sick of it before the movie started).

 

Not The Avengers by any means, and not anything I'd put in place of Raimi's first two. But I think it'll do well on the strength of Garfield and Stone, and I don't have a problem sitting through it again with friends next weekend.

post #290 of 1215
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Fair enough. Unfortunately, that's not enough for me these days. As I've said on countless occasions, I'm just pretty fucking sick of superheroes. It takes efforts the level of what the Whedons and Nolans are doing to keep my interest these days. I'm still pining for the return to myth and high adventure I'd hoped the Titan abominations may have heralded.

 

Refried leftovers just ain't my cuppa.

I'm pretty burnt out on them too. We need new age "Willow"s. 

post #291 of 1215
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I just think Garfield is too good looking for an outcast nerd, which is why I like Tobey McGuire a lot as Peter. He's endearing, he's not that great looking, he's easy to miss in a crowd. He puts on a mask and all of a sudden he's got everyone's attention.


Weirdly enough, Raimi really hammered down on the whole "Peter Parker is a loser" thing, but he always had a good friend in Harry. In this movie, they tried to make Peter hipper, cooler, more with-it, but the guy has NO FRIENDS. Kind of impossible to ignore.

post #292 of 1215
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Weirdly enough, Raimi really hammered down on the whole "Peter Parker is a loser" thing, but he always had a good friend in Harry. In this movie, they tried to make Peter hipper, cooler, more with-it, but the guy has NO FRIENDS. Kind of impossible to ignore.

Actually if there was one thing about the Raimi films I would've handled different it is the Harry friendship. I'm not sure it really works. I can buy that maybe they're friends because their both sort of outcasts in their own right. But I never found Harry that friendly. He goes and takes Peter's love interest in 1. Then in 2 he fucking smacks the shit out of him for keeping the Spidey thing secret. And in 3... he's fucking trying to kill him. And then the bad decision to make Harry have amnesia and all of a sudden they're best buds? 

post #293 of 1215

I wasn't suggesting anything about Mr. Richard Dickson, by the by, other than perhaps he likes Spider-Man, full stop.

post #294 of 1215
Thread Starter 

In my case, I wasn't really looking forward to this movie. I'm not the biggest fan of superhero movies; I like the Dark Knight, Raimi's Spiderman,
and Iron Man 1, but not really stuff like Thor, Captain America, or the Incredible Hulk. And the trailers for this movie made it look like an inappropriately sulky reheat. But despite my mindset going in, I found myself really enjoying it. I found the characters and their relationships engaging, which is quite a rare thing in these big movies.

post #295 of 1215

Ska Oreo, Flash and Peter became friends, after Peter Knocked him to the ground...Hard, than Dunking the ball strong enough to break the backboard.  Flash must have realized that Peter is better as his friend than his enemy.  In the comics Flash was a big fan of Spider-Man, so I liked seeing him wear a shirt with the Spider.

post #296 of 1215

I have a feeling that there are a whole bunch of deleted scenes left on the Cutting room floor.

 

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Surprised that the "My Parents left me when i was young" scene was cut out completely. 

 

post #297 of 1215
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2. Flash Thompson: He's kind of an ass; but if your uncle dies, he'll be your best friend!

 

Without wishing to go into too much detail, there is nothing unbelievable about that at all, I've seen it first hand. Even assholes are capable of acting like human beings in the face of something terrible happening to someone they treated like shit till that point. It's only outright psychopaths that are incapable of empathy.

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post #299 of 1215
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Weirdly enough, Raimi really hammered down on the whole "Peter Parker is a loser" thing, but he always had a good friend in Harry. In this movie, they tried to make Peter hipper, cooler, more with-it, but the guy has NO FRIENDS. Kind of impossible to ignore.

 

But he's pretty socially awkward.  Besides, riding a skateboard doesn't automatically make you cool.

 

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I wasn't suggesting anything about Mr. Richard Dickson, by the by, other than perhaps he likes Spider-Man, full stop.

 

For my part, I didn't take it as anything but that.

post #300 of 1215
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But he's pretty socially awkward.  Besides, riding a skateboard doesn't automatically make you cool.

 

Pulling Gwen Stacey would most certainly help in that department, though.

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