THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN post release discussion - Page 17

Nothing in this movie even approaches "emo".  Yes, not even tonally.  The reality is so far removed from the accusations it's not even funny.  There's more to argue about with the BB comparisons, but Twilight?  No.  Sorry, but there's no comparison.

 

I think Webb approaches the supposed "angst" from a genuine enough place for the comparisons to be invalid, at least.

No comparison to Twilight? Seriously? Then I feel like I watched another movie or something, because the one that I just watched rested almost entirely on a shallow romance posing as super-love between a broody super-powered teen and a girl who falls for guys who do nothing apart from proving themselves to be dangerous and mysterious.

Stone and Garfield have about a million times more chemistry than Pattinson and Stewart, for one thing.

 

Is any love story going to be dismissed as Twilight now?

But doesn't that come down to execution?

And I'm not denying that they had better chemistry. It definitely elevates the romance as written.

I don't know, it just feels like everyone had Twilight and Batman Begins and "emo" loaded up before the film ever came out, and is just bound and determined to fire those shots regardless of whether they really apply or not.

Emo does NOT apply.  Emo is an asthetic, like goth for the tween crowd who's not quite serious enough.  It's dark bangs and dark clothes.  It's a My Chemical Romance no one understands me asthetic.  It's why Peter Parker in Spiderman 3 adopts the traditional "emo" bangs, it's his hilarious mish mash of cultural "bad edgy dude cliches" along with the black suit and saturday night fever moves.

 

Emo IS posing, and it's all about a look.  Teenagers being angsty?  That's not fucking emo, that's the universal teenage experience for christs sake.

Yeah, this movie isn't emo. It's just plain regular old bad. Totally lifeless and perfunctory -- there's just no heart in this thing at all. Basically the antithesis of the Raimi movies, no matter how much this film apes them at times.

What my hopes are slightly up for is a sequel where Jason Isaacs gets to play Norman Osborne. If that isn't ideal casting then there is no such thing.

OMG!  You NAILED it!

I haven't seen this yet.  The major obstacle, apart from the retread factor, is simply that it looks like the most anonymous committee made film yet.

For comparison, people were saying Dredd doesn't seem too promising, which is true, but they at least went and got Anthony Dodd Mantle and told him to go nuts with the colours like always. TASm just looks rote.  Like the movie version of a TV series I haven't seen.  I guess I'm superficial like that.  Anyway...

 

This kind of fascinates me.  The movie moan crowd were talking about this too and I find it very odd.  It's as if people are saying there are no outcasts anymore, no awkward people.  That's from a bygone era.  Everyone is cool and well adjusted and handsome now, even the "nerds".  This notion actually started with the first Spiderman, I seem to recall.  The great exemplar I never forgot  was a red carpet stop by Gene frikkin Simmons talking about how he was a geek at school and how geeks are on top now  and buy his books and attend his talks on how you too can bang a supermodel every week, or something. I think that was the gist.

Really when Kiss are laying claim to outsider status it's time to rethink the boundaries a little.  The majors jump on grunge and industrial it doesn't mean the underground is now the mainstream.  There's a new underground somewhere else.

(great now I've derailed it into hipster and cool talk, potentially, but hopefully that makes some sense)

I did go along for a time thinking maybe it might actually be true that nerds were now cool, until I caught a recent low budget doc someone local made about Bronies (yes) at her school. 

Let me tell ya, they're still around.  And they're not cool.  Ohohoh so not cool.

 

So while I haven't seen it yet, my feeling is that suggesting this take on Peter Parker is some how up to date and connected with da yoof is way overdoing it.  It's actually the same old same old, as it has been since "teenage" movies and shows in the fifties and ever after.  Youth oriented protagonists, even if they were sympathetic outsiders afflicted with "real problems", have always been thinly disguised handsome charismatic go-getters.   You cast a wider net that way and get more viewers.  Aspirational and relatable at the same time, so the theory goes (and embittered outsider kids ( o/ ) will remain unconvinced by the charade).

We shouldn't kid ourselves that its current and realistic in any spectacularly (sorry) original way. If they wanted to make Parker a real outsider they could, but it not a Todd Solondz movie.

But I haven't been near a school in a long time, nor seen the movie so...

 

Emo as a term branched out in the mid-80's from punk by bands that took the angst of punk and started to focus it inwards. The association you're talking about - the emo aesthetic - is actually a more recent thing. Anyway, like punk or hipster, "emo" can be used to signify music, culture, an aesthetic and an attitude, which is what I'm talking about. Man, semantic arguments are tiring.

I haven't seen this movie, and to be honest I'm not in a hurry to, but I saw this comment on twitter a while back which made me chuckle.

 

 

Really? Didn't seem that obvious to me.

Yeah the only product placement that stood out to me was Peter doing internet searches with Bing, which is the most unbelievable thing in the film. 

What no extreme close up of a Dr Pepper can godthismovuiesucks!

It just made me think of Comedy Bang Bang: "Please, if you're going to Bing something, use Google."

This was a much better movie than Sam Raimi made. It is more serious and more like the comic. I hope they do the clone story since it could be a whole trilogy and have the Jackal and Gwen clone. Maybe Miles Warren was the shadowy figure and he is helping Norman work out the clone degeneration serum?

Everybody out of the thread. THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU.
 

It was a valid point.

It was a valid point.

No call for the Clone saga will ever be a "valid point", although I'm sure they could put some interesting homoerotic subtext in there for you to work yourself into a lather about.

 

Oh man I can't wait for newer posters to rally round and chide me for mocking this guy right out of the gate. Hint for the Dracos and ccccs of the thread: this has nothing to do with me not liking THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.
 

 

There is nothing homosexual about the clone story, which was read by everyone and one of the most famous Spiderman stories. And the Jackal is like the Joker so everyone would love him. Why are you being so obtuse?

That's true, I do remember back in the 90s when you couldn't get on a subway train without being surrounded by thirty or forty copies of Amazing Spider-Man #399. It's like the modern-day Bible, that Clone Saga.
 

Jackal was totally gay for Peter Parker, by the way. Why do you think he was trying to grow so many copies of him? CLONE ORGY.

That wasn't about being gay, it was about ruining Pater Parker's life.

 

By putting his winky in him.

You sir are a troll of the highest order.

You just don't get subtext, man. You're going to have to work on that before SYNCHRONIZED goes into production.
 

My scripts for THE EXORCIST: SYNCHRONIZED and LORD OF THE RINGS 4: RETURN OF THE SHADOW are fantastic, but I think I may need to make them original characters since Warner Brothers is very uptight about letting other people make movies of their stuff. I understand subtext better than you think since SYNCHRONIZED is full of it.

Never change, David Morgan. Keep reaching for that rainbow-coloured crucific dildo.
 

 

 

....except in this case, Ronnie writes classy Exorcist Rule 34.

 

Well, it worked for Dennis McKiernan...

Ohhh cool your back, WELCOME.

 

I agree. He built a very successful writing career out of modifying his sequels since he couldn't get rights. This way, I can rewrite all the EXORCIST movies and then do my sequel my way, and maybe even do it better than I planned. Same with LORD OF THE RINGS 4.

Your greatest creation, David Morgan, is your elaborate, phony internet persona. The craziest thing about you is that you think perpetuating this identity is a worthwhile expenditure of your creativity. You just don't get those kinds of hits, dude.

I would rather be as I am than a callous internet bully. Enjoy your life alone with only the haunting glow of a computer monitor to light your cul de sac of a road.

 

And he's pretty much despised as a hack by anyone who likes Tolkien.  So hey, follow that trail.

 

Only iron Tower is despised, not the rest of the books.

 

This reads like the worst Toby Keith song ever.

Back in the early days of the Internets, I got into an email debate/argument with McKiernan, who insisted his ripoffs were homages to Tolkien, not weak copies bordering on plagiarism. He was wholly unconvincing, and sort of an asshole, to boot.

 

Because most people with any sense stopped reading after that.  He's taking someone else's playground, slapping a shoddy coat of paint on the monkey bars, and saying, "Look what I built!"

His Silver Call duology is even worse, in all respects, than the Iron Tower trilogy. That's where I stopped reading (more than 20 years ago).

 

This is rich irony coming from a person who spends his time cowering behind a false identity employed for the sole purpose of attracting negative attention on the internet.

 

But I do love your EXORCIST: SYNCHRONIZED synopsis. If only you could use that inspiration for something beyond trolling.

 

I am thrilled to know that you love my creation. The fact that it affected you speaks volumes.

I'm sure Sebastien is jamming a crucifix into his anus as we speak.
 

 

I wrote that scene to horrify, not inspire sexual stimulation.

 

You HAVE to have been on the internet long enough to know better than that by now.

You guys are mean.

David Morgan is AWESOME.

Please post more EXORCIST SYNCHRONIZED. That shit JANGLED MY BALLS.

In all honesty, one of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated was the mods deleting the SYNCHRONIZED thread. Some of the best comedy this forum has ever produced was created in there.

Seriously. I MOURNED that thread being gone.

I wish he got to shoot that scene from exorcist, guess that fell through.