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FANTASTIC FOUR GAINS DIRECTOR, DAREDEVIL LOSES ONE

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by Tim Kelly: link

Comings and goings in the extended Marvel filmosphere.
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You better get Dr. Doom right this time, Fox, or I'm coming for the lot of you.

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I want to see Daredevil done again.  Give him The Raid treatment and make him the "martial arts" movies of the marvel universe. 

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Zero enthusiasm for either of these.

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I want to see Daredevil done again.  Give him The Raid treatment and make him the "martial arts" movies of the marvel universe. 

 

What about Iron Fist and Powerman?

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You better get Dr. Doom right this time, Fox, or I'm coming for the lot of you.

 

Considering that the Corman movie did Dr. Doom better than the Fox ones in every aspect, it would be difficult to set the bar lower.

 

They also cast Sue Storm better. And had a better script. And it wasn't a good script.

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Considering that the Corman movie did Dr. Doom better than the Fox ones in every aspect, it would be difficult to set the bar lower.

 

They also cast Sue Storm better. And had a better script. And it wasn't a good script.

So sad that Fox literally had that film destroyed.

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Now this is one origin reboot I can get behind since they butchered Fantastic Four the first time. Start from scratch. Haven't seen Chronicle so don't know how good this guy is but he must be better than Barbershop.
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So sad that Fox literally had that film destroyed.

Still pretty easy to find on the convention circuit. I've never actually seen the film but pretty much any booth selling bootlegs has it.
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MrBanannaGrabber, Well for one Power Man & Iron Fist are...Marvel Entertainment properties not...Fox.  I would prefer a film with Luke Cage and Daniel Thomas Rand Kai to DD any day of the week.  I would also...Love a...Daughters Of The Dragon film featuring Iron Fist's gal pal Misty Knight and Colleen Wing!

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Tim Kelly, I hope this time the...4 are...Fantastic, instead of Fox's first 2 films.  I wouldn't mind an opening credits intro, with the 4 heroes going into space, and gaining their powers.  The intro was good enough for The Incredible Hulk.

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Still pretty easy to find on the convention circuit. I've never actually seen the film but pretty much any booth selling bootlegs has it.

 

It's not good by any reasonable measure - the budget is a big part of that - but it's actually quite faithful to the spirit of the books. Given a decent budget, it would have probably been a better film by a good margin than the Fox one.

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Holy hyperbole, Batman. Evans and Chiklis alone raise the Fox effort about ten stories above the Corman abortion.

 

Kinda wish Sam Raimi had jumped on F4 after the unceremonious divorce from Sony.
 

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Still pretty easy to find on the convention circuit. I've never actually seen the film but pretty much any booth selling bootlegs has it.

Fuck paying to watch this thing, it's on YouTube.
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Still pretty easy to find on the convention circuit. I've never actually seen the film but pretty much any booth selling bootlegs has it.

Oh yeah I didn't mean it was hard to find. What I I meant was that it would be really cool to some day have a widescreen blu-ray of this unreleased 90's cheese. But now that can never ever happen.

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Have to say, not the follow-up I was hoping for from Trank. He showed some serious potential with Chronicle, and it's definitely in the realms of possibility that he can make the Fantastic Four work on the screen. But on the other hand - it's the Fantastic Four. 

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Holy hyperbole, Batman. Evans and Chiklis alone raise the Fox effort about ten stories above the Corman abortion.

 

Kinda wish Sam Raimi had jumped on F4 after the unceremonious divorce from Sony.
 

 

Evans was the only good thing in the first film. He nailed it, and elevated and/or rose above the shitty script and direction. 

 

Chiklis, IMNSHO, was done in by that awful suit and horrid script. Good casting choice, but sabotaged by the production itself. 

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What was so awful about the Thing make-up?
 

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Really do not want to see the Fantastic Four again unless it goes back to Marvel, we need Reed and Stark banter. I'm also one of those people who finds the Corman FF much better than both of the newer movies.

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I can't say I have any love for the Fantastic Four anyway. I mean their leader stretches.......it's really only a good power for one reason. Instead of looking tough or heroic he looks hilarious in a fight.

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What was so awful about the Thing make-up?
 

 

The face was OK, but the body just looked horrible - far too fakey, even for that film. It didn't move well or help with willing suspension of disbelief. I generally vote for practical or practical mixed with CG WRT effects, but I think The Thing should been done ala Gollum.

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Holy hyperbole, Batman. Evans and Chiklis alone raise the Fox effort about ten stories above the Corman abortion.

 

 

 

... and Alba and McMahon sunk it back down below again.

 

Yes, Evans was very good, and Chiklis was well-cast and did about as well as anyone could in that situation. What's-his-face was adequate as Mr. Fantastic. Nothing else in that movie worked on any level.

 

Dr. Doom was much, much better, in costume, acting, casting, characterization, and script, by a tremendous amount in the Corman version. The Fox version screwed up the character more than I would have thought possible. If they had given him a cartoon cat sidekick and a wacky nephew it would have been a lateral move.

 

Alba was simply miscast, and didn't fit into the move at all. I barely remember the Sue Storm in the Corman one (aside from remembering that Mercedes McNab played the teenage version of her) but that's kind of an improvement.

 

And the plot and script of the Fox movie were terrible. The Corman movie felt like a B-/C+ comic plotline. The Fox movie didn't seem like a Fantastic Four plotline at all. The Corman one seemed to come from people who were fans of the comic but weren't particularly good writers. The Fox one felt like someone read the intro paragraph to the Wikipedia entry and winged it from there.

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I hope they spend most of the movie in their apartment/lab before fighting a docker wearing super-villain on a nondescript street.

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It seems that a familiar face has snagged the job scripting this thing.

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Wow.  Slater is the screenwriter.  That is pretty impressive for the guy

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Heheheh.  Awesome, awesome for Slater.

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More (former) Chewer success is always welcome.  One step closer to seeing "To me, my Temos." realized on the big screen.

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More Chewer success is always welcome.  One step closer to seeing "To me, my Temos." realized on the big screen.

 

Wondering how many people here get that reference.

 

ETA: For those wondering....

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Wow, looking at that thread and the old days - and seeing the reputation levels of the regulars - it appears I am not the only one who has been gone for a long time. Hell, looking at this page and I see I am the longest tenured board member and that makes me sad...

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Id' love to see an FF movie that spins off of Warren Ellis' take in Ultimate FF. It has Reed, Sure, Johnny and Ben as high school age. Reed is recruited by a super secret organization because he's a super genius, works on an interdimensonal teleportation device alongside Victor Von Doom (named "Von Damme in the comic, a stupid change), and they get their powers due to an accident with the device.

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Will someone remind me exactly why Fox doesn't let Daredevil just revert back to Marvel? If they thought that cow still had milk, there would be a few jars worth by now.

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Will someone remind me exactly why Fox doesn't let Daredevil just revert back to Marvel? If they thought that cow still had milk, there would be a few jars worth by now.

 

I can't say with any authority, but I'd guess it was two reasons. First, they hold out hope they can make money from the property - with reboots becoming the norm (and doing well), it's not unreasonable for them to think there might be something to be gained from it. Second, even if they don't profit from it, they can keep anyone else from doing so.

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I can't say with any authority, but I'd guess it was two reasons. First, they hold out hope they can make money from the property - with reboots becoming the norm (and doing well), it's not unreasonable for them to think there might be something to be gained from it. Second, even if they don't profit from it, they can keep anyone else from doing so.

 

Letting the property go and having another studio make a successful film could be almost as bad for whoever's in charge as making an unsuccessful film.

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... and Alba and McMahon sunk it back down below again.

 

Yes, Evans was very good, and Chiklis was well-cast and did about as well as anyone could in that situation. What's-his-face was adequate as Mr. Fantastic. Nothing else in that movie worked on any level.

 

Ugh, the fact that Ioan Gruffudd has been reduced to "what's-his-face" status is incredibly depressing. That dude deserves a better film career. Or at the very least, like 10 more Hornblower movies.

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Wow.  Slater is the screenwriter.  That is pretty impressive for the guy

 

I remember Slater but never found out his real name.  Which is he scripting, Daredevil or FF?

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Fantastic Four. HERBIE to be played by RapeBear.
 

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Ambler, I did notice that there is a...Jeremy Slater writing the new Fantastic Four Film!  I suggest that is the same Slater, that posted on...CHUD.COM!

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You don't... say?!

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Bailey, Not a newsflash...I suck at...Sarcasm!

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My mistake!

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"Supposedly" Marvel regains the rights to Daredevil if Fox doesn't get a new one in production by the end of THIS year.  Slade walked because scheduling with his Hannibal: The Series duties conflicted with Fox's time table for it.

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"Supposedly" Marvel regains the rights to Daredevil if Fox doesn't get a new one in production by the end of THIS year.  Slade walked because scheduling with his Hannibal: The Series duties conflicted with Fox's time table for it.

 

Daredevil came out in 2003, FF2 in 2007. 2013 would make sense as the reversion year, since it's essentially ten years. Does that mean Fox still has four and a half years to figure out FF?

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Probably, but then again the time frame might be even less.  Let's not forget Elektra in 2005.  She (along with The Hand and Typhoid Mary and the deleted Matt Murdock cameo) is a part of the Daredevil package.  That makes it 7 years, not ten.  If that's the case, they only have about 2 1/2 years to get Fantastic Four going....which is still PLENTY of time.

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"Supposedly" Marvel regains the rights to Daredevil if Fox doesn't get a new one in production by the end of THIS year.  Slade walked because scheduling with his Hannibal: The Series duties conflicted with Fox's time table for it.

 

Here's hoping against reason Fox lets it go.

 

They won't, though. From what we've seen, it's too easy to start production on a film, then shut it down, thus buying them time. As Richard pointed out, it's not just about keeping it in house. It's about preventing a property they currently own creating a profit for a rival studio. I expect production shenanigans to keep DD at Fox for the time being.

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Here's hoping against reason Fox lets it go.

 

They won't, though. From what we've seen, it's too easy to start production on a film, then shut it down, thus buying them time. As Richard pointed out, it's not just about keeping it in house. It's about preventing a property they currently own creating a profit for a rival studio. I expect production shenanigans to keep DD at Fox for the time being.

 

I wonder if they'd be willing to sell any of these back to Marvel. Paramount walked away for what, $150 million? How much would the remaining Fox package (sans X-Men, which they'll never let go of) go for?

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I liked the Dr. Doom from Nip Tuck since he was a slimier eviler guy than the person in the 1994 version who you couldn't understand when he talked. Julian was particularly better in Rise of Silver Surfer.
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I liked the Dr. Doom from Nip Tuck since he was a slimier eviler guy than the person in the 1994 version who you couldn't understand when he talked. Julian was particularly better in Rise of Silver Surfer.
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I wonder if they'd be willing to sell any of these back to Marvel.

 

Why would Marvel bother to buy them when they can just sit back and wait for at least one batch of rights (Daredevil, Elektra, Bullseye, Kingpin, The Hand, etc.) to return to them very soon, barring Fox getting something into production within the next five months?

 

Fox will never let go of X-Men, so that's a non-issue.  That leaves Fantastic Four.  The only way Marvel will get those rights back is if Fox's reboot fumbles at the box office badly enough that they have no desire to push a sequel through.  Basically, exactly what happened with Lionsgate and the rights to The Punisher.

 

The better question right now is what Sony is going to do with Ghost Rider.  Make a third one anyway?  Attempt a hard reboot?  Shoehorn him into an Amazing Spider-Man sequel?  Let the rights lapse?  Sell them back?

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Well, here's hoping nothing happens on the Daredevil front. I read somewhere (Deadline, I think) Fox wont lose any sleep over the DD rights going back to Marvel.
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Whatever gets us closer to tying in every single Marvel character into the same universe works for me.  I mean EVERY.  I want to see Blade high fiving Spiderman.
 

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Whatever gets us closer to tying in every single Marvel character into the same universe works for me.  I mean EVERY.  I want to see Blade high fiving Spiderman.
 


Sony's iron grip on Spidey is not going away anytime soon sadly. The success of Amazing Spider-Man probably means no part in any future Avengers movie as well if there was any chance in the first place.

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