Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
I realize this is the Internet and all, but....really?
Sorry. I should've said Wolverine's and Green Lantern's.
Originally Posted by Micah Robinson
In TDKR, however, the film stresses that the United States has not only had a major stock exchange assaulted by terrorists (and after that, Bane shouldn't have been able to get back in the country, either, but I digress), but now that same terrorist has a live nuke in the equivalent of New York City, and the President is addressing the situation. Pretty adverse conditions for anyone to enter our borders, much less someone without ID and money. Moreover, that same terrorist has supposedly cut off every route into Gotham but one, and it's guarded by both his men and the US army. The only time someone tries to sneak in disguised as an aid worker, they're killed almost immediately after.
When a film goes through that much trouble to establish a scenario, then the internal logic demands that anyone - even the hero - do something extraordinary to overcome it. When he just shows up inexplicably armed with knowledge of how little time he has left to save Gotham, it immediately gives you the feeling that any adversity the film posits is all for naught, and thus kills any dramatic tension.
Problem is, you apparently weren't paying attention because a) there's nothing to show that they knew who was behind the stock exchange, as they knew nothing about them and b) all of the events concerning the nuke, the football stadium, the cops... none of that took place until Bane was back in Gotham city after getting rid of Bruce - hence his ability to leave and come back at will.
As far as Bruce's extraordinary ability to overcome getting into the city, I have one for you: he's the goddamned Batman. After everything you've seen him do up until that point through 2.5 movies it shouldn't have to require such hand-holding to accept such things; otherwise, I don't know how you ever made it this far.
And in response to Dickson, I'll say a lot of times movies work better upon 2nd viewings when my first time has me up until almost 3am after waking at 7am and working all day.
Originally Posted by MichaelM
*I still am not sure what function Matthew Modine's character is supposed to provide.
I thought this was an interesting idea regarding his character:
At first glance Foley’s arc could seem like an underdeveloped cowardice-redemption-heroic death subplot. When viewed against a broader context though, Foley is quite important to the theme of the film in that he represents most of the people of Gotham. John Blake was always a believer; he didn’t believe that Batman was the killer most people made him out to be, and sought him out when he knew the city needed the Dark Knight to return. John was exceptional, and for this reason he was chosen to carry on the legend of the Batman. Foley is the average citizen. He believes Batman is a villain because that’s what he was told by Gordon, the only talking witness to what actually happened. When Bane took Gotham, he sheltered himself and relied on Bane’s false hope, again because that’s what the authority had told him. He didn’t trust Gordon about the bomb because Gordon had been revealed as a liar in the Harvey Dent murder. But when Bruce lights the flaming signal, Foley is inspired with the will to act. He takes up arms, fights, and ultimately dies defending his city. Foley embodies the victory of Batman; the people of Gotham were possessed with the will to act and therefore had overcome Thomas Wayne’s failure. Foley shows what Batman was and is capable of as a legend and an inspiration for good.
Edited by Shaun H - 7/26/12 at 8:16am