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post #1751 of 4231
8/4/12 at 5:10pm

Bane's dead?

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post #1752 of 4231
8/4/12 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

 

Same reason I guess those two cops in The Dark Knight weren't called Montoya and Bullock but clearly based on those characters. 

 

What's weird is that the "Gotham Knight" anime DVD they put out around the time of TDK's release had a segment that was basically "Gotham Central". Only they replaced Montoya with the movie's Ramirez.

 

I figure they didn't want to sully Renee Montoya's character by the fact that her film counterpart, Ramirez, was bent.

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post #1753 of 4231
8/4/12 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post

Bane's dead?

 

As dead as Harvey Dent, and all the ridiculous theorizing that ensued with his death in TDK.

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post #1754 of 4231
8/4/12 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Slim View Post

 

I figure they didn't want to sully Renee Montoya's character by the fact that her film counterpart, Ramirez, was bent.

 

That surprised me as well. Was she still alive at the end of TDK?

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post #1755 of 4231
8/4/12 at 6:17pm

She wins the coin flip. Two-Face just decks her.

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post #1756 of 4231
8/4/12 at 6:23pm

Bane took that batpod cannon shot way better than the pile of cars did. Last time you see him, he's still in one piece.

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post #1757 of 4231
8/4/12 at 6:42pm

Originally Posted by Slim View Post

 

I figure they didn't want to sully Renee Montoya's character by the fact that her film counterpart, Ramirez, was bent.

 

Must... resist... classless... joke.

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post #1758 of 4231
8/4/12 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by Whiteboy Jones View Post

 

Must... resist... classless... joke.

 

Ha. Right. I guess I could have used some different phrasing there...

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post #1759 of 4231
8/4/12 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

 

As dead as Harvey Dent, and all the ridiculous theorizing that ensued with his death in TDK.

 

Well, I saw Bane breathing for a split second.  And they never confirmed he was dead.  And we never heard his heart stop beating like the end of Godzilla.  And we never saw a funeral.  He's alive!

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post #1760 of 4231
8/4/12 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers View Post

Bane took that batpod cannon shot way better than the pile of cars did. Last time you see him, he's still in one piece.

 

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post

 

Well, I saw Bane breathing for a split second.  And they never confirmed he was dead.  And we never heard his heart stop beating like the end of Godzilla.  And we never saw a funeral.  He's alive!

 

What's left of Bane ought to be dripping down the walls, if he took a direct hit... Say, maybe he did survive! I smell a spin-off feature.

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post #1761 of 4231
8/4/12 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post

 

Well, I saw Bane breathing for a split second.  And they never confirmed he was dead.  And we never heard his heart stop beating like the end of Godzilla.  And we never saw a funeral.  He's alive!

 

 

Exactamundo.

 

As a great man once said: "Show me his body."

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post #1762 of 4231
8/4/12 at 9:45pm

His little vest thing was cannon-proof!  BANE LIVES!

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post #1763 of 4231
8/4/12 at 9:55pm

Somewhere in the Pacific, on an exotic beach, Bane is chilling next to Kathleen Turner from Body Heat on a lounge chair, laughing his ass off and drinking a margarita. 

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post #1764 of 4231
8/4/12 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post

Somewhere in the Pacific, on an exotic beach, Bane is chilling next to Kathleen Turner from Body Heat on a lounge chair, laughing his ass off and drinking a margarita. 

 

See, now you have me envisioning Bane on a beach with Dan Aykroyd: 

 

"Looking good, Bane!"

 

"Feeling good, Louis!" 

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post #1765 of 4231
8/5/12 at 4:29am

Has Nolan said if there are any deleted scenes or a Director's Cut for this?

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post #1766 of 4231
8/5/12 at 6:36am
He doesn't put out deleted scenes or director's cuts.
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post #1767 of 4231
8/5/12 at 6:50am

Yeah, I think he's been quoted as saying what you see on the screen IS his director's cut. Thank God for that. He puts what he wants up there and stands by it.

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post #1768 of 4231
8/5/12 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Slim View Post

 

See, now you have me envisioning Bane on a beach with Dan Aykroyd: 

 

"Looking good, Bane!"

 

"Feeling good, Louis!" 

Turns out that Bane's attack on the Gotham Stock Exchange was just a diversion to corner the market on frozen orange juice.

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post #1769 of 4231
8/5/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post

Really? You guys are picking apart Gillen's perfectly fine performance in the intro now? I guess you guys missed all the arch dialog and line readings in THE DARK KNIGHT bank heist opening too. You know, the ones that scream YOU ARE WATCHING A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. 

 

Though to be fair I think that the intro to TDKR is meant to scream THIS IS A JAMES BOND STYLE PRE-CREDIT SEQUENCE.

 

Hey, I've been bitching ever since the prologue! ;)

 

And the opening dialogue in TDK always felt strangely forced to me, as well, as if a weird little short was shot and tacked onto the beginning.

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post #1770 of 4231
8/5/12 at 9:12am

Yeah, especially the bus driver. He rattles off three one-liners in a row:

 

"School's out; time to go! That guy's not gettin' up, is he? That's a lotta money!"

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post #1771 of 4231
8/5/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by JPL View Post

Turns out that Bane's attack on the Gotham Stock Exchange was just a diversion to corner the market on frozen orange juice.


You sure it wasn't for... tangerines?

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post #1772 of 4231
8/5/12 at 9:33am

"Heeee thinks he can sit out and take a slice!"

 

"ON-HUH!  RESPECK!  LOOK'IT YOU!  WHADDAYA BELIEVE IN????"

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post #1773 of 4231
8/5/12 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Yeah, especially the bus driver. He rattles off three one-liners in a row:

 

"School's out; time to go! That guy's not gettin' up, is he? That's a lotta money!"


It's very apparent now how quick that exchange is. I think sometimes Nolan's editor is pushing the limit on how to time compress.

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post #1774 of 4231
8/5/12 at 9:52am

One of those clowns was Blossom's brother. Who knew that Nolan was a closet Blossom fan.

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post #1775 of 4231
8/5/12 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

One of those clowns was Blossom's brother. Who knew that Nolan was a closet Blossom fan.

 

Which one? Joey, or the older brother who was a recovering alcoholic who came home to make amends?

 

Uh, I mean... what's Blossom?

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post #1776 of 4231
8/5/12 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by Slim View Post

See, now you have me envisioning Bane on a beach with Dan Aykroyd: 

"Looking good, Bane!"

"Feeling good, Louis!" 

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Originally Posted by JPL View Post

Turns out that Bane's attack on the Gotham Stock Exchange was just a diversion to corner the market on frozen orange juice.

Now I'm just imaging Bane walking up to Randolph Duke in the stretcher and telling him he now has permission to die.
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post #1777 of 4231
8/5/12 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Yeah, especially the bus driver. He rattles off three one-liners in a row:

 

"School's out; time to go! That guy's not gettin' up, is he? That's a lotta money!"

This makes me think that even if it wasn't 'part of the plan', maybe The Joker would have shot that guy anyway just for being annoying. So much for a ceremonious 1000th post. I'm spending it talking about how much a clown sucks. cool.gif

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post #1778 of 4231
8/5/12 at 3:17pm

Gonna be seeing this at the IMAX (70mm film) for a 2nd time tonight. 

 

What a fool I am.

 

But I'm going with three others who haven't seen the movie yet.

 

I will be there... EVERY STEP OF THE WAY... telling them why they shouldn't be enjoying the movie.  I will be a POX on their moviegoing experience.

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post #1779 of 4231
8/5/12 at 3:47pm

Great, so you're going to be THAT GUY, mcnooj.

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post #1780 of 4231
8/5/12 at 3:55pm

Oh yea!

 

Behold the destroyed faces I leave in my path!!!

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post #1781 of 4231
8/5/12 at 4:02pm

Are you going to tell them there's something at the end of the credits?  Only to laugh in their faces when they sit through the credits and there's nothing there?

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post #1782 of 4231
8/5/12 at 4:34pm
Oooh. I'ma jot that down!
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post #1783 of 4231
8/5/12 at 4:36pm

You're a monster, mcnooj!  A monster!

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post #1784 of 4231
8/5/12 at 5:18pm

mcnooj talks the game of a hater, but just watch. He's coming back from the now mythical second viewing spackled with Nolan's man-milk.

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post #1785 of 4231
8/5/12 at 6:43pm

I just got back from seeing this thing a second time. The beginning feels more paced out than what I had originally thought was rushed. Granted, there's a ton of information that the audience has to pick up in those 45 minutes to an hour. But damn it this movie still works gangbusters.

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post #1786 of 4231
8/5/12 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

mcnooj talks the game of a hater, but just watch. He's coming back from the now mythical second viewing spackled with Nolan's man-milk.

I will personally spit that man-milk into the soft drinks of each and every member of the audience and bring them all to Bat-ruin!!!!
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post #1787 of 4231
8/5/12 at 11:18pm

So the 2nd viewing did nothing for me.  It didn't take away or add to the movie.  

 

This time, the movie just felt longer and the WHEREZZZ DA TRIGGRRRRRRR scene more gut-busting.

 

I still liked the stuff I liked and found the whole to be a general dud.

 

As I've mentioned before, my problem with the film was never any specific instance of plot holes and moments requiring excessive amounts of the suspension of disbelief.  It's really just something about the way the whole thing is put together that leaves me cold.

 

But then, I can also be a really stubborn doofus.

 

 

WHEREZ NOLANZ MAN-MILK???  WHERE IZZZZIIIIIIITTT????  I DIDN'T GET ANYYYY!!!

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post #1788 of 4231
8/6/12 at 12:23am

So what is the result for this conversation...

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post #1789 of 4231
8/6/12 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Yeah, I think he's been quoted as saying what you see on the screen IS his director's cut. Thank God for that. He puts what he wants up there and stands by it.

 

I got a copy of the shooting script and the novelization. There's a small part of the Selina/Bruce ballroom scene that didn't make the transition to the screen (I think).

 

"We are the sum of our mistakes."

 

"Or our achievements."

 

"The mistakes stick better. Trust me."

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post #1790 of 4231
8/6/12 at 7:54am

Has anyone praised the gunfire strobe-light shot where we see Batman get closer and closer to camera and take out one of Bane's goons? 

 

BECAUSE THAT WAS COOL.

 

Would've loved to see more stuff like that if they were gonna play up Batman's abilities at all (like the return of the upside down "behind you" takedown).

 

Instead of just PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH.

 

 

See?  I take this movie down even as I praise it.  That's how good I am.

 

Also, tell me when Bruce had the opportunity to meet up with an estate lawyer to get all his ducks in order for this "fake his death" plan he must've had planned for a long long time.  Giving Wayne Manor to the orphan home (he can be DC's Professor Xavier!), sending Blake the coordinates, getting a new Bat-signal made...)  You know what the movie needed?  THIS:

 

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post #1791 of 4231
8/6/12 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

So the 2nd viewing did nothing for me.  It didn't take away or add to the movie.  

 

This time, the movie just felt longer and the WHEREZZZ DA TRIGGRRRRRRR scene more gut-busting.

 

I still liked the stuff I liked and found the whole to be a general dud.

 

As I've mentioned before, my problem with the film was never any specific instance of plot holes and moments requiring excessive amounts of the suspension of disbelief.  It's really just something about the way the whole thing is put together that leaves me cold.

 

But then, I can also be a really stubborn doofus.

 

 

WHEREZ NOLANZ MAN-MILK???  WHERE IZZZZIIIIIIITTT????  I DIDN'T GET ANYYYY!!!

 

"There's one in every family, sire.  Two in mine, actually.  And they always manage to ruin special occasions."

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post #1792 of 4231
8/6/12 at 9:03am

I WOULD make a very handsome throwrug.

 

And should I ever get dirty, you can take me out and beat me.

 

With both hands, c'mon!

 


Edited by mcnooj82 - 8/6/12 at 9:25am
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post #1793 of 4231
8/6/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

I WOULD make a very handsome throwrug.

 

And should I ever get dirty, you can take me out and beat me.

 

With both hands, c'mon!

Wrong. You'd be nice stuffed and hung up over my mantle.

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post #1794 of 4231
8/6/12 at 9:24am

There's a storm coming, you you you... ONE PERCENTER!

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post #1795 of 4231
8/6/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

There's a storm coming, you you you... ONE PERCENTER!

C'mon, there's a storm coming right? It's what YOU WANTED!

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post #1796 of 4231
8/6/12 at 1:10pm

Saw this this past weekend. I didn't hate it in general, and quite liked parts of it, but this movie has some pretty massive problems keeping it from being something I could call "good" without reservation. I'll probably say more once I'm done reading this thread. But my opinion could probably be summed up with this pithy remark: Max Fisher's "The Dark Knight Rises".

 

It was a fun time in the theatre, but nothing that I feel that I'll ever need to see again like The Dark Knight.

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post #1797 of 4231
8/6/12 at 1:18pm

Caught this last night.  Kept waiting for Daggett to say "maniacal laugh" his character was so thin.  Even though I knew who Miranda Tate was going to be I was crestfallen when Bane was revealed to be nothing more than a henchman.  Quite literally he was Vader to Talia's Emperor yet he was denied any sort of redemption.  Does that mean there can be no redemption for the enduring symbol of Batman?

 

I quite enjoyed the film in a popcorn manner up to that point.  I didn't get on well with Hathaway either; I don't think she nailed her character or the Nolan's didn't give her much to really solidify Kyle.

 

For some reason my favorite image from the film was when Bruce brought back the stock exchange dongle with the trade info.  Seeing Bale in full costume without the cowl just struck me as a pretty perfect comic book scene. 

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post #1798 of 4231
8/6/12 at 1:55pm

Since everything else has been discussed, I'd just like to point out that, as a PrIson Break fan (I know, I know, I know) it was nice to see Bellick finally get Warden Pope's old job. 

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post #1799 of 4231
8/6/12 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

Caught this last night.  Kept waiting for Daggett to say "maniacal laugh" his character was so thin.  Even though I knew who Miranda Tate was going to be I was crestfallen when Bane was revealed to be nothing more than a henchman.  Quite literally he was Vader to Talia's Emperor yet he was denied any sort of redemption.  Does that mean there can be no redemption for the enduring symbol of Batman?

 

I quite enjoyed the film in a popcorn manner up to that point.  I didn't get on well with Hathaway either; I don't think she nailed her character or the Nolan's didn't give her much to really solidify Kyle.

 

For some reason my favorite image from the film was when Bruce brought back the stock exchange dongle with the trade info.  Seeing Bale in full costume without the cowl just struck me as a pretty perfect comic book scene. 

 

This has been discussed already, but Bane is clearly more than just a henchmen. He's the LoS's field commander, the same role Bruce was being groomed for. I don't know what you're on about it with the whole "redemption" thing. He's not looking for redemption, he's a full-on believer in an apocalyptic cult and was fully prepared to die with Talia in a nuclear fire.

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post #1800 of 4231
8/6/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

 

This has been discussed already, but Bane is clearly more than just a henchmen. He's the LoS's field commander, the same role Bruce was being groomed for. I don't know what you're on about it with the whole "redemption" thing. He's not looking for redemption, he's a full-on believer in an apocalyptic cult and was fully prepared to die with Talia in a nuclear fire.

 

Sorry I wasn't trying to intimate that Bane wanted redemption.  There was a slight glimpse in Bane's eyes, I believe, when Talia left him there.  He was her protector, her lover perhaps?  Then he gets blown to hell with nothing to show for his entire build up.  What I was trying to say was that he and Bruce are both LoS trained "generals" or field commanders as you say.  If Bane has no redemption of any sort, even to show that his mindless violence was in service to his love for Talia more than we got then does the statue unveiled at the end offer any similar redemption for the idea of Batman since they are both cut from the same cloth so to speak.  I know Bruce rejected the Leagues ways but the "enduring symbol of Batman" must also then have no hope for redemption from whatever past sets each new person to don the cape and cowl to find the closure they seek.

 

Full disclosure:  I am quite possibly talking out my ass as I saw the film late last night and have had little time today to actually digest it.

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