THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Post-release thread..... - Page 38

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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB 

The giant guns on the batpod do strain logic though. I mean, does he honestly believe he'd never hit someone with a stray bullet with those things?

Rubber bullets. I promise.

Lets not forget the most horrifyingly dumb moment in any of these films.  Bruce, when faced with the idea of executing a guilty man cannot face the decision, and so his plan is to BLOW UP THE ENTIRE TEMPLE FULL OF HIS BROTHERS, definitely killing many of them, and without question killing the farmer who he was trying to save in the first place.

Behind-the-scenes photos of Christopher Nolan and Tom Hardy raffling off prizes to the stadium extras.

I personally like this one:

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Originally Posted by Freeman 

Lets not forget the most horrifyingly dumb moment in any of these films.  Bruce, when faced with the idea of executing a guilty man cannot face the decision, and so his plan is to BLOW UP THE ENTIRE TEMPLE FULL OF HIS BROTHERS, definitely killing many of them, and without question killing the farmer who he was trying to save in the first place.

That was Bruce before he was Batman.  He was a rookie!  A rookie!

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

He just didn't have to save them!

Ah, the classic Daredevil defense.

As far as the Batpod having guns: that wasn't Batman's choice. The entire Tumbler was designed for military use, which is going to include guns.

As to why he endorsed guns on the Bat, that's another thing.

I like that Nolan's Batman is a flawed, inconsistent guy. Aren't most human beings flawed and contradictory creatures? He's clearly not a DEATH WISE-style vigilante, simply gunning down at the first, easiest opportunity. This Batman also doesn't show the ability to do a lot of anticipatory strategizing, beyond the next few hours or days. He's very idealistic, despite his pain and "frozen in time" emotions. When he becomes Batman, he can't even imagine a threat like the Joker or Bane. 

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

I would have preferred that Bane be shot by a roving cop who just emerged from the tunnel, instead of the other costumed crimefighter in skintight leather.

What if a bunch of cops had rolled in, guns trained, and asked Bane to put his hands up?  That would've fit nicely with the idea that Gotham is taking responsibility back for the city.

I don't know.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

He's just blasting those batpod guns to blast through glass doors at a mall. That's just reckless.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

I'm not going to kill you. But I don't have to swerve to avoid running you over. Or stop shooting guns when you're in my way.

I have to say, I watched TDK again after I saw Rises, and I did wonder what he would've done if he'd clipped one of those people.  Would he have stopped or kept on driving?

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford 

More Begins casual bat-mayhem: Bale drives his tank over a cop car, and although we see those inside survived, that outcome was extremely unlikely. For all Batman knew, he just pancaked two cops. Even weirder is Oldman's reaction to this assault on fellow police officers (which comes before we see the cops inside survived): "I got to get me one of those!"
And I can't even remember how many dogs Batman just kills without a second thought in Dark Knight. Three? Four? Outside of the Resident Evil films I can't think of a single film hero who ended so many canine lives on screen.

Gordon reacting with glee as two of his own are nearly killed puzzled me on first viewing, and still puzzles me.  Even worse, Bats had plenty of room to get around that car, if memory serves.  He ran over them strictly to be a twat.

Independence Day has to have a dog outrun a biblical cleansing fire, yet Batman can fucking punch, hurl, and kill dogs at will with ZERO outrage from the audience or PETA.  That's the power of the Bat!

Inconsistency...  Thy name is Waaaaaayne.  :)

They had it comin.

Jack Bauer shot a dog with a shotgun on TV.

It's not unprecedented.

I think only Murder Dogs get a pass.  HULK had that Gamma Radiation Murder Dog fight, as well...  Didn't he pull their jaws apart and such?

In grim 'n gritty land, your hero can kill dogs.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford 

You're exactly right. He deliberately crushed the car to stop its pursuit (it was moving in to block him off or something).

PRICK.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

All to save Katie Holmes' mind.
Was it worth it, Batman?
WAS IT WORTH IT???

I re-imagine this scene as Bats rescuing her from the Celebrity Center and it becomes even more intense.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

All to save Katie Holmes' mind.
Was it worth it, Batman?
WAS IT WORTH IT???

Well is Suri going to The Scientology Cruise? I guess it was worth it.

Give it a rest, guys. You're totally ignoring the progress that has been made here, just to nitpick. Let's not forget that in "Batman" and "Batman Returns", Batman was executing mofos left and right all willy-nilly. Look at him strap a bomb to one of The Penguin's thugs, smile, and toss him to his death.

It's supposed to be cute because of the smile and the fact that the guy's guts explode all over the place offscreen. He's not enforcing his "no kill" rule as strictly as he could in the last few movies, but at least he's trying, dammit.

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Originally Posted by rfahey 

The best part of rescuing Holmes wasn't Batman's nearly killing the police, it was the visual of Batman driving like a maniac while screaming at Holmes to "REMAIN CALM!!!" or some such, so that she didn't lose her mind to the fear toxin. Ah Bats, you crazy guy.

That bit that always gives me a chuckle.

Bats: "Stay calm." 

*Rachel looks calm.* 

Bats: "You've been POISONED." 

*Rachel freaks the fuck out.*  

*Rachel wants a lil' nap* 

Bats: RACHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!

I'm never not going to be annoyed at how all of these movies handle Batman's "No Kill" policy.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

Why? Batman kills three people over the course of The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and it's unintentional every time. Dent is a byproduct of saving Gordon's soon, and the League of Shadows driver and Talia are because he's using firepower to swing the truck towards the river.

Batman: He don't give no shits about collateral damage.

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

 

That bit that always gives me a chuckle.

 

Bats: "Stay calm." 

*Rachel looks calm.* 

Bats: "You've been POISONED." 

*Rachel freaks the fuck out.*  

 

*Rachel wants a lil' nap* 

Bats: RACHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!

And then:

"OH SHIT I ALMOST FORGOT THE JUMP INTO THE BATCAVE!!!  ROCKETS GOOOOO!!!! PYOOOOOOOEEEEWWWWW!!!!!"

I just kind of like Batman actively trying to minimize collateral damage or in the case of Burton not intentionally murdering people.

New pole: whose confused on the politics of Rises?
 

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega 

I'm never not going to be annoyed at how all of these movies handle Batman's "No Kill" policy.

But that policy isn't even consistent from his comic origins (pretty sure someone posted the image from those days upthread). 

And I'd argue there's a huge difference between Burton's Batman stuffing dynamite down a guy's pants and Nolan's taking out the driver of a truck carrying a ticking neutron bomb. The first kill was clearly egregious. The second was necessity and maybe not even his main goal (stopping the truck). He's literally fighting against a ticking clock in TDKR, which narrows his options quite a bit, as does the bad guys driving a heavily armored vehicle.

I don't even recall:

Is the 'no kill' thing even a policy in the Burton movies?  Or is it really just one of those BS Hollywood tropes where he kills kills kills and then kinda tries to not kill the big baddie in the final scene?

With Nolan's films, the 'no kill' thing is clearly and idea that seems to be given some lip service.  But it's more like Nolan tackles it only when he wants to.  When he's in big budget Hollywood action movie mode, he doesn't want to.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 

I don't even recall:

 

Is the 'no kill' thing even a policy in the Burton movies?  Or is it really just one of those BS Hollywood tropes where he kills kills kills and then kinda tries to not kill the big baddie in the final scene?

 

With Nolan's films, the 'no kill' thing is clearly and idea that seems to be given some lip service.  But it's more like Nolan tackles it only when he wants to.  When he's in big budget Hollywood action movie mode, he doesn't want to.

There's no mention in the Burton movies of the "no kill" policy - and boy, does he not live by it.

To be fair, a lot of that first movie was based on Batman's first appearances in the comics circa 1939. He killed a lot in those. Here are the many instances where Batman "had" to take a life.

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.ca/2010/11/killer-batman.html

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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 

New pole: whose confused on the politics of Rises?
 

Only people who think the word "politics" is a placeholder for Democrat / Republican or Conservative / Liberal.  

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford 


I am pretty sure Batman killed those garbage truck drivers in Dark Knight when the cabin of the vehicle they were in was crushed flat against concrete (when the tumbler drove under it).

They work in sanitation. That's pretty much being in the mob.

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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny 

 

Only people who think the word "politics" is a placeholder for Democrat / Republican or Conservative / Liberal.  

Thank You.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford 


I am pretty sure Batman killed those garbage truck drivers in Dark Knight when the cabin of the vehicle they were in was crushed flat against concrete (when the tumbler drove under it).

Fuck 'em.  You work for The Joker, you might as well put a gun in your mouth.

That shit drives me nuts. We live in such a partisan-obsessed society that a filmmaker can't even explore the full spectrum of politics without being labeled a conservative or a liberal. I have no idea if Nolan is conservative or not and I don't care -- he approaches these things with thought and intelligence. That's what fucking matters. There is endless reactionary howling on Facebook about Nolan's "disturbing" right-wing ideas in the Dark Knight films from people who don't have a fraction of the man's insight or creativity. Shut the fuck up.

After reading for pages about terrible micheal bay one liners by cops and Batman having killed probably around 50 or 60 people I wouldn't be fooled into calling these movies smart.

One liners immediately make a film 'not smart'?  Guess I have to reassess Chris Nolan's "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling" Inception.

No, good one liners by Tom Hardy are awesome.  Bad, horribly delivered terrible one liners make movies not smart.

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Originally Posted by Freeman 

No, good one liners by Tom Hardy are awesome.  Bad, horribly delivered terrible one liners make movies not smart.

Dude, the only one liner that stuck out to me was "I believe you've got the wrong animal." If all you're concentrating on were a few one liners, may I present to you the other 2 hours and 40 minutes the movie has left?

Yes, one-liners are the earmark of intelligent cinema, as every 80's action movie has proven.

My point is the tone of these movies is not as smart as people sometimes think.

Holy shit, it's a handful of goofy fucking lines. Let us move on and resume talking about how all superhero movies should be sunny, happy and funny or how lame Bale's voice sounds or how whatever the fuck.

Ben Affleck for Batman!