THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Post-release thread..... - Page 41

And his murdered wife was only a few months after the honeymoon!

 

Wouldn't it have been so much more satisfying (although granted, implausibly so) if Alfred showed up out of nowhere at the end with a fucking Elephant Gun to blow away Bane? Catwoman just says "fuck it" and drives the fuck away and Alfred Han Solo's the day. It fits her character more, and so does Alfred watching over Bruce even though he says he wouldn't. That'd get a huge "fuck yeah" out of me, personally. 

 

But no, he just disappears the whole time because Nolan insists on having that horribly telegraphed ending where Alfred sees Bruce and they don't talk about it but blah blah blah. 

 

"Why do we fall down? [cocks gun] Because I just shot yo ass"

 

Wait, are you seriously suggesting a scene similar to that?  I was laughing right along with the first paragraph and then I hit the second.

Half joking, but also half serious.

I did, after all, admit that it was implausible. But we are talking about a movie where all crime is instantly solved from a simple piece of legislation, the bad guys have tanks and don't use them against an army of police officers, the hero seriously damages his back and gets it easily corrected at least four times, then in the end lives through a nuclear explosion somehow and the bad guy is dispatched easily with motorcycle guns. 

I think people who want Alfred to make a big re-entrance to help Bruce are missing the reason he left in the first place.

 

 

He took the Rolls, and he didn't bring it back with a full tank.

 

He didn't want him to die. So protecting him still makes perfect sense to me. 

I think Bane should have been standing in fuel for whatever reason (crashed Batpod, or something, Bane punches his fist through the fuel tank in the melee), and so when Bane says "You'll just have to imagine the fire", Batman could have replied "but you won't!" and set off a flare or something. That way Bane is consumed by the fire he's constantly going on about, and Batman can roll to safety without having violated his (admittedly odd) code of conduct (he set Bane on fire, but didn't kill him - he just chooses not to save him).

He didn't want him to die. And he wasn't going to intervene because it wasn't his choice to make. Having Alfred show up in the scene wouldn't just be a horrible coincidence but also would betray the moral philosopher/mentor that Alfred is and make his judgments dubious. In other words, all the set up for how Bruce has to find his own way and want to live would be rendered moot because Alfred's there to save the day and clean Bruce's wounds, "It's okay, Bruce! I'm here again. Sorry I left you. What a momentary lapse of judgment on my part. Let me go back to watching you waste away."

that just sounds.... terrible 

I wanted him to show up at the "Pit" and throw Bruce down the rope.

 

"What good are all those push-ups if you can't climb a bloody rope"

Reworked version: Bane and Batman get splashed in fuel during the fight after rupturing the Batpod, and when Talia leaves Bane and Batman struggle briefly as Bane goes in to kill Batman "You'll just have to imagine the fire". In the course of this Batman fires the little flares that were so useless on the sewer in his first fight with Bane, only he fires them into the Batpod fuel which catches fire. Batman replies "but you won't!", Bane looks down in confusion and dawning horror to see his legs engulfed in building flame. Batman explains/quips with triumphant finality "the fire rises!", breaking free of Bane and escaping the blaze while Bane succumbs to a painful death.

Batman is then still partly on fire, trying to put himself out rolling on the ground, and Catwoman comes in and helps save him.

how about not turning the "fire" metaphor into something literal.  

 

Clearly, the best ending would have been Alfred coming back, and knocking Bane out from behind with a ruby the size of a tangerine. 

 

 

 Thank you! During that entire sequence I was thinking, "Just climb the rope, dummy!".

But it was a literal fire Talia and Bane were referring to in that scene, a nuclear fire.

Climb the rope?  The rope was attached to him and anchored near the base of the well.  How's he supposed to climb the rope up? 

 

"No no no no, dig UP stupid!"

How? He's Batman. That's how.

Did you miss the part where Bruce threw one of the ropes attached above, down, after he got out of the pit?

Did you miss the part where that rope was attached at the top, but rolled up until AFTER Bruce got to the top and dropped it down?

 

so Bruce can climb up the rope that he throws down after he climbs up?

 

That's a paradox Doc Brown would be terrified of...

 

Did you miss the part where I said Alfred would show up at the pit, and throw down the rope for Bruce. 

 

Then Alfred would have some funny line about Bruce having a hard time climbing the rope he threw down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

Ropes aside, what I want to know is how Batman beat Bane in their second meeting.

 

I was hoping it would be Dark Knight Returns, and he would use different strategies to his advantage, and that this would allow him to get the upper hand.

But he seemed like he just did the same thing, but for whatever reason this time, when he hit Bane's mask, a tube popped off.

 

Pretty sure he was laying into Bane the same way when they first met, but nothing happened.

 

Also, told my chiropractor about the "In Pit" chirotechnique and she laughed like a drain.  It seems that chiropractitioners are misrepresented in the movies the same way that IT folk are,

 

I thought it was pretty clear that the blades on Batman's glove sliced through Bane's mask tube.

Yeah, he "cut" the mask and that worked.  That would have been just about the first thing I tried, but I guess Bruce is stubborn. 

Two weeks removed and this movie is like a best forgotten dream, I think.  And I was positive on it at first...

 

I think this is my problem with Nolan, and as I say, my problem, not an attack on any of his particular skill sets, but his stuff has a nice immediacy to it, so fucking entertaining while you're watching, but a few weeks later, and I'm hard pressed to describe much of anything that happened in the film, or why it happened.  

 

Of course, this could just be the by product of years of drug use, I don't know.  I'll let the doctors figure it out.

Nolan is great at the slight of hand in the moment, but more and more lately none of the magic holds up to scrutiny.  The plot holes in almost every scene in this movie are enormous and gaping in retrospect. 

 

Huh, I didn't get that at all.  It just looked like more direct punches.

 

Anyway, I've been loving these goofy alternate Alfred-centric endings.

Edited by mcnooj82 - 8/12/12 at 9:37pm

 

but did he not have them when he first fought him?

 

And if they sliced through them how did Talia just manage to reconnect them?

 

actually, I'm not that fussed, it would have been nicer for me if he'd learned somehow to make use of his own strengths against Bane, as Batman did against the mutants leader.

 

But whatever the reason, the bit where Bane goes completely mental and punches Batman superfast in the ribs about ten times, after his mask gets damaged, was one of my favourite bits of the movie.

Bane's "Achilles Heel" is an opponent with alot of jewelry that could get caught on his tubes.

I was hoping for more of "Warrior" brutal Hardy.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbiGC7Ga_Ag

Did you miss the part where Alfred came back and fixed all of the plot holes with his tears?

The ending for this movie should have been instead of Alfred and Bruce just nodding at eachother, Alfred should walk up to Bruce and they share an epic "You son of a bitch" handshake.
Cut to black.
Play the real theme song of the movie:

 

Edited by Dr Syn - 8/13/12 at 2:29am

 

This Hardy as Bane would have been funnier.

 

NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwHoBmICpN8

 

 

I was going to make a post about the lack of fanfare for this great Mayor's passing. I thought he was supposed to be immortal or something.

 

"Brooce! Yoo sunnuffabitch!"

 

Just to throw this out there, after first watching this film I too thought the mask hit with the gauntlets was silly. And I kind of still do, but it's just another call back to Begins (I think). There's a throw away line re: the gauntlets during the scene where Ras reveals himself to Bruce at the Wayne Manor birthday party. Ras, referring to the gauntlets, says something snarky to the effect that Bruce hasn't learned any new tricks and he's just stealing from the LoS. Still silly I guess, but I did like the, ahem, attention to detail on stuff like that, even if Nolan missed some of the bigger details. As an aside, the shooting script fills in a lot the little gaps in logic. Have to wonder, and I saw this mentioned somewhere else on the board, if the holes are really more just a product of editing and getting the run time down. Doesn't excuse it, but makes it slightly more understandable.

 

"Sorry Jacob, Bruce Wayne is definitely out of the running. Maybe you should take a look at that doctor with the hilarious facial expressions again."

 

"Unlimited poontang!"

 

Also, WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER:

 

Edited by Shaun H - 8/13/12 at 1:56pm

 

He was using the same old punch technique, but he got lucky and a gauntlet sliced Bane's mask.  I can't remember the exact shot, but I know it's filmed in a way that makes it clear that it was the gauntlet that did the trick.  You'd think Bats would stroll up to him and just pop him right in the mask after the info he received in prison, but he goes right back to the same shit that earned him a broken back in the first place.  Pretty stupid of him in retrospect. 

 

Also, and this may be a stupid question, but how can Batman fall from the penthouse of that building in TDK going after Rachel, crash onto a taxi, and be a-ok, but he gets dropped two feet onto Bane's knee and his fucking back is broken?  Velocity?  Aerodynamics from his cape?  Wizardry?

 

DRAMA!

 

Don't question it!

Bat's cape stiffened a few seconds before falling onto the cab. It broke some of his fall.

 

It didn't break his back, it just popped one of his vertebra out place. But yeah.

Young Bruce who fell down a well was made of sterner stuff than Batman!!!

There's plot holes, and there's nitpicks, and there is just stuff that happens.  

 

Falling 15 feet doesn't automatically mean you get 50% more hurt than everyone who ever fell 10 feet.  I haven't been to medical school, but I'm fairly sure that things like the angle of the fall, the surface you land on, whether you have on specially designed body armor and/or parachute-cape, how mad God currently is at you, and whether a bodybuilder is hurling you down can all greatly effect how serious your injuries are.

The thing that always bugged me about that taxi-cab fall in TDK was the way the velocity of the fall suddenly felt reduced by 90% right before impact.  Obviously, I know why this is the case.  But that would've been much less nitpicky had Nolan bothered to actually show Batman successfully slowing down their plummet. 

 

(and then not cut to the next scene while the Joker was presumably tormenting people at the party above!!!)

 

I'm gonna make this the TDK thread all over again!

 

I would imagine it comes down to Bruce's body being weakened at his age, and also because the velocity lead to one area of his body taking the impact (lower back), as opposed to his whole body absorbing it.  I can sort of relate, due to me surviving a three story fall.  I wasn't able to walk away like Batman, but I would imagine falling 5 to 10 feet onto a center block or rock would have screwed me up much more

I like to think Alfred was out saving people from fires, while knocking people out with golf clubs.