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post #1251 of 1421

And Joker is what happens when you've given up on the world. 

post #1252 of 1421

Also good:

 

post #1253 of 1421

bort has now fully realized his transformation into a video essay consumption machine!

post #1254 of 1421

Just having a lazy Sunday after a hectic birthday party yesterday for my 3-year-old.

 

I'm also reading the "Welcome to Twin Peaks" thread as I'm currently making my way through the show. I never knew there was a missing wealth of Jesse Custer recaps! 

post #1255 of 1421

oh you don't need to justify yourself to meeeeeee

post #1256 of 1421

And this Like Stories of Old channel never cuts away to reaction shots of the narrator. So the Debbie Downers over in the Film Critic thread would be pleased.

post #1257 of 1421
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And this Like Stories of Old channel never cuts away to reaction shots of the narrator. So the Debbie Downers over in the Film Critic thread would be pleased.



Except the guy's voice is super soporific.

post #1258 of 1421

at least it's not the folding ideas guy talking at the camera!

post #1259 of 1421
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Except the guy's voice is super soporific.

You no good.
post #1260 of 1421
You know what is good?

Tom Hardy quoting Bane lines to his dog with a nut cup over his face

https://twitter.com/andyzach/status/960609829369806849
post #1261 of 1421

he's still GOT IT!!!

post #1262 of 1421

If you've ever wondered what drunk Bane would sound like, wonder no more!

post #1263 of 1421

So I joked about it on Facebook a few days ago, but we're coming up on 10 years since The Dark Knight. Yes the conversation never really ended, but what new can we add to it with the weight of a decade?

post #1264 of 1421
That it's still awesome at that now decade old movies still feel brand fucking new.

Seriously. That's a new movie. There is not a damn thing about it that makes it seem ten years old. Barely one or two years. What the fuck..
post #1265 of 1421

I'll happily rewatch it this year for the anniversary and see what I might add to the dialogue, but no guarantees. We all know I'm not the board's best film analysis person.

post #1266 of 1421

I'd note how well it stands the test of time, and how relevant it is today more than it was 10 years ago. Not only that, but the power it holds over wanting to return to it, whereas 99% of these popcorn comic book movies seem to fade pretty quickly when you ignore the large arc they've been building toward. Deep down I may want to make love to Batman, but I can still be fair-minded when I say it's no contest to declare it's still the best modern day superhero movie we've gotten out of all this. It's also an experience that I've made a point to not over-watch because I want to savor it as much as I can, which is something I tend to do for the movies that I hold in the highest (and rarest) regard.

post #1267 of 1421
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 It's also an experience that I've made a point to not over-watch because I want to savor it as much as I can, which is something I tend to do for the movies that I hold in the highest (and rarest) regard.

 

Same. Last year was the first time I'd watched it in several years. I sort of wanted to wait until this year, given the anniversary, but a friend's sons had never seen the Nolan films and that was too neat an experience to pass up.

 

But overall, yeah. TDK is one of those films that I deliberately limit the number of times I watch it, to preserve its impact as much as I can.

post #1268 of 1421

Good article, with a few video examples, of Nolan's use of the low-angle shot to establish the Joker as a dominating figure: https://bamsmackpow.com/2018/02/06/batman-dark-knight-superhero-filmmaking/

post #1269 of 1421
I admire you guy's restraint. When The Dark a Knight first came out....I watched it god knows how many times. That I never tired of it shows how solid it is. I've never tired of any of the three of them..
post #1270 of 1421
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Good article, with a few video examples, of Nolan's use of the low-angle shot to establish the Joker as a dominating figure: https://bamsmackpow.com/2018/02/06/batman-dark-knight-superhero-filmmaking/

 

Interesting. In the commentary for GLADIATOR, Scott talks about shooting Maximus from low angles (looking up) to increase the sense of heroism and epic-ness to the character and story.

post #1271 of 1421

Certainly plays into a larger-than-life feel. It can be viewed as heroic, but the character is still towering over the audience. In Maximus's case it's to heighten his mythic qualities, with the Joker it's to make him an overwhelming presence. Both are for the sake of intimidation. 

post #1272 of 1421
That's kind of a blanket technique to convey a great many types of larger than lifeness.

The Terminator uses it well too..
post #1273 of 1421
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You know what is good?

Tom Hardy quoting Bane lines to his dog with a nut cup over his face

https://twitter.com/andyzach/status/960609829369806849

 

Hahaha, that IS good. 

post #1274 of 1421
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That's kind of a blanket technique to convey a great many types of larger than lifeness.

The Terminator uses it well too..

Yup, here's more on how it has been used to convey many things: https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/how-to-frame-a-low-angle-shot-like-a-master-cinematographer/

post #1275 of 1421
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Certainly plays into a larger-than-life feel. It can be viewed as heroic, but the character is still towering over the audience. In Maximus's case it's to heighten his mythic qualities, with the Joker it's to make him an overwhelming presence. Both are for the sake of intimidation. 

 

Right, I wasn't trying to say that Nolan's intent was to convey a heroic aspect to the Joker. Power and menace and larger-than-life aspects, yes. 

post #1276 of 1421

The Dark Knight is an actual classic, with legitimate cultural resonance.  It is relatively easy to forget that in 2008, there was no MCU, and Batman Begins had struggled to make $200M, being held over in theaters for quite some time to hit that mark by WB.  Now the home sales were exceptional, but WB had to make a TOUGH decision to greenlight a sequel to it.  I was an enormous fan of Batman Begins, and I recall the numerous debates about whether it would get a sequel.  BB suffered under the stench of Batman and Robin, a full eight years later.  But fortunately, WB made a sequel, and Nolan didn't hold anything back with it.  No wait for a third film, no hidden cards, nothing.  He poured it all into TDK.

 

The Dark Knight came in ahead of schedule and under budget as well.  Just a towering achievement in epic filmmaking.

 

It was the second film I ever watched on a real IMAX screen, and it was one of those "remember forever" experiences as a film fan.  A legitimately great film that has cast a long, long shadow over DC efforts since.

post #1277 of 1421

filming someone from a low-angle makes them feel towering, powerful, and larger than life????

 

WOWIE ZOWIE!!!!

 

NOLAN THAT GENIUS!!!!

post #1278 of 1421

Goddamn it, Nooj. Not everything is presented as new information. How about just deep diving into things we already know?

post #1279 of 1421

Our deep dive is fine.....for nooj to poop on!

post #1280 of 1421

I'm more interested in the change in how Nolan shot and edited batman-fisticuffs.

 

from the awful chopped up nonsense of batman begins...

 

to the flat and clunky street brawler of the night in dark knight...

 

to a combination of the two in dark knight rises

post #1281 of 1421

Which technique

 

was the most

 

EFFECTIVE??????????????????

post #1282 of 1421

I'm going to have to start using Tom Hardy's dog's "Bitch, Please" face (how's that for a CHUD name?) around this messageboard. It's too good not to.

 

 

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filming someone from a low-angle makes them feel towering, powerful, and larger than life????

 

WOWIE ZOWIE!!!!

 

NOLAN THAT GENIUS!!!!

 

post #1283 of 1421

I think the most effective in terms of selling our common conception of Batman as an elemental fighter of crime are the quick tastes we get of him in:

 

Batman Begins:

him taking out the goons one by one like a horror movie monster (everything before he starts punching and kicking in the dockfight, establishing the generally shoddy approach the movie takes to his fight scenes for the rest of the movie)

 

 

Dark Knight Rises:

the short montage of him and Catwoman making their way to Bane through the sewers

 

 

 

I think the clunkiness of his brawls in THE DARK KNIGHT, while not particularly exciting or mysterious-looking, play into the idea the film later presents by having his brute strength be utterly useless against the Joker.

 

When it comes to that similar approach with DARK KNIGHT RISES, I think it worked great for him being beat down by Bane in a wet subterranean lair... but didn't work at all when it came to a sunlight drenched climactic fight on the streets.  Hahahahaha, that shot of them testing their might against each other with Bale going "GRRRRRRRAAAAARRRGHHHHH" is some of the funniest nonsense.

 

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post #1284 of 1421

What about the nightclub scene in The Dark Knight with the strobe effect?

post #1285 of 1421
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What about the nightclub scene in The Dark Knight with the strobe effect?

 

(shrug)

post #1286 of 1421

uuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

post #1287 of 1421

it's just the usual fisticuffs in the DARK KNIGHT, but with strobe lights

 

the movie doesn't do anything with the strobing beyond the fact that it's happening.  he could just be any normal brawler who decided to come in and start trouble.  none of the goons he takes out has any trouble seeing him or confronting him.  Eric Roberts sees him coming from way off.  it's just a routine fight.  nothing special about it... and the movie doesn't make any attempt to make it special, since the point of it is to show Bruce getting desperate to find Joker

 

 

an actual cool use of strobe for nolanbat was this:

 

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post #1288 of 1421

Yeah, I view the night club scene in TDK as a huge missed opportunity. It's where we should have had the Bale equivalent of the Warehouse Fight from BvS.

post #1289 of 1421

That whole tunnel sequence in TDKR is an all timer. That and the -cough- dock fight are probably the most Batman scenes Nolan did.

 

I also actually really enjoy Batman vs. the Swat team in TDK. Where he's constantly just trying to disarm and not hurt anyone. Great showcase of what makes Bats special IMO. 

post #1290 of 1421

the thing about the night club beat in TDK was that it didn't even have to be a brawl/fight.

 

it could've just been Batman smashing in and taking him like an elemental monster.

 

THAT SAID... I think the blunt brute-force aspect of batman in that movie is partly intentional.  Because it's much more a 'crime epic' as opposed to the superhero origin drama of BEGINS, it has no interest in the elemental aspect of Batman.  He's still theatrical here and there, but he's mostly just about BRUTE-FORCING everything until he bumps up against the Joker.

 

 

still... downplaying the elemental aspects of Batman was already partly out the window with BEGINS... when his vehicle is clearly a military-grade tank-mobile, as opposed to something more symbolic that the Burton movies stylistically embraced with the Batmobile and the Batwing.

 

Nolan plays Batman up more like James Bond in terms of his gadgets.  He gets a cool bike in TDK.  And then gets an ugly flying craft in TDKR.

post #1291 of 1421

Yeah, The Dark Knight is very much not concerned about Batman as a monstrous, supernatural presence. I'm thinking not just the scene from Begins at Arkham, with the one guy asking, "Is it true what they say, that he can play?" but also the opening of BvS where the cop sees him and Batman seems to glide out of the room.

 

No, Batman in TDK is basically a special forces guy with a pointy helmet. The IDEA of Batman is still important, and there's the fear element with the signal at the beginning and the drug dealer not being able to get business, but Batman's actual presence is very downplayed.

post #1292 of 1421

I used to suffer from severe depression in the aughts, probably reaching it's peak/depth in 2005.  

 

When I watched TDKR I remember feeling like "Wow if my depression was a blockbuster film, it would be like this!".  There is just something wrong with that movie, as if nobody had fun making it and nobody wanted to make it.  It's just so dull, and gloomy, and just ugh! Ugh! UGH!

 

Raimi didn't want to make Spider-Man 3, but that didn't stop him from making it so darned doofy! 

 

I haven't watched Begins or TDK since then.  I just can't bring myself to revisit this series anymore.  

post #1293 of 1421
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No, Batman in TDK is basically a special forces guy with a pointy helmet. The IDEA of Batman is still important, and there's the fear element with the signal at the beginning and the drug dealer not being able to get business, but Batman's actual presence is very downplayed.

 

 

and to continue the thought about TDK intentionally downplaying the elemental aspect of Batman....

 

...what's cool about TDK is that the elemental is still there through its portrayal of the Joker, who is DEFINITELY treated like a figure that appeared out of nowhere.  His appearances, his ridiculously prepared schemes, his ability to take punishment... he's more Batman than Batman.

 

 

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When I watched TDKR I remember feeling like "Wow if my depression was a blockbuster film, it would be like this!".  There is just something wrong with that movie, as if nobody had fun making it and nobody wanted to make it.  It's just so dull, and gloomy, and just ugh! Ugh! UGH!

 

Raimi didn't want to make Spider-Man 3, but that didn't stop him from making it so darned doofy! 

 

I felt very much the same way back when I first saw TDKR.  But with time, I've come around to the view that the movie is actually VERY VERY DOOFY.  But in a very Nolan way.

post #1294 of 1421
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and to continue the thought about TDK intentionally downplaying the elemental aspect of Batman....

 

...what's cool about TDK is that the elemental is still there through its portrayal of the Joker, who is DEFINITELY treated like a figure that appeared out of nowhere.  His appearances, his ridiculously prepared schemes, his ability to take punishment...THE WAY HE'S SHOT AT A LOW ANGLE... he's more Batman than Batman.

I agree.

post #1295 of 1421

(shrug)

 

WOWIE ZOWIE?

 

 

What I do really love about TDK is that for all its gritty-realism dance it plays for most of the movie outside of the Joker, it eventually gives Batman the sense of the grandiose with the finale as we see him limp away into the night with Oldman narrating it to his son like the end of a bedtime story.


Edited by mcnooj82 - 2/6/18 at 10:50am
post #1296 of 1421

I had a post from eons ago that did a pretty good job (if I say so myself) of explaining the very purposeful reasoning behind the fear/elemental angle being abandoned in lieu of Nolan's grounded approach. I wouldn't have a clue how to even begin to hunt it down.

post #1297 of 1421

it's gone, baby, gone!

post #1298 of 1421

it exists

 

its just down there

 

in the basement

post #1299 of 1421

And I (still!) love The Dark Knight Rises, you hosers.

post #1300 of 1421
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it exists

 

its just down there

 

in the basement

All of Gotham is a basement!

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