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post #1 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:20pm
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So I scoped this out last night.  I had just finished reading Frank Millers The Man Without Fear origin arc and I was in the mood for some Daredevil.  I remember this movie is always placed in the realm of the worst comic book movies, and after this I have no idea why.  Ok, I could nitpick little moments to death, like poor delivery here and there, Ben Afflecks dumb hair and Jennifer Garner literally doing NOTHING for me and not reminding me of Electra(there's a K in there somewhere...) at ALL, but it's a pretty serviceable enjoyable origin story.

 

Affleck looks GREAT in the costume in my opinion.  His billy club/nun chucks/ zip wire thing is pretty neat, and that first action sequence in the bar KICKS ASS.  Finally a super hero who does amazingly cool martial arts and looks cool doing it.

 

Micheal Clark Duncan is maybe the ONLY human being alive who can truly represent the size and menace of Wilson Fisk, and Colin Ferrell is HANDS DOWN the best part of this movie.  His Bullseye is so absurdly over the top that I found myself laughing in glee every time he shows up on screen and flaps his coat around like Batmans cowl.  When he stabbed Electra through the heart and then slowly started sucking on her lip while she died I was legit skeeved out.

 

"I missed...  I NEVER MISS!"

 

"Ha!  Bullseye *points to head* HA!"

 

From what I understand the entire subplot of the murdered girl is what accounts for 40 minutes of this version missing from the theatrical cut, which, yeah would kind of break the damn movie.

 

So, what do people feel about this thing around here?  Am I complete asshole for digging this?

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post #2 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:27pm

Anyone who disses this movie hasn't seen the DC. 

 

Not dogging you but I think this conversation has been had several times around here.  Welcome to the dark side of people who like it.  I never saw the TC and only ever owned the DC and only knew that version.  This is a perfectly serviceable film.

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post #3 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:35pm

I really liked both the TC and the DC.  Hahahah.

 

I don't know why.  There's a lot of clunk in this, but at the time, there was a lot to enjoy from it.  Freeman already pointed out most of it.

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post #4 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:36pm

Unless the DC magically changes all the casting except Favreau and Joey Pants (to say nothing of ditching that God-awful playground fight) I ain't interested.

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post #5 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:43pm

How could anyone give this flick a pass when it features a whiny, sobbing MM gain his powers (and expertise in several forms of kung-fu) by running into a barrel of toxic waste?

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post #6 of 53
8/9/12 at 6:49pm

Don't forget the straight-As he dropped!

TRAGIC.

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post #7 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:02pm
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That was the weirdest thing they took out, the master who trains Matt.  Why take out the Hand and utterly RUIN Elecktras character AND Matt's to a lesser extent?  They ape Frank Miller so far as to copy frames from the comic *In some ways, I'm still waiting* but they get rid of the cool Kill Bill Shaw brothers blind martial arts teacher?!  Bullshit!

 

There is TONS of wrong here.  The CGI is still young so there's the occasional digital stuntman that looks stiff and horrible, and like I said Elecktra was pussified, that playground foreplay...  *shivers*  I was honestly expecting the first few replies to be people telling me what a cunt I am for enjoying this. 

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post #8 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:03pm

all I need to see is the park fight scene... 

 

that says it all. 

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post #9 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:11pm

Freeman, I enjoy DD The Film as well.  Sure it hopefully be rebooted closer to the comics, but at least it is far more...ELEKTRAfying than it's spin off, which was less than...MARVELous.  Michael Clark Duncan had the size, but is nowhere near as menacing as the Marvel Comic Kingpin.  DD shouldn't have been able to take down Kingpin as easy as he did.  I think it would have been better if Kingpin escaped, as he did many times in the comics.

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post #10 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:28pm

Isn't this the film with a training montage set to Evanescence?

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post #11 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:35pm

Yes.

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post #12 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:43pm

It has lots of things set to Evanescence!

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post #13 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:48pm
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It has lots of things set to Evanescence!

 

and Nickelback and Seether!!!!

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post #14 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:52pm
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Ohhh god the music!  There's a moment in the scene where Elecktra is stabbing bags of sand suspended by ropes(presumably she has men in the rafters dropping the sand bags), and she finishes the scene off by stabbing a sand bag with an incredibly crudely drawn Daredevil crayoned onto one.  It's borderline retarded adorable. 

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post #15 of 53
8/9/12 at 7:57pm

And then she looks into the mirror wondering...

 

WHY DOES MY REFLECTION SHOW SOMEONE I DON'T KNOOOOW???

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post #16 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:16pm
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WHY IS SHE A NINJA IN THIS MOVIE?!  DID HE DAD TEACH HER??

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post #17 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:17pm

What was the point of the sandbags?  Okay, there are easy to stab, they makes a huge mess, and can't be reused? 

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post #18 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:19pm

Holy shit.  Even if the rest of the movie is excellent, this scene is...pretty ridiculous.

 

 

SAVE MEEEEEEEE

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post #19 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:19pm
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WHY IS SHE A NINJA IN THIS MOVIE?!  DID HE DAD TEACH HER??

700

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post #20 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:23pm

 

I don't know what's worse... sandbags... or teeter-totter fighting.

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post #21 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:35pm
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I wish somebody would post the bar fight, because so far it's been nothing but the worst of this movie.  It's not ALL that.

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post #22 of 53
8/9/12 at 8:38pm

You mean the scene where he's swinging around on a fan, while Nickelback is playing in the background.... that fight scene?

 

 

How about this scene?

 

 

So powerful... so sad... she has to leave, but he can't accept it.  What is that?  Evanescence in the background.  DRIVE..... that word says it all

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post #23 of 53
8/9/12 at 9:04pm

Freeman, I think you need make a case for DAREDEVIL: THE DIRECTOR'S CUT being a better film than THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Joon will back you up. And there will be laughter.

 

C'mon, I DARE you.

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post #24 of 53
8/9/12 at 9:06pm
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You mean the scene where he's swinging around on a fan, while Nickelback is playing in the background.... that fight scene?


It's a well shot, interesting dynamic fight scene where the hero is flexible and moves like he could actually kick some ass, as opposed to a certain Bat.  As for Nickelback, if you don't like them that's your problem.  Personally I've always liked a few of their songs here and there and disliked the more mainstream singles, but I guess some people just despise them top to bottom.

 

 

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Freeman, I think you need make a case for DAREDEVIL: THE DIRECTOR'S CUT being a better film than THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Joon will back you up. And there will be laughter.

 

C'mon, I DARE you.

Haha I really liked The Dark Knight Rises!  But Devil's Advocate is fun.  See what I did there? ...  I used the word Devil.  As in Daredevil.

 

I will be so bold as to say the fighting in this movies bar scene is better than any single melee fight sequence in any of the Nolan bat films.  I'll go there all day.

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post #25 of 53
8/9/12 at 9:41pm
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It's a well shot, interesting dynamic fight scene where the hero is flexible and moves like he could actually kick some ass, as opposed to a certain Bat.  As for Nickelback, if you don't like them that's your problem.  Personally I've always liked a few of their songs here and there and disliked the more mainstream singles, but I guess some people just despise them top to bottom.

 

 

Haha I really liked The Dark Knight Rises!  But Devil's Advocate is fun.  See what I did there? ...  I used the word Devil.  As in Daredevil.

 

I will be so bold as to say the fighting in this movies bar scene is better than any single melee fight sequence in any of the Nolan bat films.  I'll go there all day.

 

I might've agreed with you up until TDKR actually came out.  Because I really love the first fight between Bane and Bats.  But I don't know if that counts because it's openly not really a fight at all.  But a defeat from the very beginning.  And that bar fight, though it has some really cool stuff, was always cut too fast for my tastes.

 

Seriously though... Mark Steven Johnson should've taken on the recent take on Batman.  There are always more Evanescence songs to use.

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post #26 of 53
8/9/12 at 9:56pm
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The first Bane fight is interesting because of Christian getting flustered and roaring, or Bane taunting Batman.  The choreography of the fight is literally the weakest component.

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post #27 of 53
8/9/12 at 9:59pm

Just out of curiosity, has Bullseye ever been Irish in the comics, or was he simply made Irish in the movie for Farrell's benefit?

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post #28 of 53
8/9/12 at 10:07pm
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From what I can tell he was raised on the Bronx, and the Irish thing was encouraged by the Director.  The character is better for it.  I like Irish Ferrell.

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post #29 of 53
8/10/12 at 12:21am

Colin Farrell was the bomb in Daredevil.

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post #30 of 53
8/10/12 at 1:13am
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For all the people who hate the over the top scenes, Bullseye is an example of over the top done so gloriously, GLORIOUSLY right.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjRVW_hxfvo

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIMVrX9CaVw&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtBeTyYjQtI&feature=related

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post #31 of 53
8/10/12 at 2:51am

There are actually several good buts of this movie but the ending isn't one of them. Ugh mask off, doesn't kill him and he doesn't believe Kingpin will reveal his identity because he is humiliated about being beaten by a blind man........really? I always find it hilarious in movies where the hero kills several people and then at the end when he catches the guy who is directly responsible....thats when he learns his lesson. And I don't necessarily have an issue having the hero learn that lesson but wow the timing..........after he has seen your face. Similar thing cracked me up about Man Apart. "Sure I have killed a bunch of paid henchmen but now that I have you, the man that ordered the hit, your going to prison buddy!"

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post #32 of 53
8/10/12 at 3:29am
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That "good guy arc" is literally set up in ONE random scene with a little boy earlier and promptly forgotten until that moment.  No need to develop that plot or mine drama from it... I'm not saying this movie is perfect, but lets just say I would watch this in a heartbeat before something lazy and uninspired like ASM.  You can sense that there's some love for the character here amongst the occasional stupid thing.

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post #33 of 53
8/10/12 at 3:33am

I was going to cite Road House as a film that doesn't cop out like that: I could have sworn Dalton does something horrendous to Wesley at the end. But, sadly, a quick reminder using Wikipedia means I can't do that. At leas the "town" has its revenge though, so I suppose that's something.

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post #34 of 53
8/10/12 at 3:59am
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That "good guy arc" is literally set up in ONE random scene with a little boy earlier and promptly forgotten until that moment.  No need to develop that plot or mine drama from it... I'm not saying this movie is perfect, but lets just say I would watch this in a heartbeat before something lazy and uninspired like ASM.  You can sense that there's some love for the character here amongst the occasional stupid thing.

I do agree with that. If you listen to the commentary track you can clearly hear how much they love and respect the character. That is why some of the wonkier bits are so confusing.

 

 

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I was going to cite Road House as a film that doesn't cop out like that: I could have sworn Dalton does something horrendous to Wesley at the end. But, sadly, a quick reminder using Wikipedia means I can't do that. At leas the "town" has its revenge though, so I suppose that's something.

Well thats the thing. I never read Daredevil for the brief stint that I was into comics as a kid but apparently Daredevil doesn't kill people. I don't have a problem with that, most comic book heroes don't. However if you set him up that way, having him kill throughout the movie only to pull back at the one time where you might be able to forgive him for breaking his rule is fucking stupid. Especially when you add in the secret identity part of it all. Not to mention that he attempted to kill a guy after he learns his lesson but right before he fight Kingpin. When he fight Bullseye he throws him off a fucking roof and he lands face down on a car. An after credit sequence reveals he lives but that looked life attempted murder to me.
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post #35 of 53
8/10/12 at 5:16am

This thread makes me smile. A request went out last year for Movie of the Day suggestions, and Erix galantly did Daredevil for me.

 

In my head, Daredevil is the great underated comic book film of our time. But everytime I watch it, it isn't nearly as good as I've convinced myself it is.

Having said that it will always have a place in my heart if only for... "I want a fookin' costume"

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post #36 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:01am

God, my DVD of this must be somewhere in the crawlspace...

 

I've always had a soft spot for the TC, ever since I dragged my bros with me to see it in the theatre. They liked it at the time as well. Sure, we were 18, young, dumb, full of etc., but a good movie is a good movie.

 

I just saw In Bruges the other day, so that joins Horrible Bosses and this in the trinity of Movies That Pretty Much Justify The Existence Of Colin Farrell. He's great when he's not experimenting to see how minimally he can act while hair of the doggin' it/perpetually coke hungover, a.k.a. his Miami Vice performance.
 

Anyways, back to Daredevil. Oh, it can be retarded. Oh so retarded. But somehow, according to 2003 pop culture logic, it friggin works.

 

Weirdly, I've never seen the DC. When I find myself in a Coolio mood, I say to myself "Time to watch the Fantastic Voyage music video and flash back to summer '94!". I do not say to myself "Time to finally buy that Daredevil DC! Coolio needs crack money!".

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post #37 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:30am

Wow, people have nice things to say about this film.

 

Is it the sandbags? The Evanescence and Nickelback? The atrocious wirework, a hallmark of almost all early aughts American studio films, at it's nadir here? Is it that playground fight which has no sense or logic? Is it that Ben Affleck chooses to play blind as "hung over"? Is it Michael Clarke Duncan's gloating, bizarrely pleased performance? Perhaps it's Daredevil's inconsistent-but-amazing healing factor? Or perhaps the Coolio?

 

This movie is awful.

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post #38 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:39am

You liked Lockout!!!

 

HOW CAN I TRUST YOU??

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post #39 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:41am

I do not see why people think Clarke Duncan works as menacing here. The guy is just obviously a cuddly, gentle-giant of a man playing "mean". He is not scary or intimidating. I think people just like his performance out of white guilt.

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post #40 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:44am

Green Mile was the last real performance out of him. Everything else, he can't resist smirking through a part. It's really bizarre, like there's some sort of inside joke we're not privy to.

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post #41 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:45am

I will say, before we get THAT breed of nerd in here, that Duncan was probably a good choice for Kingpin, as he's the only one with the proper heft. Just not a very good actor.

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post #42 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:46am
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I do not see why people think Clarke Duncan works as menacing here. The guy is just obviously a cuddly, gentle-giant of a man playing "mean". He is not scary or intimidating. I think people just like his performance out of white guilt.

 

Every time he's on screen he looks like he's struggling to refrain from hugging everyone else who's in the scene with him.

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post #43 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:55am

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post #44 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:56am

That's actually the quality about MCD that I love in this.

 

The guy just can't hide the fact that he's having a good time.

 

He looks like he's about to crack up in every take.

 

"Hey, Natchios?  How's your daughter?  (glowers... then GIGGLES)"

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post #45 of 53
8/10/12 at 9:56am
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I will say, before we get THAT breed of nerd in here, that Duncan was probably a good choice for Kingpin, as he's the only one with the proper heft. Just not a very good actor.

 

I think he's a fine actor for the right role, he's just not good as a cold-blooded murdering mob boss. His inner warmth shines through and ruins it. I don't care how large he is.

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post #46 of 53
8/10/12 at 10:00am
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That's actually the quality about MCD that I love in this.

 

The guy just can't hide the fact that he's having a good time.

 

He looks like he's about to crack up in every take.

 

"Hey, Natchios?  How's your daughter?  (glowers... then GIGGLES)"

 

He apparently had a blast making fun of Affleck's outfit on set.

 

They could have made it work for the Kingpin if they had made him a seemingly nice legit business man type who was really this secret mob boss. But every scene with Duncan plays him as this cold-blooded badass and it just doesn't work.

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post #47 of 53
8/10/12 at 10:04am
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I think he's a fine actor for the right role, he's just not good as a cold-blooded murdering mob boss. His inner warmth shines through and ruins it. I don't care how large he is.

 

Yeah, this. I like MCD. He's just not a Kingpin type.

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post #48 of 53
8/10/12 at 11:55am
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I remember seeing the movie in theaters in high school, and the audience erupting in laughter when this scene begins. The film just rings hollow, from beginning to end.

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post #49 of 53
8/10/12 at 2:52pm
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Maybe I just have a soft spot for Duncan, or maybe because he's the only human being alive I can imagine who has the "heft" of The Kingpin, but I liked him well enough in this.  Speaking as a guy who can appreciate true beefcake power, I fully believe that Duncan could break a mans neck with one hand.  The man's full on beef blow out bonanza.
 

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post #50 of 53
8/10/12 at 3:41pm

I'll never forget the arguments I had with a manager before the release whereupon he insisted a wrestler was a better choice than MCD. Scratched my head over that. However, as Sebastian and Gabe point out, the man's just too damn genial. As with many things to do with this movie, the look is fine, the execution is wrong.

 

There's gotta be a fancut out there that uses some of Graeme Revell's other work instead of the early aughts' needle-drops that date this so horribly. 

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