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The show would've been much better with Kyle Chandler as Lori. 

 



Or Brad Leland.

post #452 of 1655

"I had to kill my sister."

"Sucks, right?"

post #453 of 1655

Janky episode of moving chess pieces but I dug it.

post #454 of 1655

#BadConnection

post #455 of 1655

Who were the other voices besides Lori and Amy?  

 

I'm surprised the guys that went out with Merle weren't actually wearing red shirts.

post #456 of 1655

Hopefully the silly #BadConnection nonsense is behind us.  Aside from that, I liked this one.  Lots of Rooker.

post #457 of 1655

I liked the episode. The reveal about the phone came off way better than the spoilers indicated, and it looks like Michonne is about to become an actual character, so that's good. I also really liked Herschel's scene with Rick and Daryl's monologue about his mom.

post #458 of 1655

I'm really glad they didn't string out the telephone thing, and had it revealed in this episode. Yet another great thing this show has done. I think in the comic it actually lasted for two or 3 issues, but I'm not sure on that.

 

 

Pretty sure the last episode of this first half will have Merle and Co. finding the prison. Well, I hope so anyway, so we can have 8 episodes of sieges and counter-sieges on the prison.

post #459 of 1655
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They need Kyle Chandler in that role.

 

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You could say that about every role

 

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The show would've been much better with Kyle Chandler as Lori. 

 

 

You know what... I'd watch it. A one man, Being John Malkovich like, zombie apocalypse where Kyle Chandler plays all the roles. The twist? The phone call is the people in his head trying make sure he lives so they will not die.

post #460 of 1655
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Things I liked that we need more of:

 

-Giving the citizens of Woodbury a voice. This chick seemed cool and could relate to Andrea in that she's a bad shot. I have a feeling that a war is coming on and there will be casualties on both sides. It will come off more effective if we are shown that the other people aren't just evil fuckers for no reason, rather people that just found a  place they want to fight for.

-Little moments like Two-Dog finding the slippers.

 

The prison needs to be a place the characters can get comfortable in and be a safe haven worth defending. This needs to be established. Otherwise it's just a grimy abandoned building that so far has just had a bunch of really awful shit happen and who wouldn't want to leave?

post #461 of 1655

I wasn't as upset as the whole Carol reveal either, they hadn't establised her death and the Walking Dead seasons 1+ 2 would have handled her reveal a lot more clunkily, but in this episode, it actually seemed hopeful after Daryl's dilemma.  Pretty impressed this season.

 

Also, Shane was definitely not a voice on the phone right? Were they all dead members of the group?

post #462 of 1655

Wow does Andrea have rotten taste in men.

post #463 of 1655

Jesus Micchone, was the brutality in that pre credits scene really called for?!

post #464 of 1655

The best thing about the "Crazy Rick" scenes is that they're over. They've done their due diligence pretending that he and Lori had a relationship he or we should give a shit about, and now we can move on.

 

The rest of the episode was aces, though. Michonne v Merle, Merle taking captive two characters we care about, and the Governor telling him to torture them so he can get back to banging their friend... all solid plotting.

 

Even the quiet conversations were good this week. Herschel letting Rick work through his breakdown, Andrea n the olympic archer (HA!) comparing dead family as Daryl n Carl compare dead moms. It was all shockingly well-written and played.

 

I did realize though that Rick is now superfluous: Daryl is a better dad, a better warrior, a better boyfriend/husband, a more interesting character and is portrayed by a better actor. I just made myself a little sad by realizing how much better this show would be if they killed off Rick and made Daryl the lead. Especially once they match up against Merle and the Governor...

post #465 of 1655

This season has been pretty damn great. If anything, the last scene in each episode has been cliffhangertastic. Just that shot of Michonne with a shopping cart surrounded by zombies was badass.

post #466 of 1655

I may have mixed feelings about this show, but the last 2 episodes have been pretty darn good.

Oh good lord, Michael Rooker has been all kinds of awesome.

post #467 of 1655

Didn't really buy that kid's transition from pussy to determined hunter, but I liked Rooker ultimately wussing out. That will come back to bite him. Also loved the sound work during Lori's phone conversation, that was unhinged and creepy.

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So does anyone else think that Herschel didn't hear a dial tone when he picked up the phone?  If so, good poker face!

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So does anyone else think that Herschel didn't hear a dial tone when he picked up the phone?  If so, good poker face!

Isn't that the implication?

post #470 of 1655

As we all know, any show featuring Michael Rooker is instantly better. The fact that this show now features Michael Rooker... with a motherfucking knife for a hand? Well, there's absolutely no questions needed about why Season 3 of The Walking Dead is better than the two previous seasons.

post #471 of 1655
Shane should have called, telling him why he can't join this 'new group'.

Even if they introduce a Tyreese, I think either Glen or Merle will fulfill that particular arc. Tyreese will be more of an Abraham if he is ever introduced.
post #472 of 1655

This fucking show.  I can't look away, and will be with them until the end (both the show and the comic), but goddamn they are doing their best to push me away.  It's funny, a show about a zombie apocalypse, but it get yanked out of their universe during scenes like the one between Merle / Glen / Maggie.  I love Rooker, and love him on this show, but fuck off with what happened between the 3 of them.  Glen and Maggie are how hardened killers.  Yes, they aren't Rick or Darrel, but jesus they've been doing this for what, a year now?  And they each have a gun pointed at Merle, from what, 10-20 yards away?  So instead of asking him, oh you know, turn the fuck around, get down on the ground, or do what I would have done a put a fucking bullet in his head the second that I saw him, they just sit there with their mouths open while Rooker somehow closes the 20 yard gap and takes Maggie hostage.  While shitty Michonne sits back and watches.  Ugh, it's so dumb, and the constant barrage of bad decisions by every person on this show is just getting old.

 

Still, on on this train until the very end, so I guess I'm the dumb one!

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This fucking show.  I can't look away, and will be with them until the end (both the show and the comic), but goddamn they are doing their best to push me away.  It's funny, a show about a zombie apocalypse, but it get yanked out of their universe during scenes like the one between Merle / Glen / Maggie.  I love Rooker, and love him on this show, but fuck off with what happened between the 3 of them.  Glen and Maggie are how hardened killers.  Yes, they aren't Rick or Darrel, but jesus they've been doing this for what, a year now?  And they each have a gun pointed at Merle, from what, 10-20 yards away?  So instead of asking him, oh you know, turn the fuck around, get down on the ground, or do what I would have done a put a fucking bullet in his head the second that I saw him, they just sit there with their mouths open while Rooker somehow closes the 20 yard gap and takes Maggie hostage.  While shitty Michonne sits back and watches.  Ugh, it's so dumb, and the constant barrage of bad decisions by every person on this show is just getting old.

 

Still, on on this train until the very end, so I guess I'm the dumb one!

 

While that scene had issues, what could Michonne have done?  No gun, doesn't know Glen or Maggie, very far away.

post #474 of 1655

And wasn't Merle just kind of a racist asshole before? They don't know about his ties with the Governor and his looniness.

post #475 of 1655

A coked up racist asshole. 

post #476 of 1655
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While that scene had issues, what could Michonne have done?  No gun, doesn't know Glen or Maggie, very far away.

 

I'm not sure Michonne could have helped the situation necessarily, but the way to make the whole scene more realistic for me is once Merle shows up, Michonne pops out to warn Glen and Maggie (remember, Michonne has the ability to read people / sense bad situations, so maybe she reads Glen and Maggie as actual nice people).  When she does, both Glen and Maggie turn around, Merle pulls his gun, time to fight.  At least this way, it's plausible and Glen and Maggie don't blow away Merle the second they see him.

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And wasn't Merle just kind of a racist asshole before? They don't know about his ties with the Governor and his looniness.

 

Merle's looniness was evident in Season 1.  Everyone knew he was much more than a racist asshole even back then.  Now he shows up after all this time, bloodied, but in damn fine shape, all things considered.  Plus he has the obnoxious metal hand with a fucking 7-inch blade on it, that he "found in a medical supply store".  Two trained killers, with guns on him, and he's still able to reach around his back to grab his gun, fire shots, and make up a huge distance on Maggie in the blink of an eye.

post #477 of 1655

I'm kinda bummed that the writers seem to have scrapped the kinder gentler Merle.  Early on this season, it seemed like he'd reformed bit; he was a pillar of the community, he wasn't tweaked out of his mind all the time, he was enjoying nice little character beats with Andrea.  He seemed like a guy indebted to The Governor for taking him in and cleaning him up and giving him purpose; a guy who would really have to wrestle with that misplaced sense of loyalty once his brother showed up.

 

Then the gladiator fight happened and now hes back to being a wacky one-note crazy guy again.  Oh well.  

post #478 of 1655
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I'm kinda bummed that the writers seem to have scrapped the kinder gentler Merle.  Early on this season, it seemed like he'd reformed bit; he was a pillar of the community, he wasn't tweaked out of his mind all the time, he was enjoying nice little character beats with Andrea.  He seemed like a guy indebted to The Governor for taking him in and cleaning him up and giving him purpose; a guy who would really have to wrestle with that misplaced sense of loyalty once his brother showed up.

 

Then the gladiator fight happened and now hes back to being a wacky one-note crazy guy again.  Oh well.  

 

 

Gotta keep the plot moving. Also why The Governor will lose his nuance the further we go along.

post #479 of 1655

Man, I didn't like this episode nearly as much as you guys did. Nuts and bolts-wise, it did what it had to do. But large swaths of it were kind of preposterous.

 

THUD REVIEW: THE WALKING DEAD -- "HOUNDED" (S3E6)

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So does anyone else think that Herschel didn't hear a dial tone when he picked up the phone?  If so, good poker face!

 

Umm, if he heard a dial tone, then he's as crazy as Rick!

 

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While that scene had issues, what could Michonne have done?  No gun, doesn't know Glen or Maggie, very far away.

 

Plus, she doesn't know them, and she does know Merle will likely kill her on sight. If she'd done practically anything other than what she did, it would've been dumb.

 

My only problem with that scene is a standard storytelling one: if an evil person has a loved one at gunpoint, dropping your own gun in no way makes them SAFER. But practically every show/movie makes that mistake, so I give em a pass.

post #481 of 1655

I'm shocked at how terrible this was.  Bad acting, bad writing, wildly inconsistent characterizations (Andrea liked the gladiator shit when she clearly hated it that night?  And she smiles during "I had to kill my sister" bit???  Kid is a coward one minute, then wants to charge head long into the red zone of zombies after Michonne?  Rick having gone fully schizo getting phone calls of a "safe place" and closure with Lori?  Wow, it's probably the dumbest and most on the nose thing this show has done.  And he didn't even look at the baby when he came back to check on Carl!  And how did Carol not hear the guys in the hallway and cry out for help, because she was clearly awake when Daryl opened the door.  Glen and Maggie have guns on Merle, but just move out of the way when he draws?), and just boring as fuck.  What the hell happened?  It seems this season is all shock and awe but not much else.  Even the governor shit is starting to lose me.


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post #482 of 1655
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Man, I didn't like this episode nearly as much as you guys did. Nuts and bolts-wise, it did what it had to do. But large swaths of it were kind of preposterous.

 

THUD REVIEW: THE WALKING DEAD -- "HOUNDED" (S3E6)

 

This.

post #483 of 1655
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My only problem with that scene is a standard storytelling one: if an evil person has a loved one at gunpoint, dropping your own gun in no way makes them SAFER. But practically every show/movie makes that mistake, so I give em a pass.

 

That's a great point. The captor can only enrage the gun pointed at them from the loved one if they kill their main squeeze. In fact they are almost guaranteeing that they WILL be shot at if they go through with their threat.

post #484 of 1655
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Even if they introduce a Tyreese, I think either Glen or Merle will fulfill that particular arc. Tyreese will be more of an Abraham if he is ever introduced.

 

 

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I'd put odds on them changing the roles in that scenario. Daryl becomes Michonne, and the Governor murders Carole in front of him.

post #485 of 1655

So we've been speculating since Season 1 that when Merle finally met back up with the Atlanta group he would take vengeance on T-Dog (oh well!) and/or Rick, but is it possible his greatest anger is reserved for Daryl, for not coming to his rescue?  I could almost see the show suddenly revealing Merle's deranged perception of broken loyalty in service of a Cain and Abel ending.

post #486 of 1655

I almost wish there hadn’t been a comic book for this show to be based on. It seems to me that it’s the original characters who are the most interesting, mainly because their destinies haven’t already been mapped out in little comic book panels and the writers seem to be able to do more with them. Daryl is probably my favorite character in the show and I love Merle too (although whether I’d love him as much if he wasn’t played by Michael Rooker is another story). Still, at least the writers aren’t just making a straight adaptation and are playing around with things that happened in the comic. 

post #487 of 1655

Oh, and Rick is slowly morphing into Shane. 

post #488 of 1655
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I'm shocked at how terrible this was.  Bad acting, bad writing, wildly inconsistent characterizations (Andrea liked the gladiator shit when she clearly hated it that night?  And she smiles during "I had to kill my sister" bit???  Kid is a coward one minute, then wants to charge head long into the red zone of zombies after Michonne?  Rick having gone fully schizo getting phone calls of a "safe place" and closure with Lori?  Wow, it's probably the dumbest and most on the nose thing this show has done.  And he didn't even look at the baby when he came back to check on Carl!  And how did Carol not hear the guys in the hallway and cry out for help, because she was clearly awake when Daryl opened the door.  Glen and Maggie have guns on Merle, but just move out of the way when he draws?), and just boring as fuck.  What the hell happened?  It seems this season is all shock and awe but not much else.  Even the governor shit is starting to lose me.

 

As noted, Andrea didn't leave the fights. And she complained about them trivializing the zombies, not about barbarism, etc.

 

On Andrea smiling, yeah. I'm not impressed with that actress. She plays Andrea as alternately smirking and gutpunched. The Governor's blowing her off the screen.

 

The kid was cowardly until Michonne killed his two friends, then he wanted revenge.

 

No argument on Rick's phone call. I don't care that it's from the comic book; it's dumb to include it, especially when your version of Rick and Lori never seemed particularly in love.

 

We don't know how coherent Carol was, but screaming out when zombies are around isn't always a good idea.

 

Maggie and Glen are used to killing zombies. Shooting living people is really beyond their level of instinct.

 

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That's a great point. The captor can only enrage the gun pointed at them from the loved one if they kill their main squeeze. In fact they are almost guaranteeing that they WILL be shot at if they go through with their threat.


Exactly.

 

I've never gotten why the standard film trope is to drop your gun and count on the mercy/rational behavior of the guy who just put a gun to someone's head!

post #489 of 1655

I can't blame Andrea on the actress. The character is written terribly, replacing Lori's season 1 and 2 status as "the character who makes me groan every time she appears." I still liked the Herschel/Rick and Daryl/Carl scenes, in part because they were quiet changes of pace.

post #490 of 1655

One thing I did really like about this week’s episode was Merle being unable to pronounce the kid’s name until after he killed him, only for him to completely forget the name again when confronted by the Governor.  

post #491 of 1655

All i know the dead are cute biggrin.gif .Ya'll should consider Games of Thrones.The dead is way cool!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Make you christmas warm on Forever Lazy Pajamas ."

post #492 of 1655

You scare me.

post #493 of 1655
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As noted, Andrea didn't leave the fights. And she complained about them trivializing the zombies, not about barbarism, etc.

 

On Andrea smiling, yeah. I'm not impressed with that actress. She plays Andrea as alternately smirking and gutpunched. The Governor's blowing her off the screen.

 

The kid was cowardly until Michonne killed his two friends, then he wanted revenge.

 

No argument on Rick's phone call. I don't care that it's from the comic book; it's dumb to include it, especially when your version of Rick and Lori never seemed particularly in love.

 

We don't know how coherent Carol was, but screaming out when zombies are around isn't always a good idea.

 

Maggie and Glen are used to killing zombies. Shooting living people is really beyond their level of instinct.

 

Andrea was clearly disturbed by the fights.  She was repulsed, indicated by her body language the look on her face and in what she said.  The next day she admits she liked them.  That's an instantaneous flip flop that makes zero sense.

 

The kid was cowardly AFTER Michonne killed his friends.  He didn't want to go on until Merle forced him to.  After Michonne comes back and the walkers attack in the middle of her attack, she escapes again.  Then Merle is happy to leave, which is exactly what the kid wanted to do minutes earlier...but suddenly the kid wants to go after her deep into the red zone of zombies.  No, doesn't make sense at all.  Another instantaneous flip flop.

 

Daryl and the others had been in the hallway talking and there were no zombies present...they were literally right next to the room Carol was in.  Unless she believes zombies now speak english, it makes no sense for her to just sit there and say nothing.  When Daryl opened the door, she was clearly awake and didn't have her throat ripped out, so what was stopping her from calling out?

 

The Maggie Glen thing is even worse upon closer inspection.  They love each other.  Glen especially knows how dangerous Merle is.  Maggie sees he has a knife for a hand and a moment ago had a gun on them.  Both Maggie and Glen has every reason to hair trigger that situation, their loved ones life was at stake...yet as soon as Merle makes a move they dive out of the way.  Shooting a zombie is no different than shooting a human, they're both targets made of meat, with similar size and shape.  How is shooting a person "beyond their level of instinct"?  You have a gun on somebody, all it takes is a trigger squeeze, especially if they're a threat to a loved one.

 

Now these are things I could've ignored if they weren't all piled into one episode.  Separately they're sort of forgiveable.  

post #494 of 1655

Maybe Andrea just wanted to get laid.

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Andrea was clearly disturbed by the fights.  She was repulsed, indicated by her body language the look on her face and in what she said.  The next day she admits she liked them.  That's an instantaneous flip flop that makes zero sense. 

 

I think she meant she was invigorated by fighting zombies. That she liked to battle. I don't think she reversed her opinion on the fake gladiator thing.

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So we've been speculating since Season 1 that when Merle finally met back up with the Atlanta group he would take vengeance on T-Dog (oh well!) and/or Rick, but is it possible his greatest anger is reserved for Daryl, for not coming to his rescue?  I could almost see the show suddenly revealing Merle's deranged perception of broken loyalty in service of a Cain and Abel ending.

 

It's like Khan getting mad at Chekov. He wasn't even there!

 

Surprisingly, I thought the hokey stuff with the telephone was handled with enough grace to almost...almost...work. 

post #497 of 1655
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Bad news for O-Dog, a new black character (Tyrese from the comics) is coming to the show:

 

 

http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/20/cutty-from-the-wire-joins-the-walking-dead/

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I think she meant she was invigorated by fighting zombies. 

 

Anything's possible but I feel that was not conveyed properly by the writers if true.  It just has all the hallmarks of bad writing.  A character is obviously feeling one way (behavior conveys feelings more than dialogue), then turns around and says the complete opposite the next day without a hint of irony or subtext.  She literally says the line with a straight face and the matter is dropped.  

post #499 of 1655

Seemed pretty clear to me. Gov calls her out on jumping the fence to grease some zombies, she admits she likes fighting them and he tells her not to feel bad about that because he likes it too. The arena fights are another matter. She maintains that it trivializes the zombies. The common folk in Woodbury are pretty insulated from harm, letting the wall guards and Merle's crew handle the dirty work. In doing so, Andrea feels that they will be ill equipped to cope with the inevitable onslaught of a herd.

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Shooting a zombie is no different than shooting a human, they're both targets made of meat, with similar size and shape. 

 

Uhh, wow. That's a line you should repeat to your therapist. smile.gif

 

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I can't blame Andrea on the actress. The character is written terribly, replacing Lori's season 1 and 2 status as "the character who makes me groan every time she appears." I still liked the Herschel/Rick and Daryl/Carl scenes, in part because they were quiet changes of pace.


Her scenes this season really aren't terribly written, though. Her seduction by the Governor and his town -should- be working better than it is, and for me the big problem is that the actor playing the Governor is so thoroughly dominating every scene they share that it makes his affection towards her seem inexplicable.

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