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post #551 of 1655

The offscreen pilot murder is actually in service of making his psychoses even more apparent, though. Seeing that particular severed head is supposed to be the full stop on the reveal of his craziness: "Yeah, he collects zombie heads. A little weird, but okay - OOHHHHHH SHIT THAT GUY WASN'T A ZOMBIE!".
 


Edited by Andrew Merriweather - 11/26/12 at 8:53am
post #552 of 1655
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The offscreen pilot murder is actually in service of making his psychoses even more apparent, though. Seeing that particularly severed head is supposed to be the full stop on the reveal of craziness.
 

 

Hmm, I wonder if it would have worked better for me had the aquarium-head reveal been saved until episode six or seven. (Although no one would have remembered what the pilot's face looked like for that long.)

 

Again, it's almost like they dropped that bit -- which undoubtedly says "crazy" -- and then kind of pulled back from it. Or maybe I just don't like it when the viewer is so far out in front of the characters. We know the Governor's not entirely stable, but Andrea still hasn't figured it out.

post #553 of 1655

Andrea still hasn't figured out that fucking every guy who lets her shoot a gun is a bad idea.

 

Poor Dale. If only he'd let her hold that rifle more often.
 

post #554 of 1655
One thing that is sorta bugging me....lying to and hiding your secret Headquarium (TM) from a small group is one thing, but lying to a group of 70 +/- is a little more difficult unless you are the leader of a group of hardcore (religious) fundamentalist followers.
If they had shown some of the townspeople fawning over and being insanely thankful to Gov. Crazypants, I could see how they would be willingly oblivious to his extracurricular activities.
post #555 of 1655

Andrea's an idiot. Her goo-goo eyes over the Governor make me laugh with derision. What a fucking ninny.

 

Michonne: still not a character. She's humorless and has a sword. Whoopee.

 

I thought the scene with Carol returning to the group was really well-acted. The scenes where the characters are reacting to the aftermath of their latest crisis are almost always my favorite. They feel the most true, at least.

 

So a hermit's been hiding in his house for what, a year? Had no idea that a zombie apocalypse had occurred? Really? Shut up.

post #556 of 1655

Hermit scene is/was hilarious.

 

Writers room:

 

"Any ideas?"

"How about the group encounters like this guy that doesn't know what's happening in the world and is living with his dead dog?"

"Haha. WRITE IT."

 

Glenn scene was legit great. 

Milton scene was legit not.

post #557 of 1655
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I thought the scene with Carol returning to the group was really well-acted. The scenes where the characters are reacting to the aftermath of their latest crisis are almost always my favorite. They feel the most true, at least.

 

I immediately thought of LOST during this scene.  They could do reflective group hugs set to sad piano music like nobody's business.

post #558 of 1655
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A question I was wondering about, could it have been from a creative standpoint better to have not shown the scene with the National Guard and instead just have the Governor and his men set out and then return with all of those trucks, thereby leaving some ambiguity (well, for the non comic readers anyway) for a while longer about what the Governor is really like and how those bullet holes ended up in the trucks (so there's grounds for suspicion but not absolutely so to the viewer) for starters.

 

All in all, I guess maybe it's possible to have left it at least a bit ambiguous as to whether the Governor was doing what he was doing because he was extremely paranoid from his point of view in terms of protecting his community as opposed to out and out evil.

 

(You'd have to lose the scene with the room full of heads until later too for this to work, I suppose).

This is a really good idea, imo.  Also: I think maybe saving the zombie daughter reveal for later would have been better. Maybe have someone else find her and he freak out? As it stands it was an extremely short and odd-placed scene that had no lasting impact or ramifications. Just another notch in the Governor = Crazy belt. I feel like you're doing it wrong when a guy tenderly caring for his zombie daughter is given the same amount of weight as him writing ///// over and over again in a notebook.

post #559 of 1655

Daryl killing Merle is going to happen, right? I can't see a way around it.

post #560 of 1655

Really enjoyed this week's episode despite its faults. I think Glen's battle with a zombie whilst tied to a chair is one of my favorite scenes of the season, and I felt strangely emotional at the unspoken grief between Carol and Rick at Lori's passing. I loved Rick's "Woah! Motherfucker, you actually just did that!" face after Michonne killed the hermit.

post #561 of 1655
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This could be the all time worst/best promo placement ever: (Warning, Battlestar Galactica spoilers for those who haven't seen Season 4 and want to)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcum6lPrRo

 

Thank you for the spoiler warning!  I am one episode into the 4th season of BSG and definitely don't want to be spoiled...Cylon Baby could learn a thing or two from you.

 

Decent enough episode.  Still lots of problems though.  Michonne is beyond useless to me, she's just a mean face with a sword at this point.  What is it with this show's black characters?  Even Merle has been provided some balance.  New black face ex-prisoner is proving to be T-Dog 2.0.  I hope to God Andrea is next...not even turned, just totally eaten like Grandpa senile at the cabin.  Glenn, Daryl, Maggie and Hershel (and possibly Merle, if they drop the cartoonish shit) are pretty much the only characters worth a damn at this point.  Everyone else can fuck off.

post #562 of 1655
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I felt strangely emotional at the unspoken grief between Carol and Rick at Lori's passing.

I also liked Daryl working himself up to potentially discover Carol's body behind that partially open door at the end of last weeks episode.
post #563 of 1655

Some people aren't as forgiving for Michonne quickly joining the group, but I don't think it is that far-fetched. (It would help if Michonne was more of a character and less of a robot) The group and her are pretty similar imo, as they are both survivors living on the run for months, they're both blunt, Rick just told her she wasn't going to be able to leave, while the Gov played his mind games with her.  It's reasonable to think that Michonne can respect that a little more, and her seeing the group hug and kiss after Carol's return also demonstrates a trust and community the group has that was never present in Woodbury. We never learned much about anybody in Woodbury who wasnt Merle/Gov/Scientist

 

Are there still faults with plot and writing? Of course, Merle's kidnapping of Glenn/Maggie was really fucking stupid, why allow Glenn to get eaten by a zombie if they want information? Michonne not mentioning Merle's name was weak, and the list could go on, but the last episode was definitely a highlight of the year.

 

I just hope they dont turn the mid-season finale into one big paintball shootout.

post #564 of 1655
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Daryl killing Merle is going to happen, right? I can't see a way around it.


They seem like they're setting up a moment where one of them will have to make some change of allegiances for the other.  I wonder if Merle will somehow find redemption.

post #565 of 1655

And what is it with TV shows doing this mid season break shit?  That is getting really, really annoying.

post #566 of 1655
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It's almost to the point where I'd wish they'd drop the pretensions of making this a complex villain and just go full-on crazy with him. Anyone agree with me here? Am I getting that point across in the review?


I don't know. It seems to me that they've done a fairly effective job of portraying the Governor as a potential Future-Rick. He's so obsessed with the safety of his group that he sees everyone else as a threat.

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that they showed Rick "lightly" torturing Michonne alongside the Governor's treatment of Glenn and Maggie. Or that we saw how Rick handled the inmates so soon after the Governor dealt with the army (and Michonne). The Governor has a room full of Futurama heads mouthing silently at him, while Rick gets phantom phone calls from the dead.

 

Having the Governor not rape Maggie plays into that similarity. It seemed like something he felt he HAD to do, rather than something he WANTED to. Rick's not at that point now, but he's not that far off.

post #567 of 1655
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Having the Governor not rape Maggie plays into that similarity. It seemed like something he felt he HAD to do, rather than something he WANTED to. Rick's not at that point now, but he's not that far off.

I don't buy this at all. What are the indications that he's doing something he's hesitant to do? 

post #568 of 1655

That he doesn't carry through with it?

post #569 of 1655
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That he doesn't carry through with it?

So he threatens her with sexual violence, but he doesn't go through with it, which makes him a complex villain? Sorry, I don't buy that at all. He's clearly being set up as the key antagonist that our protagonists will have to deal with. Any attempts to parallel his behavior with Rick's is, to me, a major stretch. If that's what the writers are trying to accomplish, then they've failed. There were some feints towards ambiguity, but none of them convinced me that he's not going to be the show's Big Bad going forward.

 

Put it this way: If he had been written to be an ambiguous character, it would have made his relationship with Andrea seem remotely plausible. Instead, Andrea comes across as a gullible buffoon who's head over heels for a psycho.

post #570 of 1655
I think maybe he just decided it wouldn't be effective, or got the idea to threaten her with Glenn's life (which seems like a pretty obvious tactic, but whatevs) and decided to run with that instead. Or it could just have been an empty threat all along, I guess.

I agree with those who say they're having a hard time getting a handle on the Governor. He seems to have about five different speeds: the shy, affable, somewhat lonely type who's been flirting with Andrea, the more serious version of same who emerges when he has to justify his seemingly bizarre/depraved actions (like the zombie cage fight), the guy who's able to subtly threaten and intimidate Merle while remaining outwardly pleasant, the over-the-top, politician-like grandiosity he displays when trying to 'win over' Michonne (which seems so blatantly insincere that I can't help but doubt whether he's actually trying to persuade her at all - seems like maybe he's just goading her)... and, finally, the psychopath who slaughters those who might challenge his authority, keeps a collection of zombie heads in his study and his zombiefied daughter in the pantry, sneeringly forces Maggie to undress and then threatens her with rape, and so on. I can't figure out whether one of these personae is the real one and the rest are just an act, or what? Is he genuinely being himself, for instance, when he's with Andrea, or is he just manipulating her? If so, to what purpose? Was his treatment of Maggie an example of his true sadism rising to the surface, or simply an (admittedly despicable) interrogation technique - chosen because he thought it might be an effective way to unnerve her, and discarded just as quickly when a 'better' idea popped into his head?
post #571 of 1655

I must say, it's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks the presentation of the Governor as a character has been kind of a scattershot mess.

post #572 of 1655
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The Governor is almost cartoonishly evil.  

 

 

All that's missing is a mustache to twirl. 

post #573 of 1655

Actually, the scariest thing to happen during The Walking Dead this week was this bullshit right here:

 

AMC Networks Warns Verizon FiOS Customers That Channels Could Go Dark

 

I'm a FiOS customer, and while I wouldn't be happy missing the second half of this season, I suppose I could live with it. But if this shit isn't resolved by the time Breaking Bad gears back up for its final run next summer, there will be much panicking in my household.

post #574 of 1655
Thread Starter 

"Do you want to go with us to raid Woodbury, O-Dog? We haven't had any group deaths in a couple episodes and there's a couple more black actors coming down the pike and we're gonna need some cannon fodder so it seems like there is some risk involved. Plus, you've been having an awful lot of lines here lately....so...wanna come?"
 

post #575 of 1655
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I'm a FiOS customer, and while I wouldn't be happy missing the second half of this season, I suppose I could live with it. But if this shit isn't resolved by the time Breaking Bad gears back up for its final run next summer, there will be much panicking in my household.

You know, if that does end up happening, torrents aren't all that bad.

post #576 of 1655
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You know, if that does end up happening, torrents aren't all that bad.

STOP IT! We are supposed to pretend those don't exist. Even if you already pay out good money to your provider who then turns around and fucks you like mine did with a different network.

post #577 of 1655
Just illegal, and being increasingly cracked down upon in some venues.
post #578 of 1655
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 Any attempts to parallel his behavior with Rick's is, to me, a major stretch. 

The writers aren't exactly exploring this to its fullest degree, but it's been pretty obvious, imo. Especially when Michonne showed up at the prison and Rick kept her isolated, took her sword and told her she couldn't leave. I found it a bit heavy-handed, actually.

post #579 of 1655
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"Do you want to go with us to raid Woodbury, O-Dog? We haven't had any group deaths in a couple episodes and there's a couple more black actors coming down the pike and we're gonna need some cannon fodder so it seems like there is some risk involved. Plus, you've been having an awful lot of lines here lately....so...wanna come?"
 

 

"You want my best bud that you guys don't really trust yet to come with us?"

"No. He's white."

post #580 of 1655

About Torrents, just buy the damn thing off Amazon or Itunes or Google. I went Cable free a couple of years ago during a time of decreased revenue. I bought all the shows that mattered to me that I couldn' watch with friends: Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Archer, Its Always Sunny. I spent way less than I would ever spend on Cable or satellite.

post #581 of 1655

Also very true.  It's not like your provider has you hostage. 

post #582 of 1655
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Also very true.  It's not like your provider has you hostage. 

Actually if you live in an area where you only get cable or if you have signed a 2 year contract with direct tv or dish network then yeah you kind of are.

post #583 of 1655

That preview clip shown on last night's "Talking Dead"? Oh mannnnn! Like Hardwick said, there's no way that's going to end well!  eek.gif

post #584 of 1655
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And what is it with TV shows doing this mid season break shit?  That is getting really, really annoying.

 

God yes, it's the most frustrating thing on the planet. Just as you're starting to get into the season they take a break. What's the fucking point of it? 

post #585 of 1655

If any show needs to break during the holidays, it's The Walking Dead. It would be so awkward to have a Woodbury Christmas episode this year.
 


Edited by Agent Z - 11/27/12 at 4:03am
post #586 of 1655

A Very Walking Dead Christmas? I'd watch that!

post #587 of 1655
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About Torrents, just buy the damn thing off Amazon or Itunes or Google. I went Cable free a couple of years ago during a time of decreased revenue. I bought all the shows that mattered to me that I couldn' watch with friends: Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Archer, Its Always Sunny. I spent way less than I would ever spend on Cable or satellite.

 

Yeah, this is the route I'd almost certainly take. Just not sure which distribution services AMC has deals with. Hopefully they resolve their deal with Verizon, and it's not something I have to figure out.

post #588 of 1655

$3.00 an episode?! Ummm, I would rather just wait it out and buy the season boxset when it comes to blu/dvd. 

post #589 of 1655

Now I can't stop thinking about what a Walking Dead Christmas special would be like. 

post #590 of 1655
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Now I can't stop thinking about what a Walking Dead Christmas special would be like. 

Maybe something like this:

 

 

 

 

..with some Christmas carols. 

post #591 of 1655
That is what is wrong with the Governor. He is the only one who knows where all the presents are hidden.
Edited by Turingmachine75 - 11/27/12 at 9:10am
post #592 of 1655
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Maybe something like this:

 

 

 

 

..with some Christmas carols. 

 

"And what happened then? Well, in Woodbury they say - that Andrea's small brain grew three sizes that day."

post #593 of 1655
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Andrea's an idiot. Her goo-goo eyes over the Governor make me laugh with derision. What a fucking ninny.

 

Michonne: still not a character. She's humorless and has a sword. Whoopee.

 

I thought the scene with Carol returning to the group was really well-acted. The scenes where the characters are reacting to the aftermath of their latest crisis are almost always my favorite. They feel the most true, at least.

 

So a hermit's been hiding in his house for what, a year? Had no idea that a zombie apocalypse had occurred? Really? Shut up.

 

I'd be more likely to believe it if the cabin really was in the middle of nowhere, like something comparable to the least densely populated area in Wyoming but with hordes of zombies all around the place within a stone's throw of his front door ... not so much. Maybe he was just drunk and had forgotten temporarily or something like that.

 

Might have been worth it if Rick did have his police ID on him and it led to an argument about the fact he was out of his jurisdiction perhaps ...

post #594 of 1655

The dude's dead dog was lying on the floor next to him, rotting. Why are people examining the realism of his his being out of touch with current events when he was clearly out of touch with -reality-?

post #595 of 1655
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The dude's dead dog was lying on the floor next to him, rotting. Why are people examining the realism of his his being out of touch with current events when he was clearly out of touch with -reality-?

 

Because the whole scene was random and silly and pointless?

post #596 of 1655
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And what is it with TV shows doing this mid season break shit?  That is getting really, really annoying.

 

I doubt this will make you feel any better but sometimes in the UK, they decide to take a year (or years) off between seasons ... which are often as little as 4 to 6 episodes to start with.

 

A serious contender for some sort of award for time between seasons would be Red Dwarf, with 9 to 10 years between Season 8 and a Back to Earth special and about 12 to 13 years between Season 8 and Season 9.

post #597 of 1655

I actually like the shorter seasons and break. I wish more shows did this. 

post #598 of 1655
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A serious contender for some sort of award for time between seasons would be Red Dwarf, with 9 to 10 years between Season 8 and a Back to Earth special and about 12 to 13 years between Season 8 and Season 9.

 

Jesus.

post #599 of 1655
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A serious contender for some sort of award for time between seasons would be Red Dwarf, with 9 to 10 years between Season 8 and a Back to Earth special and about 12 to 13 years between Season 8 and Season 9.

If we had to wait twelve to thirteen years for the next season of The Walking Dead, Carl would probably be played by an obese man with three divorces behind him and a Valium addiction.

 

(Buck the trend of child actors, Chandler Riggs! We're all rooting for you!)

post #600 of 1655

If we had to wait twelve to thirteen years for the next season of The Walking Dead, the zombie craze would be over and they wouldn't air it.

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