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post #851 of 1655

Glenn Mazzara's out as show-runner for the fourth season. Nice one AMC, he gets one less season than Veena Sudd did on The Killing.

post #852 of 1655

WHAT.

 

THE.

 

FUCK?

post #853 of 1655

Ok yeah this makes no sense, AMC.  Did he quit or was he fired?

post #854 of 1655

Maybe the head of AMC is tied up in some sort of Brewster's Millions-type scenario, where he really needs this show to fail and in a comedic series of mishaps, everything he does to sabotage it, only makes its ratings grow.

post #855 of 1655

The suits at AMC realized that what people really want to see from this show are people killing zombies over and over...so in order to up the zombie quotient, they had to find more money. I'm sure getting rid of the person running the show will allow them to plenty of extra cash to spend on fake blood and guts.

post #856 of 1655

Show's more popular than ever, receiving better reviews and WOM, and viewers are happy. Sounds like a GREAT idea to chase out the guy responsible for it.

 

From what I can tell, AMC wants to be a prestige basic cable channel without having to, you know, actually make great shows. 

post #857 of 1655
Everybody gets two half-seasons.
post #858 of 1655
"This show practically runs itself! Dollars!" -AMC Exec
post #859 of 1655
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Ok yeah this makes no sense, AMC.  Did he quit or was he fired?

 

They had a "difference of opinion about where the show should go moving forward".

post #860 of 1655

This only further heightens my fears of the second half of the third season crapping the bed (i.e. Merle being a mole subplot).

 

post #861 of 1655

Glen Mazzara: picks up phone, dials #  "Hey Frank, it's me Glen....you were right....yeah I'll call you back later to talk more. See ya"

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post #863 of 1655

Shawn Ryan, who used to employ Mazzara as a writer/producer on The Shield, is going nuts on Twitter:

 

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Breaking my Twitter silence to comment: AMC, WTF?

 

Common knowledge that AMC cut Breaking Bad shorter than it should have been. Now you have creative differences w/ biggest hit's savior?

 

With FX, Showtime, HBO, Starz, Cinemax, A&E, TNT and others to sell to, it's a real question now why good show runners should sell to AMC?

post #864 of 1655

Yeah, uh... I can't come up with a single reason to explain this. Not even a bad one.

 

In the next year, AMC will lose Breaking Bad and Mad Men, will lose the guy that turned The Walking Dead into a good show, and will bring back The Killing. That's like, FOUR STRIKES.

 

It may be best to watch the back half of season 3 as a series finale and just save ourselves the trouble.

post #865 of 1655
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It may be best to watch the back half of season 3 as a series finale and just save ourselves the trouble.

 

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't even feel right supporting this network in any capacity anymore. Interesting that Ryan hinted that Vince Gilligan wanted more time to wrap up Breaking Bad than what he actually got.

 

Interesting and infuriating.

post #866 of 1655

Breaking Bad should've definitely had two full seasons, especially looking at where the show is now.

post #867 of 1655

They should have given BB and Gilligan whatever the hell he wanted, they should be on their knees blowing everybody associated with that show.  w/o Mad Men and Breaking Bad, AMC would still be showing Rocky marathons and trivia pop up movies.

 

Some chewer up there said we're losing Mad Men next year also, I thought it was going to run 7 seasons with season6 being the next one?

post #868 of 1655
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The suits at AMC realized that what people really want to see from this show are people killing zombies over and over...so in order to up the zombie quotient, they had to find more money. I'm sure getting rid of the person running the show will allow them to plenty of extra cash to spend on fake blood and guts.

 

Darabont said AMC fired him because they wanted to save money.  Wouldn't surprise me if they did the same to Mazzara.

post #869 of 1655
Thread Starter 

I thought Breaking Bad runners fought to pick their end date? Now they're saying it came too soon?
 

post #870 of 1655

I had heard that Gilligan got everything he wanted out of a deal, and that if anything AMC wanted to extend it further than a Season 5. Gilligan was adament they end it lest it be dragged out. I'm inclined to take him at his word until 's something more substantial comes out than a twitter rant.

post #871 of 1655
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I had heard that Gilligan got everything he wanted out of a deal, and that if anything AMC wanted to extend it further than a Season 5.

 

AMC initially only offered a four episode final season.  Sony threatened to take the show to FX.

post #872 of 1655

Kurt Sutter was also not amused:

 

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Time and time again we see events like what happened today with Glen Mazzara. They continue to disrespect writers, shit on their audience and bury their network.


http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/12/21/walking-dead-glen-mazzara-kurt-sutter/

post #873 of 1655

AMC: Story Matters Here...But Apparently Not Showrunners.
 

I mean, let's just think about how things have gone with AMC's showrunners on all their dramas to date:

 

  • Breaking Bad and Mad Men have held onto their showrunners for their entire runs, but not without some brutal negotiations that jeopardized the future of both shows.
  • Rubicon: They fired the show's initial showrunner after the pilot. And hell, if they had renewed it, they probably would've fired Bromell, hoping it would lead to better Season 2 ratings.
  • Hell on Wheels: That show, THREE showrunners, and they still couldn't hang on to ANY of them.
  • The Walking Dead: On their third showrunner now, going into a fourth season.
  • The Killing: To Veena Sud, they have shown absolute loyalty. Veena fucking Sud!

 

Judging from AMC's relentless flogging of reality shows like Small Town Security and Freaks, and their money-based conflicts with the creators of quality shows that are actually worth watching, their business plan seems to have the goal of turning the network into the next VH-1.

 

For myself, watching a show just because it's on AMC is now a thing of the past -- they got lucky with two all-time greats, but they can't seem to get out of their own way since.

post #874 of 1655
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AMC initially only offered a four episode final season.  Sony threatened to take the show to FX.

 

Right, at the end of the day Gilligan got what he wanted, but not without AMC low-balling first.  I don't know if it was four episodes that was offered for the final season, but I think it was less than eight.

 

As for The Walking Dead, it's clear that AMC is doing this mostly because they can.  The show is a cash cow and they have full ownership of it, so we can look forward to it being micromanaged into banality by a confederacy of dunces whereas the other shows could always threaten to court other networks.  The fact that they say Mazzara will remain showrunner for the third season's "post-production" tells me that the back half is already shot and will probably play out as intended.  Lord knows what season four will look like.

post #875 of 1655
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  Lord knows what season four will look like.

 

They'll find another farm house.

post #876 of 1655
Thread Starter 

Kirkman is still involved. I imagine the show will just adhere more to comic book continuity.

post #877 of 1655

AMC is the Jerry Jones of TV Networks.

post #878 of 1655

It seems that AMC briefly wanted to be a prestige network, but then they realized their revenue was tied to advertising and not paid subscriptions, so they said "Fuck it, let's LCD it up!"

post #879 of 1655

But the more people watch, the more advertising money they get (highly watched networks are able to charge advertisers more)...if they start fucking with the formula that makes them successful, viewership has a good chance of falling off, which means advertisers wont pay as much...honestly I don't see how the shareholders even tolerate AMC's behavior.  As Michael Eisner said "don't fuck with your brand".

post #880 of 1655

After the last time they did this, the viewership went up.  It makes sense, as this show seems to be a ratings juggernaut regardless of quality they just want a yes-man running it.
 

post #881 of 1655

But the viewership went up because the show got better...if you take out the man (supposedly) responsible, then they're in danger of losing the viewers they gained (or kept from earlier).  Shows do not stay popular when they start sucking.

post #882 of 1655
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Shows do not stay popular when they start sucking.

 

"Reba" went six seasons. SIX SEASONS.

post #883 of 1655
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"Reba" went six seasons. SIX SEASONS.

 

I should have said "quality shows do not stay popular when they start sucking".

post #884 of 1655
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I should have said "quality shows do not stay popular when they start sucking".

 

 

I'm not quite sure TWD has ever done more than flirt with the "quality" label. 

post #885 of 1655
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I'm not quite sure TWD has ever done more than flirt with the "quality" label. 

 

Not according to the last 17 pages of this thread.

post #886 of 1655



Ratings have jackshit to do with quality.

post #887 of 1655

Reba is actually a better show than 90% of the crap sitcoms out there.  I'd put it in the same good but not great column as "Home Improvement" and "Bosom Buddies".

post #888 of 1655

A show like Walking Dead, with it's target audience, does not stay popular if it starts sucking. I have many friends who checked out in Season 2, only to come back when they heard it got better. A show like Reba does not have this kind of audience.

 

...and thus ends another bizarre comparison.

post #889 of 1655
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Ratings have jackshit to do with quality.

It's pretty much this.  I don't have a lot of data to back this up, but I've got to believe that this show has grown beyond its initial target audience.  This has ratings almost twice as high as Sons of Anarchy, and more than twice American Horror Story or Breaking Bad.  You don't get to be the most watched show in cable history by appealing only to internet nerds and horror fans, otherwise Snakes on a Plane would have made more money.  I'm sure they have some overlap in the audience for shows like Jersey Shore or Swamp Wars, and those people don't care about showrunners or quality. 

post #890 of 1655
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A show like Walking Dead, with it's target audience, does not stay popular if it starts sucking. I have many friends who checked out in Season 2, only to come back when they heard it got better. A show like Reba does not have this kind of audience.

 

...and thus ends another bizarre comparison.

 

Exactly, saying that ratings have nothing to do with quality is a very simplistic view of things. Just look at how quickly Heroes' ratings turned to shit once the Bryan Fuller left.

post #891 of 1655
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A show like Walking Dead, with it's target audience, does not stay popular if it starts sucking. 

 

Not sure it ever started not sucking, but it's got zombies and guns, which are pretty big in the American consciousness, as well as pretty high production values.

 

As for Heroes, don't know if that show was ever good either.  Could be wrong, though. 

post #892 of 1655
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As for Heroes, don't know if that show was ever good either.  Could be wrong, though. 

 

Heroes was aces until the last few episodes of season 1.

post #893 of 1655
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Kirkman is still involved. I imagine the show will just adhere more to comic book continuity.

 

 

I hope not. They stayed in the prison for something like 30 ISSUES. I'd rather they stayed there just this season, then next season went back out on the road like they eventually did (except just take a few episodes, and not an entire season), then find the Alexandria Free Zone.

post #894 of 1655

Heroes had one good episode, "Company Man"

post #895 of 1655
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Exactly, saying that ratings have nothing to do with quality is a very simplistic view of things. Just look at how quickly Heroes' ratings turned to shit once the Bryan Fuller left.

 

 

Still, my contention is that while TWD does usually have fairly high production values, and is not "shitty", spotty acting/writing makes me hesitant to label it as a "quality" show. It's OK and this season it has really delivered on its premise, but I still don't know that I'd say it's "good." 

 

 

I'd call American Horror Story "good" for lack of a better word* - the characters are at least consistent, the actors are almost across-the-board fantastic and Murphy knows what he's trying to do. I don't know that you can apply ANY of those 3 to TWD. This season was much better than S2, and better than S1 as well. 

 

 

 

* - my stance on AHS is that it is so batshit nuts concepts like "good" or "bad" go out the window - if you are entertained, it was successful, and I don't think I have ever been bored by an episode of that show. 

post #896 of 1655
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Reba is actually a better show than 90% of the crap sitcoms out there.  I'd put it in the same good but not great column as "Home Improvement" and "Bosom Buddies".

 

How dare you sully the good name of Bosom Buddies!  It produced Dan Aykroyd a wife!

post #897 of 1655
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Heroes was aces until the last few episodes of season 1.

 

Madeline Zima going lesbo with Hayden Panettiere was awesome!  Of course, my prurient interests hardly reflect well on the quality of a bad show.

post #898 of 1655

Did a search on these forums for a Reba thread.  Why did it lead me here?  WTF are you guys talking about now!

post #899 of 1655

Reba: The Country Singing Zombie.

post #900 of 1655
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Did a search on these forums for a Reba thread.  Why did it lead me here?  WTF are you guys talking about now!

 

Wait, you searched for a Reba thread? Let's talk about that instead...

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