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Freddy and Jason...Drac and Frankie?

post #1 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:01am
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From the Robert Englund interview:
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"My [current] script dates back to July and boy, it's a good script. It has the one thing that I felt it had to have - we have to get into Jason's nightmares. Whatever's going on, whatever remains of his synapse and psyche, we have to get into that. And they really exploit that in this. There's also a wonderful set piece at a rave that's just an amazing, amazing sequence...Freddy needs Jason. He manipulates him, and then it all starts to fray at the edge. We've really returned to core Freddy in this one. It wouldn't be Freddy if he didn't crack some jokes, and he does in 'Freddy vs. Jason,' but they're a little meaner [and] kind of politically incorrect"
Okay, I have to admit, I'm jazzed about this idea. As some of you know, I'm a big fan of the old Universal Horrors, which pioneered the "crossover" monster flicks with movies like "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man," "House of Dracula/Frankenstein," and for my money the funniest horror movie ever made, "Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein."

What strikes me is that in that last flick listed, Dracula (Lugosi) is an intelligent, ruthless, seductive mastermind who reanimates the Frankenstein Monster (an emotionless, unstoppable killing machine...ringing any bells?) in order to complete some evil plan or other. A&B get in the way, with Lon Chaney's Wolf Man rounding out the heroic trio (although he's not all good--he's just as likely to take a bite out of Lou as he is Dracula), and hilarity ensues.

Anyway, that little bit about Freddy manipulating Jason and gradually losing control sounds great to me, like a throwback to the old crossovers. I still think Kane is the sentimental choice for Jason, and I'm disappointed he's not it (or is he?), but the plotting makes it sound like it might be fun.

Then again, it could suck the charge right out of Frankie's neck-mounted battery posts.

Thoughts?
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post #2 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:25am
I think the old team-ups worked better because the classic monsters had characters and motivations that leant themselves to instant rivalries and alliances. Sadly, most modern movie monsters just want to stab the bejesus out of teenagers and that's why I think they're changing Jason for this movie. But, yeah, the idea of monster movie tag-team does get me all nostalgic. Nothing tops "Destroy All Monsters" for sheer monster overload though.
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post #3 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:31am
I just hope New Line doesn't cock-punch us. After all these years of up and down, stop and go, and speculation this film could end up being the biggest letdown of all.
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post #4 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:37am
I think it's bound to disappoint on some level, purely because of the long drawn-out wait. Every horror fan has a version of this movie in their head, and when the actual movie doesn't match that, there'll inevitably be some tears.

It seems to me that there's an easy way to do this (have Freddy and Jason duke it out for 90 minutes, killing a bunch of blade-fodder along the way) or a hard way to do this (create a new and interesting take on two tired characters and do something fresh with them). Every indication is that Ronny Yu is opting for the hard way, and I respect him for that - it at least shows that he's using his imagination and trying to think outside the box.

To use the approved message board ratings system, the final film could "rock" or "suck", but at least this way it'll definitely be "interesting" rather than "predictable".

My hopes are still pretty high.
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post #5 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:37am
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Yes, I can see how King Ghidora's bluster covered his lack of self-confidence and need for a father figure, which directly offset the genuine self-confidence of Rodan, although the ptera-monster was beset with issues about his sexual proclivity...



Speaking of monsters with character and motivation, for my money the Creeper is the coolest in years...perhaps decades.

Creeper vs. The Tall Man? Hmm....
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post #6 of 19
8/23/02 at 11:42am
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Stop Scaring Scott Standridge:
Yes, I can see how King Ghidora's bluster covered his lack of self-confidence and need for a father figure, which directly offset the genuine self-confidence of Rodan, although the ptera-monster was beset with issues about his sexual proclivity...
Ha! Point taken. Although my love for Destroy All Monsters has more to do with the sheer scale of the destruction and the number of wacky monsters. The king of the team-ups, from a dramatic point of view, are the Universal ones where you had Drac's icy malevolent cool, Frankensteins Monster's confused innocence and Wolfman's tortured search for a cure. Compared to class acts like them, Freddy and Jason are just two sickos who like killin' kids.
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post #7 of 19
8/23/02 at 12:00pm
well, lets just hope freddy and jason's "battle" is a bot more exciting than frankie and wolfies battle in Frankenstein meets the Wolfman. I want to see alittle more than Freddy pouncing on jason from the top of an operating table 10 times in a row.

And who will play Glenn Strange to Kane Hodder? I vote for Tom Sizemore or james gandolfini.
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post #8 of 19
8/23/02 at 12:12pm
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A Konkrete's Life:


And who will play Glenn Strange to Kane Hodder? I vote for Tom Sizemore or james gandolfini.
I don't see that happening. That's a lot of money they'd be paying someone to be under heavy makeup and behind a mask for 2 hours.

The Creeper vs. The Tall Man? What would the Tall Man do, confuse the hell out of him, forcing him to try and figure out what the hell was going on, like most of the 'Phantasm' movies? I say if you're going to pit the Creeper Vs. anyone, it'd have to be Pumpkinhead. Just because the image in my head of those two fighting gets me all tingly..
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post #9 of 19
8/23/02 at 12:37pm
I was just kiding about sizemore and gandolfini. Everyone knows, with the new direction Yu is taking, colin farrell is a shoe-in to don the hockey mask in freddy vs. jason.
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post #10 of 19
8/23/02 at 12:51pm
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The Creeper vs. The Tall Man? What would the Tall Man do, confuse the hell out of him, forcing him to try and figure out what the hell was going on, like most of the 'Phantasm' movies? I say if you're going to pit the Creeper Vs. anyone, it'd have to be Pumpkinhead. Just because the image in my head of those two fighting gets me all tingly..
Point conceded. That would indeed be a battle to end all battles...well, discounting Dollman vs. the Demonic Toys.

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well, lets just hope freddy and jason's "battle" is a bot more exciting than frankie and wolfies battle in Frankenstein meets the Wolfman. I want to see alittle more than Freddy pouncing on jason from the top of an operating table 10 times in a row.
The funny thing is I remember that battle being hugely exciting when I was a kid. Apparently the two stuntmen who did it were hot shit at the time too, having done some legendary western bar fight that had critics drooling or something...can anybody help me out on that one? Or did I dream it?

<geekmode>
I always wondered why the Wolf Man didn't just rip the Monster's throat out. I mean, he fought with frenetic energy (jumping all over, as you mentioned), and the moster just picked up rocks and tables to hurl at him. Of course, if Larry HAD ripped the Monster's throat out, that doesn't necessarily mean it would have STOPPED him...
</geekmode>
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post #11 of 19
8/23/02 at 2:28pm
O wnated to see frank throw wolfie through the air a couple times...or maybe a scene of the wolfman with his jaws clamped on frank's writs, followd by violent shaking and battering by a wounded frank...but hey, it was the 40's, seeing something like the wolf man ripping off frank's arm and beating him with it is probably toomuch to ask for

the final scenes of ABBOT AND COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN were much better.
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post #12 of 19
8/23/02 at 3:21pm
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I was just kiding about sizemore and gandolfini. Everyone knows, with the new direction Yu is taking, colin farrell is a shoe-in to don the hockey mask in freddy vs. jason.
...or WILL Farrell...
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post #13 of 19
8/23/02 at 5:51pm
Oh good god, Colin Farrell....don't give them any ideas!!!
Why don't they just get it done and over with and cast Clint Howard as jason, they would save mucho deniro on make up right from the get go!
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post #14 of 19
8/23/02 at 5:54pm
speaking of team ups, how cool would it be to have Snake Pliskan join forces with Ash??
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post #15 of 19
8/23/02 at 6:00pm
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Why don't they just get it done and over with and cast Clint Howard as jason, they would save mucho deniro on make up right from the get go!
TYPO OF THE DAY!
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post #16 of 19
8/23/02 at 6:16pm
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I did it!! I FINALLY did it!!
I Got the TYPO OF THE DAY!!!
WHOOOOOO!!! (strutting around the room like Ric Flair after a some major kiss stealin' and jet flyin')
What do i win!!!?? How soon do I get it??!!
WHOOOOOOO!!!!
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post #17 of 19
8/24/02 at 2:23am
The movie we're all really waiting for is HELLRAISER VS. WARLOCK!

"Give me the box!"

"Give me the stones!"

"I'm going to unleash Hell on Earth!"

"No, I'm going to unleash Hell on Earth!"
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post #18 of 19
8/24/02 at 5:36am
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Walter Kal-El:
...or maybe a scene of the wolfman with his jaws clamped on frank's writs.
Actually, I want to nominate this for TYPO OF THE DAY. I never even knew Frankenstein had a lawyer!
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post #19 of 19
8/24/02 at 11:31am
well, why wouldn't frankenstein have a lawyer. Darcula had one...just ask F.W. Murnau.
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