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I love DePalma thrillers, and really wanted to like Raising Cain, but it fell flat for me. The big DePalma set-piece at the end felt like kind of a rehash of the Untouchables train station sequence. It also bothered me that the cheating wife and her lover transitioned to protagonists in the second half of the film, even though that its hinted that the affair is what sends John Lithgow over the edge. Just seemed like a strange choice.

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So the Criterion release of Dressed to Kill is a disaster. After the 21-minute mark, the image becomes vertically distorted, resulting in off-kilter images. Better to stick with the standard MGM Blu.

So far, Criterion has not acknowledged the issue.
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Well, that blows.
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So the Criterion release of Dressed to Kill is a disaster. After the 21-minute mark, the image becomes vertically distorted, resulting in off-kilter images. Better to stick with the standard MGM Blu.

So far, Criterion has not acknowledged the issue.

 

I've heard conflicting reports on this one. There's been some staunch defenses of the picture, so I don't know.

 

I'll stick with my Special Edition DVD til I can check it out for myself on Netflix.

 

Glenn Kenny

"I'm watching the Criterion "Dressed To Kill" and I have zero issues with the presentation so there"

 

I see DVD Beaver had the same complaints as you, though.

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I've heard conflicting reports on this one. There's been some staunch defenses of the picture, so I don't know.

I can see making a defense of the new coloring (some have argued that it's closer to the film's presentation).

 

But as far as the vertical squeezing is concerned, the defenses don't make sense (and the defenses of the new remaster have largely been of the "De Palma supervised it, so it must be right" variety, which doesn't make much sense or exclude the possibility of some technical error during the remastering process). Given that the alterations in the image begin *sharply* at the 21-minute mark and continue persistently after that, it's hard to argue that it's all fine and good and this is how it's supposed to look. And it's clear that something is wrong when you have obviously scrunched images like this one.

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My Top 10:

 

1. BODY DOUBLE - so ahead of its time

2. BLOW OUT - the 70's sucked, with the 80's a bad moon rising, few films get the vibe of the times like this masterpiece

3. THE FURY -Godard's favorite and one of mine

4. CARRIE - the extended build up to the dumping of the pig's blood excruciatingly suspenseful! One of many of his perfect films

5. OBSESSION - collaboration with Schrader his most underrated; swirling, reved up airport finale a brilliant sequence

6. SCARFACE - an 80's over the top masterpiece; motel chainsaw scene a masterclass of suspense

7. SISTERS - his first Hitch homage, brilliant use of split screen; Salt's drug induced nightmare one of his most horrifying sequences

8. HI, MOM - one of the masterpieces of counter culture cinema

9. DRESSED TO KILL - his most darkly funny and audacious Hitch tribute

10 PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE - rock n' roll musical a true cult classic

 

Honorable mention: CARLITO'S WAY, FEMME FATALE, CASUALTIES OF WAR

 

 

Remix:

 

1. BODY DOUBLE

2. BLOW OUT

3. THE FURY

4. DRESSED TO KILL

5. CARRIE

6. OBSESSION

7. SCARFACE/ UNTOUCHABLES

8. HI, MOM

9. SISTERS

10. PHANTOM OF THE  PARADISE

 

Honorable Mention: RAISING CAIN, FEMME FATALE, CARLITO'S WAY

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I can see making a defense of the new coloring (some have argued that it's closer to the film's presentation).

 

But as far as the vertical squeezing is concerned, the defenses don't make sense (and the defenses of the new remaster have largely been of the "De Palma supervised it, so it must be right" variety, which doesn't make much sense or exclude the possibility of some technical error during the remastering process). Given that the alterations in the image begin *sharply* at the 21-minute mark and continue persistently after that, it's hard to argue that it's all fine and good and this is how it's supposed to look. And it's clear that something is wrong when you have obviously scrunched images like this one.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

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Criterion just announced that they'll be fixing the issue and will issue replacement discs for anyone that got the problematic version.
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Thanks Agentsands77, I very nearly bought that during the Barnes & Noble sale. Glad I waited.

 

Here's the full statement from Criterion. It also looks like they'll be releasing the proper version on August 18:

 

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In our haste to respond to customer concerns about the anamorphic compression on our release of Dressed to Kill, we posted incorrectly that the change had been made at the behest of the director. Brian De Palma did ask for a change to the geometry of the scan, but it was to address the distortion he saw in the image, not to apply it. Unfortunately, that change was never carried over in the final product, and the resulting discs are wrong. Therefore, we are reauthoring discs without the squeeze and will make them available to all purchasers of our release of Dressed to Kill free of charge. Simply e-mail Jon Mulvaney (mulvaney@criterion.com) with your name, address, and some proof of purchase, such as a receipt, and we will send you a corrected copy. We regret the inconvenience, but we hope that in the end all of our customers will end up with a copy of Dressed to Kill that accurately reflects the film as well as the director’s intentions.

 

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I watched RAISING CAIN for the first time. Not the theatrical cut, the... whatever cut you can call it.

Something I've always appreciated about his films is that as thrilling as they are, he really does treat them more like a lark, at least in his own personal films like this and BODY DOUBLE. When that bit with Cain pushing the car into the swamp and having it stop midway, my mouth dropped because as much as he takes influences from Hitchcock, he always put in his own spin for amusement. For a moment, it really did look like he was just ripping off, and then the best thing happened with the dead body suddenly coming back to life screaming. I laughed at the absurdity while thinking "bravo" to De Palma for pulling one on me. I had a lot of fun watching this, with the winks by De Palma along with Lithgow chewing up the scenery.

I did get to watch a bit of the theatrical cut after viewing the re-cut, and I don't think it works as well with how it's structured. For example, going with Cain/Carter at the start, it makes one think that maybe Jenny is in on the crimes because guilty by association. It's not until it suddenly goes into that diversion with her story that you understand how she fits into all this. I do hope De Palma gets to do something of a director's cut soon, maybe work with Criterion on it. I think this needs to be one of those films that's rediscovered years later with a proper cut, much like TOUCH OF EVIL or (dare I say) BLADE RUNNER.

I also feel that way about SNAKE EYES' endng. Of course, I haven't seen the original ending so I don't know if that plays more awkwardly than the new ending with the camera crew watching Sinise.
post #62 of 262
I'm pretty sure they never shot the original ending for Snake Eyes. Budgetary constraints were the only reason they changed it. According to De Palma interviews anyway.
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De Palma said they shot the alternate SNAKE EYES ending and could restore it into the film if someone was willing to finance the effort. There just doesn't seem to be any interest.
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That's interesting. I guess it exists just without the effects.
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That's interesting. I guess it exists just without the effects.
From what I understand, the effects were mostly completed, if not entirely completed. The film screened with the alternate ending.

The ending was scrapped due to poor screening response.
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Here's De Palma on the SNAKE EYES ending:
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I've always been curious about one of your last big studio movies, "Snake Eyes." Everyone has heard of the infamous "hurricane" ending. Could you talk about that and whether or not it will ever see the light of day?
The whole idea at the end of "Snake Eyes" was deus ex machina—we were dealing with such a corrupt world that the only way to solve the problem is to have a hurricane come through and wipe it all away. That was my initial idea. And the problem is that people don't believe in that [laughing]. They don't believe in God looking down from above and saying, "The only way to deal with this is a flood. There's so much corruption here, let's wipe it all away and get an ark out and start from scratch." But it didn't work in the previews so we did this other ending which I don't think is as effective. We did shoot this big wave that swept through the casino but we ultimately cut it out.

Have you ever thought about putting it back in or leaving it in as a special feature?
Well it was like when they made the special version of "Casualties of War," I put in two scenes that were cut out from the initial release and I was very happy to put them back in. If they came to me and said, "We're thinking about doing a new version," I'd be happy to do it.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/passion-director-brian-de-palma-on-digital-vs-film-star-wars-snake-eyes-and-epcot-center-20130725
post #67 of 262
That's very interesting. Partly because I've always avoided the extended cut of Casualties Of War. Thought it was just an excuse to release it on dvd again. Now I know De Palma liked it.
post #68 of 262
Watched MISSION TO MARS. I actually have seen this before, but that was way back in theaters 15 years ago. Other than the sequence with Tim Robbins drifting in orbit, I was mostly bored with this. A more Disney take on 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, I didn't get much of De Palma out of this one aside from him trying to do long takes.
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"Amazing 3 disc limited edition of Body Double byCarlotta_Films from France coming out Dec 2, Incl 200 page book"

 

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post #70 of 262
If only De Palma had that kind of respect in the states.
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He's enjoying a revival lately. Given the various significant American critical re-evaluations we've seen in the past few years and the new, well-received Baumbach documentary, I think De Palma will be widely respected and admired a decade or two from now.
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Oh wow, I didn't know Baumbach was making a documentary about him!

 

Something to look forward to.

post #73 of 262
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He's enjoying a revival lately. Given the various significant American critical re-evaluations we've seen in the past few years and the new, well-received Baumbach documentary, I think De Palma will be widely respected and admired a decade or two from now.

I hope so. His most popular film in the states is SCARFACE, and while I enjoy that a bunch, it doesn't feel like a De Palma film in the way of his more personal efforts like DRESSED TO KILL. CARLITO'S WAY is probably the closer one.
post #74 of 262

I'm watching BODY DOUBLE.  It's been a long time since I've seen it.  But watching it now, I can't look at Craig Wasson and not think he's Bill Maher.

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I couldn't stop thinking of that either!
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Oh man, how did I forget the amazing "CUT!  TRY IT AGAIN, CRAIG WASSON!  THIS TIME WITH FEELING!!!" fake-out???

 

That's beautiful.

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In 1987, Brian DePalma wrote about his guilty pleasures for Film Comment

 

Guilty Pleasures: Brian De Palma

Brian De Palma's guilty pleasures? This is like listening to a shrink and a neurosurgeon talking shop over a lunch of blood sausage at the Melody Burlesk. More organ music, please.
 
 
 
"Homicidal (1961, William Castle) was also great. I was totally fooled by the transvestite the first time I saw it. I was very shocked by the stabbing at the end. He gets married, and he/she stabs the minister. Jean Arless, the “girl,” looked fine, but as the “guy” looked a little strange, as I remember. In one scene, she’s coming down the staircase, taking her wig off and pulling her teeth out. There’s no question that it’s an imitation Hitchcock, but it had a very good trick to it and was very creepy. I saw Homicidal on 42nd Street in the fourth row of the theater. The audience went crazy."
post #78 of 262
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Why De Palma’s ‘Blow Out’ Tops Antonioni’s ‘Blow-Up’

 

http://flavorwire.com/540561/why-de-palmas-blow-out-tops-antonionis-blow-up

 

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THE FILMS OF BRIAN DE PALMA RANKED FROM BRILLIANT TO NOT-AS-BRILLIANT

 

(A Beaks list)

 

https://li.st/l/304ef015-c826-416b-8508-93f03fc0b8b2

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I mentioned this in another thread but I thought I'd drag it over here and see what kind of discussion it starts. I only saw Body Double in the past year or so for the first time and I borderline loathed it. Am I wrong for this? Is it misunderstood? I won't throw spoilers out there but VERY early on every "twist" in the movie was absurdly obvious. I think it's just De Palma's worst. Well...next to worst. He'll never sink lower than Black Dahlia..
post #83 of 262
It's a cheeky, erotic, and overblown, and I love it for that. What I like about De Palma is that he never takes this stuff seriously.

But yeah, Black Dahlia is not his strong suit.
post #84 of 262
I need to re-watch Snake Eyes and Raising Cain. I remember those being at least interesting. And Body Double is pretty interesting too. It just didn't work for me. But Black Dahlia is a total botch job. De Palma can get (endearingly) goofy but I want to refuse to believe that the director of Carrie and Blow Out could make something that BLAH..
post #85 of 262
I dug Snake Eyes, pretty unfairly maligned IMO. You should definitely check out the alternative cut of Raising Cain. I found this far more effective and I hope De Palma will do an official cut of this, maybe with Criterion.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/feature-brian-de-palmas-raising-cain
post #86 of 262
I never knew there were different versions of Raising Cain. I saw it in like '94-'95 so I'm certain that all I've seen is the theatrical version. If we can get a blu of the Halloween 6 Producer's Cut surely we can get one of this. Thanks for the heads up on that..
post #87 of 262
SNAKE EYES and RAISING CAIN are way underrated.

The thing with BODY DOUBLE is that it's really just a dark comedy. It's De Palma in full-on prankster mode, doing a grotesque parody of his other thrillers. He's giving his critics the finger by just making things as trashy and as he can (heck, he resituates one of VERTIGO's loveliest shots in the big porno sequence, as if he's reveling in smearing feces on a masterpiece). If you find it funny, you'll dig it. If you don't, it won't add up to much.
post #88 of 262
The drill and "disfigured Indian" and stuff like that drove home the intentional Grand Guignol absurdity of it all but yeah, I didn't find it funny, per se. Trashy, sure...but....I dunno...if the trajectory that the movie was headed in wasn't so completely obvious before it even reached the half hour mark I'm sure I'd have dug it more. That just killed it for me..
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Big fan of De Palma, so I had to chime in!

 

My Brian De Palma Top 10

10.  SCARFACE - Perhaps De Palma’s most viscerally intense picture.

9.    THE FURY - Nonsensical insanity, but Douglas holds everything together with conviction, and John Williams’ score is hugely underrated.
8.    BODY DOUBLE - Even more nonsensical insanity, but with a sleazier edge this time, and with De Palma cranking his Hitchcock fetish up to 11.  Knowingly silly, and so much fun.
7.    MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE - De Palma’s take on a big action blockbuster proves audiences don’t need to have their intelligence insulted in order to be entertained.  The CIA break-in is an incredible setpiece, as is the finale on the train.
6.    CARLITO’S WAY - One of De Palma’s most emotionally and intellectually mature films.
5.    PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE - Beautifully quirky with an insanely great lineup of songs and music.
4.    DRESSED TO KILL - Schlock executed at the highest level.
3.    BLOW OUT - One of the pinnacles of the paranoid political/conspiracy thriller genre.  Perhaps Travolta’s finest work.
2.    CARRIE - Remains one of the best King adaptations; the entire prom sequence is bravura in terms of staging and photography, and the performances from Spacek and Laurie are exceptional.
1.    THE UNTOUCHABLES - I’m not sure what it says about my taste in De Palma that my favorite of his is this mainstream gangster crowd-pleaser, but I completely love this movie.  The Morricone score sends me out on a high note every time I watch it. 

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Recently got to watch the HITCHCOCK/TRUFFAUT documentary.  It was fun to hear various directors speak about the impact of the book and the people involved with it... but the whole time I was sad that De Palma wasn't one of the talking heads in it.

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Was he ever offered PSYCHO II? I ultimately like what Richard Franklin did with that, but I'm curious if De Palma was ever interested in tackling that. I know III would have been unlikely because Perkins was dead set on directing that.
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Recently got to watch the HITCHCOCK/TRUFFAUT documentary.  It was fun to hear various directors speak about the impact of the book and the people involved with it... but the whole time I was sad that De Palma wasn't one of the talking heads in it.

De Palma is one of the talking heads in the very fine DIAL H FOR HITCHCOCK (aka HITCHCOCK: SHADOW OF A GENIUS) documentary that was produced around Hitchcock's 100th birthday.  It's not on Youtube, but it's worth seeking out through other avenues.  It's a pretty comprehensive look at his career, and De Palma has some nice moments.

 

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Was he ever offered PSYCHO II? I ultimately like what Richard Franklin did with that, but I'm curious if De Palma was ever interested in tackling that. I know III would have been unlikely because Perkins was dead set on directing that.

I would be very surprised if De Palma would have even considered that.  I'm not sure he would have wanted to explicitly invite the Hitchcock comparisons in such a direct way.

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I would be very surprised if De Palma would have even considered that.  I'm not sure he would have wanted to explicitly invite the Hitchcock comparisons in such a direct way.
He already was by that point, so I dunno why he'd be squeamish to take it further with that. But like I said, I'm glad we got the PSYCHO II we got.

Is there any truth to the story of Hitchcock not feeling flattered about De Palma aping his style for OBSESSION? I remember reading about that somewhere, but I forget where that came from.
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He already was by that point, so I dunno why he'd be squeamish to take it further with that. But like I said, I'm glad we got the PSYCHO II we got.

Is there any truth to the story of Hitchcock not feeling flattered about De Palma aping his style for OBSESSION? I remember reading about that somewhere, but I forget where that came from.


The story comes from John Landis.  The way he tells it, it was DRESSED TO KILL that Hitchcock didn't care for in that context, but that film was released so close to his death than I'm not sure he ever saw it; Landis likely just got the movies mixed up.  In any case, at a lunch between Landis and Hitch (their offices were apparently very close to each other on the Universal lot), Hitch reported not being happy that what De Palma was doing had been labeled "Hitchcockian."

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I believe that Landis story as much as I believe he did stunts on Once Upon a Time in the West.

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It may certainly be apocryphal or an exaggeration.

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De Palma: 50 Years of Filmmaking Part I

http://wrongreel.com/de-palma-50-years-of-filmmaking-part-i/

 

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De Palma: 50 Years of Filmmaking Part II

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Francis Ford Coppola and Brian De Palma: ‘The Conversation’ Between Two Great Filmmakers

 

http://www.cinephiliabeyond.org/francis-ford-coppola-brian-de-palma-conversation-two-great-filmmakers/

 

  

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"Brian DePalma really knows how to make a CARRIE, so his version is kicking off my week of Stephen King's CARRIEs."

 

http://outlawvern.com/2016/04/11/carrie/

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Brian De Palma’s ‘Body Double’: A Hitchcockian Thriller Executed in Completely Original Style

 

http://www.cinephiliabeyond.org/brian-de-palmas-body-double-hitchcockian-thriller-executed-completely-original-style/

 

 
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