SKYFALL Post-Release - Page 13

As a matter of fact that's kinda exactly how your arguments are coming across, without any help from Lauren or anyone else.

 

Not to beat a dead horse, but no part of the execution of Silva's plan involved him witnessing the hearing. The only thing he saw of it was people screaming and diving under tables. 

Bond fighting apex predators is something that goes all the way back to the novels. I don't have a problem with the occasional cool hideout or survivalist action scene (I can think of a whole bunch of animals I'd love to see 007 take on) so long as its grounded in the real world.

I was just thinking about how they got in the Bond, James Bond line after leaving it out for Quantum, and it occurred to me that unless I am mistaken, they did something clever with the martini shaken not stirred bit. They cut to a girl shaking a martini for Bond, and he compliments her technique as "perfect". Unless I am wrong, we don't actually hear him order the drink.

I avoided this thread like the plague so forgive me if i bring up something that was already mentioned in the previous 12.

I was a bit hasty in calling Silva a Top 3 villain but he is one of the better ones. Bardems performance was fucking awesome. Love the exasperated look he gives Bond after the knifing. And his plan made sense to me, dramatics and all.

Craig knocked it out of the park. Except that I didn't like him crying over M. He is well on his way to surpassing Connery. But for me, he's just not there yet.

Love all the little nods or knocks on the previous entries. He had Connerys car (loved his playful threat to eject M) and opened in Istanbul. Some of the one liners were Moore worthy as was the old couple commenting on his determination to get on the train. And the little dig from Q about the exploding pen being aimed(at least to me) at Brosnans over gadgeted era. Even the palm gun was a call back to LTK.

Moneypenny was top notch and I would like to see the expanded role continue. Really loved the new M's throwback office and padded door. It's a shame they wasted the "don't cock it up 007" line before he became M. I mean the line worked but it would have been dynamite in a future installment.

Oh, and I do agree with whoever said that we are headed for Blofeld before Craig is done. Sort of how we knew the Joker was coming for Bales Batman, that nuTrek will get to Kahn and that Lex Zluthor will be in the sequel to The Man of Steel.

No mistake, that's totally what they did. Thought that was a nice wink without being too winking about it, if that makes sense. They said it without really saying it or drawing too much attention to the fact that they weren't saying it and promptly moved on.

I LOVE that Bonds home is being blown to shit, and only the car getting destroyed gets his revenge face going. 

Heh, I also loved his reaction to the car being destroyed.

Saw it. Loved it.

Bring on Nolan for the sequel. Maybe keep Zimmer away.

Best thing? I can totally imagine that being a joke on Archer and the tone doesn't have to be changed at all.

 

This is actually a problem for me. Earlier in the film, the mere mention of the word "Skyfall" causes him to lose his shit. But then when it's being blown to smithereens, he only gets emotional about the car?! It doesn't match up.

He hates the fucking house. In fact he basically says as much.

 

When he's blowing the actual house up.

Oh Zak come on you're smarter than that.  Why can't Skyfall having such an impact on him be because of bad memories?  He clearly hated the place.

"Hating a house" does not exactly resonate emotionally. Seems like if we're returning to Bond's childhood home, they could have dug deeper.

Wait when did he drop a #2?

Come on! It was a beautiful Ashton Martin.

 

I suppose it can. Not saying it's a plot hole or anything. But if Mendes is going to be so ballsy as to offer up this tantalizing piece of Bond-ian lore on screen, it just seems to me they could have done more with it from a character perspective other than "Bond hates this place. He's glad to see it go boom."

Seriously? They did, albeit implicitly. It's not literally just the building itself, it's that Skyfall is obviously a place that represents a lot of pain and bad memories, maybe some good ones as well, but he's conflicted about it at best, and is not keen on revisiting his past. Going there for the climax felt like symbolically peeling back the layers of who this person is and where he comes from.

 

It's stupid, but I absolutely want the next Bond movie to have a bit where Bond has to grab a SWAT helmet or something to shield himself during an explosion. The next time we see him, he's walking into M's office and casually dropping the smoking thing on the hanger.

You mean when he charges into the room where M has faced public humiliation, been called out as unnecessary and incompetent to the point of costing lives, and would have presumably been removed from her post in a very public way? You don't understand why Silva might be interested in killing her in that room?

More than he hates the house?  How about he learned his parents were dead and he was an orphan there?  Remember the line about hiding in the secret tunnel and coming out of it a man?  Seriously guys, it's like I'm surrounded by a bunch of Dave Chens today. 

You could easily argue that the place straight up symbolizes Bond. It doesn't really get more significant from a character perspective than that.

Maybe we need to stress REALIZING YOU'RE AN ORPHAN.  I guess if some audience members haven't lost a parent yet they just don't understand the emotional devastation that's implied by Skyfall.  That ranch isn't important because James spent his boyhood years there, it's important because Bond, the blunt violent instrument began his story there.

 

You know what? That hit the nail on the head.

 

I understand why Silva would have wanted to kill M in that room. What I don't understand why he wanted to do it in such a half-ass, destined-to-fail manner.

 

Oh, that's right... it's because he's crazy. 

And because he wanted to do it himself and see it happen. And as the climax suggests, probably intended it to be a suicide mission. And almost does succeed.

 

Then he should have walked in with a bomb strapped to him, looked M dead in the eye, and hit the detonator. Achieves all of the above, and guarantees results. But I guess he was too crazy to come up with such an obvious idea.  

But that's not a flaw, or a hole, or anything like that, it's just one of those basic things you accept cause otherwise there's no (more) movie.

I mean seriously, if thats what your criticism of that segment of the film comes down to it's pretty moronic. Why didn't the villain do something that would stop the film dead in its tracks and end it 2/3 of the way in? Come on.

 

The word you're looking for is "contrivance" and good movies usually don't have them. 

 

But it's cool. All of us overlook such things in movies that otherwise work for us. I just find it laughable that I'm accused of wanting more stupid by people who shrug their shoulders at the stupid that already exists. 

 

I was disappointed by what I felt was a lack of them in Skyfall because action spectacle is something I associate and expect with a James Bond movie. Hope that clears it up for you. 

TCD, please stop posting this instant!

 

You're ruining this thread, which is only for people who want to post 100% praise and adulation for the 10/10 masterpiece Skyfall. The best film of the year to feature hacking scenes out of a 1993 William Gibson adaptation. You disgust me. 

No, even good movies often have some basic level of contrivance, an acceptable level of suspension of disbelief that just allows there to be a movie. This is in that category.

Jesus christ, shut up.

 

Hey man, no worries. I'm cool with you having a different opinion, and I appreciate that you can at least conduct yourself like an adult. I already plan on giving Skyfall another viewing with tempered expectations, and hope the things I like about it will overcome the things I didn't. 

Odo, stop speaking entirely in sarcasm.  It's annoying as fuck and not funny. 

 

Movies can also have more action spectacle than Skyfall did and still be good. Why it's almost as if these things exist on a spectrum, and it's a little more nuanced that one position being stupid and the other not. 

My stance is simply that SKYFALL has the amount of action that it does and is a good movie, and that some of your arguments against it haven't made sense to me, or seemed nitpicky.

I think that those of us who like the movie and those who don't should meet on top of a train in Turkey and thrash it out with our fists. We'll get Lauren to snipe people at random until only one opinion remains.

 

I felt the action was lacking and the villain plot was overly contrived. I thought the acting, cinematography and thematic elements were good. But the things I didn't like outweighed the things I did. It's as simple as that. 

 

Hmm... based on the way it played out in the movie, I don't think that bodes well for those of you who liked it. 

I'd put money on Lauren being a better shot than Moneypenny.

I don't know... if there's one thing I learned from Skyfall, it's that girls can't shoot. 

Oh my god I want that!  I don't even care if I get Bonded, at least I'll land on a wicked awesome title sequence and spend a few months bedding beautiful women and drinking scorpions. 

Does Lauren hate Roger Moore?  Wait...  Let me try that again.  Does anybody like Roger Moore?  I always thought the 50 year old hitting on the young babes was pretty creepy. 

Roger Moore used to be my favorite Bond as a teen, until I was introduced to The Living Daylights and Timothy "I'll fuck you up" Dalton. Then, everything changed....

Freeman, Roger Moore remains my...Favorite James Bond, and My top...003 Bond Films are...

1) The Spy Who Loved Me

2) For Your Eyes Only

3) Moonraker

 

Moore is Bond when the series was filled with...Adventure, Exotic Locales, Gadgets, a...Better Car the Lotus Turbo Espirit, EEEEEvil Villains etc.  As Carly Simon sang...Nobody Does It Better!  Bond with Daniel Craig is a...S.P.E.C.T.R.E of itself!