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Halo 4 instituting bans for sexist remarks

post #1 of 33
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post #2 of 33

Good.

post #3 of 33

Huzzah. There's a step in the right direction, especially relevant at the end of a tough year of rampant sexism in gaming. 

post #4 of 33
Thread Starter 

Agreed.

 

It was already bad enough when it seemed like practically half the country had decided "This is the year we attempt to alienate all women" but I couldn't even avoid dudes being penises when it came to gaming.

post #5 of 33
Wait, if you ban racists, chauvinists, and homophobes, who's going to be left on XBox Live?
post #6 of 33
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A good start!

 

ZING!

post #7 of 33
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Wait, if you ban racists, chauvinists, and homophobes, who's going to be left on XBox Live?

 

Silence. Beautiful, beautiful silence. And a virgin deficit.

post #8 of 33
Seems weird for Microsoft to pat itself on the back when the policy only applies to one game. If they've identified these remarks as unacceptable in Halo 4, they're implicitly stating they are acceptable conduct for other games.
post #9 of 33

I don't think they're stating that; you can infer it if you like, but that's down to interpretation. It could be that they're planning on instituting more universal measures down the track (Which may be not quite ready to roll out in full yet), and are using Halo 4 as a way to establish that the issue is something they're looking at. Another interpretation, granted, but hopefully MS have something like this in mind.
 

post #10 of 33

Halo 4 is like...the biggest game in the gaming universe. It's a pretty big deal.

post #11 of 33
Excellent news. I look forward to reading from people who don't understand the difference between censorship and the host of a party showing an asshole guest to the door.
post #12 of 33

I read this on Joystiq.

 

It was not fun reading the comment section.  It's like fucking going on Youtube.

 

 

 

I mean, the fact that we're celebrating that Microsoft is taking massive steps towards curbing this nonsense speaks volumes about the type of people that play these games.

post #13 of 33

Now if only parents would keep kids off of LIVE for M-rated games. It's not like Microsoft would ever do it, because they'd lose a lot of cash.

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I wonder how are they going to enforce it? Private messages recorded in the system are one thing, but reporting someone in multiplayer will be mostly based on hearsay unless there is someone working for microsoft in the game as well. While I haven't ever played any type of Halo multiplayer I have spent countless hours on the versus modes of Left 4 Dead 1 & 2. From what I gleaned playing that is that it takes multiple complaints before Microsoft will look into a player and even then the true assholes always bounce back with a different gamertag. I even saw a good player banned once when a completely juvenile gamer got everyone in his friends list to file a complaint against the one person being civil.

It is a great idea, but one I feel is unenforceable unless xbox live records every single conversation taking place in every game of Halo 4 so the people policing the service can dig it up as proof when the accusations come rolling in.
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Originally Posted by Tim K View Post

I wonder how are they going to enforce it? Private messages recorded in the system are one thing, but reporting someone in multiplayer will be mostly based on hearsay unless there is someone working for microsoft in the game as well. While I haven't ever played any type of Halo multiplayer I have spent countless hours on the versus modes of Left 4 Dead 1 & 2. From what I gleaned playing that is that it takes multiple complaints before Microsoft will look into a player and even then the true assholes always bounce back with a different gamertag. I even saw a good player banned once when a completely juvenile gamer got everyone in his friends list to file a complaint against the one person being civil.
It is a great idea, but one I feel is unenforceable unless xbox live records every single conversation taking place in every game of Halo 4 so the people policing the service can dig it up as proof when the accusations come rolling in.

It would be easy enough if you had a super computer that was designed to scan all XBOX Live audio chatter for key words and phrases, like they do with terrorism and international (probably domestic too) calls.
post #16 of 33
You know, it's gonna be kind of hilarious when these mouth-breathers start organizing console LAN parties where they can talk all the shit they want. It'll be exactly like the UT2K4 parties from my college years, only without any of the redeeming qualities.
post #17 of 33

Although I don't condone sexism, or discrimination of any kind and certainly don't believe that it has a place in gaming, I really don't think this is the right way to go about getting rid of it and feel like it will ultimately cause more rampant sexism and racism in other games. I really don't know what Wolfkill and 343 thought they were going to achieve by implementing this.
 

post #18 of 33
I don't think you're ever going to get rid of it, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for a company maintaining an online multiplayer service to dissuade players from this kind of behavior - particularly since, y'know, there might theoretically be some female customers who are on the butt-end of this harassment. I doubt that anywhere in the XBox Live user agreement is it stipulated that you have the right to be a total jackass and remain free from moderation.
post #19 of 33

Certainly seems like a good step, though it does bring up interesting questions regarding enforcement and what exactly will be considered a ban-worthy offense. Is a group of guys having a sexist discussion with no female players present going to be punishable, or does there have to be active harassment? And if so, is the nature of said harassment going to play a role? Would chastising a female player for, say, perceived lack of skill still hold the same punishment if the insults weren't gendered (the "fucking noobs" conundrum)? Obviously women are the brunt of a disproportionate amount of verbal abuse in gaming and it doesn't seem unreasonable to set forth measures specifically designed to counter-sexism, but it does seem a little odd that a player could conceivably call someone a faggot and receive the standard Microsoft slap on the wrist (at worst), but calling a female player a bitch could result in a permanent ban.

post #20 of 33

So, the game is out in every time zone in the US.  Is XBox Live a ghost town now?

post #21 of 33

You just pointed out one of the majour problems with this whole idea, if it even comes to fruition. I don't see this be as much combating sexism as it is glorifying feminism. Giving a lifetime ban to someone who says "you shoot like a girl" and doing nothing to someone who says "all men are chauvinist pigs who should be castrated at birth" doesn't exactly seem fair to me.

post #22 of 33

Yeah, I'm sure that's what's gonna happen. Yep.

post #23 of 33

Out of curiosity, does Microsoft also hold the same zero tolerance policy on racism and homophobia?

post #24 of 33
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If everything goes well Microsoft should attempt to expand things even further and ruin online for the little racist and homophobic shitbags who made it impossible for me to play Halo.

 

It's not the ultimate solution, it's just a good start against the overwhelming misogyny in gaming.

post #25 of 33

yes...we must all conform and throw ourselves under the political correctness steamroller, and have all free will drained from our souls.

post #26 of 33
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Tee-Hee!

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yes...we must all conform and throw ourselves under the political correctness steamroller, and have all free will drained from our souls.

 

I'm in for $5. I give him 10 posts. Takers?

post #28 of 33
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yes...we must all conform and throw ourselves under the political correctness steamroller, and have all free will drained from our souls.

 

It's their playground, they make the rules.  Don't like it? Fuck the fuck right the fuck off.  Nobody ever said Halo was a democracy, you piss bucket.  Also, for the sake of your fellow Chudsters, please practice your hyperbole elsewhere before you come back.  You really suck at it.

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I'm in for $5. I give him 10 posts. Takers?

 

2 posts, one rants about the "gay agenda", the other equates not being allowed to call a woman a "cunt" in a video game to 'having all the free will drained from our souls'. He'll never make it to ten.

 

Bad troll is bad and should feel bad.

post #30 of 33
Im accounting for 6 posts of profanity laden shock and awe that we may find his japes rather cuntsome, then ragequit.
post #31 of 33

I've recently got an Xbox. I know I'm very late to the party but it was cheap! :)

 

 I've just played my first online games of COD: MW3 and experienced this craziness and hate first hand. It's been truly disturbing to hear 11-12 year old kids screaming racist, homophobic and misogynistic hate in that pre-pubescent high pitched screech they have.

 

 I usually play PC games like Battlefield which are usually more refrained and mature. So glad I found the headset sound off setting. The last thing I heard before I turned it off was a woman constantly chastising a child over and over and over again by calling his name and the incessant screaming of a little baby. It was like a David Lynch nightmare when juxtaposed with the extreme violence on screen. I'm sure I'm going to wake up screaming tonight.

post #32 of 33
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Originally Posted by Daley D View Post

I've recently got an Xbox. I know I'm very late to the party but it was cheap! :)

 

 I've just played my first online games of COD: MW3 and experienced this craziness and hate first hand. It's been truly disturbing to hear 11-12 year old kids screaming racist, homophobic and misogynistic hate in that pre-pubescent high pitched screech they have.

 

 I usually play PC games like Battlefield which are usually more refrained and mature. So glad I found the headset sound off setting. The last thing I heard before I turned it off was a woman constantly chastising a child over and over and over again by calling his name and the incessant screaming of a little baby. It was like a David Lynch nightmare when juxtaposed with the extreme violence on screen. I'm sure I'm going to wake up screaming tonight.

 

 

Brilliant, you should definitely catalog your xbox experience. I want to read your slow descent into madness.

post #33 of 33
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Originally Posted by Glisten View Post

 

 

Brilliant, you should definitely catalog your xbox experience. I want to read your slow descent into madness.

 

 My descent into madness has already started with Battlefield 3. I've played BF2 for a long time on the PC and have gotten pretty good. I'm so used to the PC controls that I am terrible on the xbox controls. I keep running around in circles then get killed within 5 seconds of spawn. I can't shoot a bloody thing and everyone seems to be a master player! It's driving me up the wall! :/

 

 I wish it had an 'offline with bots' mode like CS so I can actually learn.

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