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post #101 of 3787
RM has an interesting idea regarding this Susan Rice witchhunt.

Maddow: GOP attacking Rice so Kerry will leave Senate
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The reason, Maddow said, GOP lawmakers “prefer” Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) get a presidential cabinet nomination — either to that position or Secretary of Defense — is that the promotion would open up his Senate seat to a special election.

part of me it thinking that this is giving the GOP too much credit...but another is all too aware of the diabolical machinations of the GOP
post #102 of 3787
quiz- Can you tell which one of these things is not like the other.....



PSYCH !!!

The nineteen new Republican House committee chairmen are all white males

yup, the GOP- moving forward...to the past.
post #103 of 3787
Wow they couldn't put at least one woman or minority in a chairmanship? Just pathetic. Although from what a woman is the fourth in line of power in the house which is the highest a woman has gotten in the GOP for congress. So I guess that's something.
post #104 of 3787

The inimitable Princess Sparkle Pony outlines the next four years of the GOP's new strategy:

 

http://sparklepony.blogspot.com/2012/11/andale-andale-arriba.html

 

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December 10, 2012: Fox and Friends debuts new, wider couch designed to accommodate five people wearing three-foot-wide novelty sombreros.
February 6, 2013: Peggy Noonan seen walking timidly into Upper East Side Chipotle, staring at the menu, and uttering, "Oh my god."
post #105 of 3787
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RM has an interesting idea regarding this Susan Rice witchhunt.
Maddow: GOP attacking Rice so Kerry will leave Senate
part of me it thinking that this is giving the GOP too much credit...but another is all too aware of the diabolical machinations of the GOP

That's pretty much what's happening. Even today after two different republican senators met with Rice, the first thing they were sure to say to the press is how much they love John Kerry and how they would confirm him asap.
post #106 of 3787
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

RM has an interesting idea regarding this Susan Rice witchhunt.
Maddow: GOP attacking Rice so Kerry will leave Senate
part of me it thinking that this is giving the GOP too much credit...but another is all too aware of the diabolical machinations of the GOP

I don't think that might be the main reason they are trying to do this but is there element of truth to it? Yes I do. The main reason they are trying to destroy Rice isn't to get the Mass senate seat though. I feel it more comes down to a whole policy of trying to destroy and deligitamize the Obama Administration for the second term and tarnish his legacy and destroying as many people in their path.

Look at their talking points on the fiscal cliff, does Boehner care if America credit rating goes to shit and hurt this country? Nope. As long as he gets absolutely everything he wants he could care less about the people and whether they are hurt by a potential economic crash. Maybe the best case of "let them eat cake" in recent memory all because he "has leverage". I feel wanting the senate seat left by Kerry is an added bonus but not really the whole reason at all it's all about personal destruction.

Look at what they have done in recent times to from Reagan's attacks on "welfare queens", Bushes viscious attack ads (especially Willie Horton) on Dukakis, Clinton over Watergate and Monica, attempts to demonize Hillary and Michelle, Max Cleeland and John Kerry who were war heroes were attacked for not being patriotic enough and let's not get started on what they said about Obama. Now they failed at that now they attacking Ambassador Rice and trying deligitamize her to make Obama look bad it all comes back to the GOP's scorched earth policy which when they lose they will try to destroy you.

It's pathetic and sad and shows they need to be as far from power as possible. One question though Rachel Maddow said that Obama could raise the debt ceiling on his own. I believed this wasn't possible and would be a violation of power. Though given how vile the GOP has gotten lately I say he should do it.

Edit- you know what after watching today's comments by GOP congressmen and senators about Benghazi and Rice this is really about wanting Kerry to be the Secretary of State so they could try to take his senate seat. I totally recant what I said. This is a million percent about the senate seat. It is about hurting Obama and Rice but really after being embarrassed in losing the senate so badly this year they need and feel compelled to not only take a senate seat from the Dems but get bought Wall Street senator, Scott Brown. This is the real reason and too exploit this awful situation for political reasoning. Just sickening.
Edited by Arturo RJ - 11/28/12 at 9:21pm
post #107 of 3787

 I believe the 14th Admendment gives Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling on his on. Kieth Olbermann did a segment of Countdown on it.

post #108 of 3787
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As a New Yorker I'm okay with him staying as the govenor but there is something I don't really trust with him, especially in an office as high as president. Something really slimy about Cuomo. I'd feel far more confident with Clinton, Patrick and O'Malley. Same goes for Christie way too opputunistic to be really trusted.

 

Like this perhaps?

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121023/CITYANDREGION/121029630/1002

 

"Why Cuomo might prefer a (New York) Republican Senate"

post #109 of 3787
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Like this perhaps?

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121023/CITYANDREGION/121029630/1002

 

"Why Cuomo might prefer a (New York) Republican Senate"

 

 

As a former Albany reporter who spoke to Cuomo a few times back when he was attorney general, I sympathize with Arturo's gut feeling that he is not to be trusted; Cuomo is not the warmest, most personable guy you'll ever meet. However, the above article is hardly evidence that he is "slimy." Anybody who followed state politics during the period Democrats controlled the Senate can attest to the dysfunction and circus-like atmosphere of that time. I completely understand Cuomo preferring the current status quo.

 

Also, Ruben Diaz, the Democratic state senator quoted in the article as criticizing Cuomo's lack of loyalty to his party, is an old-school machine politician who's compared abortion to the Holocaust. He's also a hypocrite - he was part of a revolt against his own party leaders back when the Democrats first gained control of the Senate, so the fact that he can utter the words "Doesn’t he have a responsibility to support Democrats?" with a straight face is itself incredible.

post #110 of 3787
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As a former Albany reporter who spoke to Cuomo a few times back when he was attorney general, I sympathize with Arturo's gut feeling that he is not to be trusted; Cuomo is not the warmest, most personable guy you'll ever meet. However, the above article is hardly evidence that he is "slimy." Anybody who followed state politics during the period Democrats controlled the Senate can attest to the dysfunction and circus-like atmosphere of that time. I completely understand Cuomo preferring the current status quo.

Also, Ruben Diaz, the Democratic state senator quoted in the article as criticizing Cuomo's lack of loyalty to his party, is an old-school machine politician who's compared abortion to the Holocaust. He's also a hypocrite - he was part of a revolt against his own party leaders back when the Democrats first gained control of the Senate, so the fact that he can utter the words "Doesn’t he have a responsibility to support Democrats?" with a straight face is itself incredible.


Well this why I said I can't really support any candidates from Tri-state area for national office they just seem way too opputunistic and very shady, looking at you too Christie and Booker! I have been vastly disappointed with the state Democratic Party and all the mass corruption they have been involved in. But on the other side the Republicans in the state have gone all tea party so the Dems have become just like the old school Rockefeller Republicans. It's so frustrating honestly I just hope the Greens could get power to bring both parties back to there senses!

But all in all I'm cool with Cuomo staying in as govenor especially with all insane the GOP have been in the last four years in the state but please god no on the idea of Cuomo as president! I'd vote for almost anyone else than him, we'll except Christie, Rand Paul or Santorum.
post #111 of 3787
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Originally Posted by Sherman Davies View Post

 

 

As a former Albany reporter who spoke to Cuomo a few times back when he was attorney general, I sympathize with Arturo's gut feeling that he is not to be trusted; Cuomo is not the warmest, most personable guy you'll ever meet. However, the above article is hardly evidence that he is "slimy." Anybody who followed state politics during the period Democrats controlled the Senate can attest to the dysfunction and circus-like atmosphere of that time. I completely understand Cuomo preferring the current status quo.

 

Also, Ruben Diaz, the Democratic state senator quoted in the article as criticizing Cuomo's lack of loyalty to his party, is an old-school machine politician who's compared abortion to the Holocaust. He's also a hypocrite - he was part of a revolt against his own party leaders back when the Democrats first gained control of the Senate, so the fact that he can utter the words "Doesn’t he have a responsibility to support Democrats?" with a straight face is itself incredible.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's "slimy" based on that article either and in fairness to the article, it did say the Democratic Senate was a circus. It is amazing that the situation has come to the point that the opposition is preferable to your own side though.

 

Case in point about the dysfunction, you have a Democrat who switches sides straight after being elected this time, 4 Democrats who are "Independent" and reserve the option to caucus with the Republicans (this time as well) and two seats outstanding in voting tallies weeks after the election (have those been decided yet?). The Democrats could end up with less seats than the Republicans even after getting a majority of the vote (and seats ... sort of).

post #112 of 3787
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I wouldn't go as far as to say he's "slimy" based on that article either and in fairness to the article, it did say the Democratic Senate was a circus. It is amazing that the situation has come to the point that the opposition is preferable to your own side though.

Case in point about the dysfunction, you have a Democrat who switches sides straight after being elected this time, 4 Democrats who are "Independent" and reserve the option to caucus with the Republicans (this time as well) and two seats outstanding in voting tallies weeks after the election (have those been decided yet?). The Democrats could end up with less seats than the Republicans even after getting a majority of the vote (and seats ... sort of).

This sums up NY politics such a complete total mess. Ie- why I don't want any of them anywhere near DC!
post #113 of 3787

Hey guys, where's Jan Brewer? 

 

http://gawker.com/5965539/

post #114 of 3787

She's been sent back to close her loop. 

 

Please stay gone, please stay gone.
 

post #115 of 3787
I hope she gets a Fox News tv show she is way funnier than Sarah Palin, but I bet she's getting a lobbying job. Such a waste of talent, batshit insane talent.
post #116 of 3787

I hope she's passed out in a brothel in Tijuana, and that there's video.

post #117 of 3787

Assuming Red Dawn was written based on the ramblings of a gypsy prophet, perhaps she is leaving her state open as the entry way for the Mexican-North Korean alliance that will then dog-leg east in a drive to the very seat of power. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated the youth of the midwest.

post #118 of 3787

I just found out that 49% of Republicans think ACORN, you know the the organization that has been defunked for years, stole the 2012 election for Obama. They're not moving forward, They're staying in place and proud of it.

post #119 of 3787

They used a UN/abortions/home schooling conspiracy theory to defeat ratification of the UN treaty exporting the Americans with Disabilities Act when in reality they're protecting their multinational corporations friends from having to not discriminate against disabled people.  Sickening.

post #120 of 3787

from The Daily Show (via C&L)

 

Stewart: It's Official, Republicans Hate the U.N. More Than They Like Helping People in Wheelchairs

 

 

Not only do many in the GOP seem to be unwilling to 'move forward', a lot of them are choosing to cover their shoes in 'Krazy Glue' so that there is no chance of being moved from their current ideological position.

post #121 of 3787
That was the most disgusting move of the current GOP hands down. Just unthinkable.
post #122 of 3787
And we laughed at that Texas judge thinking that the UN wanting to take over the US in a milatary coup. Appears the crazy conspiracy gene has utterly infected the GOP, they have the political policy epitome of rabies. Really as a serious political party it's over for them.
post #123 of 3787
And we laughed at that Texas judge thinking that the UN wanting to take over the US in a milatary coup. Appears the crazy conspiracy gene has utterly infected the GOP, they have the political policy epitome of rabies. Really as a serious political party it's over for them.
post #124 of 3787
And we laughed at that Texas judge thinking that the UN wanting to take over the US in a milatary coup. Appears the crazy conspiracy gene has utterly infected the GOP, they have the political policy epitome of rabies. Really as a serious political party it's over for them.
post #125 of 3787
Oops sorry my smart phone had a brain fart apologize for the triple posting
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post #127 of 3787
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And we laughed at that Texas judge thinking that the UN wanting to take over the US in a milatary coup. Appears the crazy conspiracy gene has utterly infected the GOP, they have the political policy epitome of rabies. Really as a serious political party it's over for them.

Don't believe that conspiracy business for a moment. The GOP is crazy like a fox. As YT said, this about not policing multi nationals. Appalling.

DeMints resignation blindsided me. What a fucking sell out. He took the cash and can now fuck about in GOP primaries without answering to anyone. Shrewd move, asshole.
post #128 of 3787

Not just quitting, quitting to run a think tank. Hilarious.

post #129 of 3787
Yeah it's like running and serving in congress is an audition to join a lobbyist firm. This shows that they need to do something to separate the lawmakers and those lobbying for special interests. This is starting to get really pathetic.
post #130 of 3787

My favorite wingnut blogger thinks DeMint quitting means the government is going to collapse in January.

post #131 of 3787

http://news.yahoo.com/confronted-nj-princeton-student-scalia-defends-arguments-strike-063115507.html

 

"I'm surprised you aren't persuaded."

 

Fuck off Scalia. I don't like to wish ill upon people, but Scalia and the bigoted parts of the generation he represents cannot die fast enough.

post #132 of 3787
This is why I'm glad Obama won re-election and Romney failed to win. Imagine the Supreme Court with more people like Scalia and Thomas?
post #133 of 3787

Conservative leaders to GOP: Stand firm in this ‘period of testing

 

In case there was any doubt that we are going over the fiscal cliff and the Republican Party is determined to slit its own throat.

post #134 of 3787

nice little piece by Chait

 

Why Republicans Can’t Propose Spending Cuts

 

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Reporters are presenting this as a kind of negotiating problem, based on each side’s desire for the other to stick its neck out first. But it actually reflects a much more fundamental problem than that. Republicans think government spending is huge, but they can’t really identify ways they want to solve that problem, because government spending is not really huge. That is to say, on top of an ideological gulf between the two parties, we have an epistemological gulf. The Republican understanding of government spending is based on hazy, abstract notions that don’t match reality and can’t be translated into a workable program.

 

Let’s unpack this a bit. We all know Republicans want to spend less money. So the  construction of the debate appears, on the surface, to be a pretty simple continuum based on policy preferences. Republicans like Mitch McConnell say government spending is “out of control” and would, at least ideally, like to bring it into line with revenue entirely through spending cuts. Democrats like Obama endorse a “balanced” solution with revenue and taxes. Right-thinking centrists, like the CEO community and their publicists like Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei, think we should cut deeply into entitlement spending while also raising tax revenue. (VandeHei, in a video accompanying his execrable story, asserts, “There’s money to be cut everywhere.”)

 

There really isn’t money to be cut everywhere. The United States spends way less money on social services than do other advanced countries, and even that low figure is inflated by our sky-high health-care prices. The retirement benefits to programs like Social Security are quite meager. Public infrastructure is grossly underfunded.

 

I am still trying to determine what, if anything, can the GOP bring to politics in this country?

It really, really seems like they have morphed into a psychopathic, disgruntled lover who has the mentality of "if this country won't love me, I'm going to see to it that no one is allowed to love it"....see Norquist's famous 'bathtub' quote as an example.

 

Am I the only one that sees this?

post #135 of 3787

Nope, I see it too, and the approval numbers on congress are still at an all-time low, so I think others see it as well.

 

I'm perplexed as to how Norsquist gained so much power and influence.  Having never been elected and all.

post #136 of 3787
I wonder if this is what was happening with the Whig Party before their collapse. I should really research this.

I almost feel that GOP has to be due for a massive fatal fall. Probably I'm being overly hopeful because the thought of this party controlling (ie killing) government is unacceptable. The Newsroom's best parts are showing how vilely disgusting the Tea Party era of the Republican Party and they deserve to be hurt for a long time and possibly be done as a political party.
post #137 of 3787

So, cruising xkcd.com, I came across their store, which has this poster, which I bought for some teacher friends. It is amazingingly detailed, and really explains what has happened to politics in the past 20 years. The moderate Republicans have been bred out.

 

Click to embiggen.

 

700

post #138 of 3787

Yup, the GOP is moving forward.

Not that I was expecting some moderate Dem to replace DeMint but this is who's replacing him- Tim Scott

 

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Tim Scott Co-Sponsored a Monument to Aborted Fetuses

 

When soon-to-be Senator Tim Scott was running for Congress in 2010, he touted his record as a social conservative in the state house. On the “Social Conservative” page, he featured his support for three outrageous anti-choice bills.

 

The first was the so-called Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, a disgusting and misleading piece of legislation. According to Scott’s site, the bill would “protect babies who survive abortions.” The second bill, the Right to Life Act, was described as a “step in the right direction to recognize ‘pre-borned’ (sic) babies as ‘human persons’ with the same equal protection under the law as borned citizens (sic).”

 

And then there was the Unborn Children’s Monument Commission. The bill, explained Scott’s site, would lead to the erection of a “monument on the statehouse grounds to remember all the aborted babies in South Carolina.”

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Meet Sen. Tim Scott: The Tea Party Lawmaker Who Wanted To Impeach President Obama And Kick Kids Off Food Stamps

 

-Floated impeaching Obama over the debt ceiling.

-Proposed a bill to cut off food stamps for entire families if one member went on strike.

-Wanted to spend an unlimited amount of money to display Ten Commandments outside county building.

-Defended fairness of giving billions in subsidies to Big Oil

-Helped slash South Carolina’s HIV/AIDS budget

specifics at the link

post #139 of 3787

There are few kinds of crazy as pure as South Carolina crazy.

post #140 of 3787

I found one of Scott's campaign ads.

 

post #141 of 3787

Anyone following the Plan B disaster in the House? I think we may have just witnessed the end of Boehner's role as Speaker of the House. What an incredible failure. They are truly out in the wilderness. 

post #142 of 3787
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Anyone following the Plan B disaster in the House? I think we may have just witnessed the end of Boehner's role as Speaker of the House. What an incredible failure. They are truly out in the wilderness. 

Fill us in?

post #143 of 3787

John Boner Boehner got so "frustrated' trying to work with the president he proposed his "Plan B" which is basically tax cuts for rich people and getting rid of programs like Meals on Wheels. The Senate would probably vote it down and in case they didn't, Obama promised to veto it, so it was all just political theater designed to try to show the President that House Republicans still had power aaaaaaaaaaaand

 

It imploded. Republicans split on it, it was chaos, they called an emergency closed door meeting where Boehner tried to force them into giving support and then they awkwardly walked away, shut off all the lights and went home and promised not to be back until after Christmas, saying the Democrats would have to fix the fiscal issues. A huge embarrassment. Even for Congress. 

post #144 of 3787
Boehner was in the impossible position of having to fight for a deal too radical to pass if he wanted to please Tea Party radicals and the Norquist/Koch Svengalis who pull their strings. The deficit is never a real issue when Republicans are in power, their decades-long obsession with killing social Security is a solution in search of a problem, and this whole thing was about one man trying to keep his job as Speaker.
post #145 of 3787

He should have never brought it to a vote in the first place. Waste of fucking time and they all should have known it. 

post #146 of 3787
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He should have never brought it to a vote in the first place. Waste of fucking time and they all should have known it. 

 

He really didn't have any other choice. Boehner knows he can't control a good chunk of his party and the only possible way to save face in this was shifting the blame off of Republicans. It was a desperation move that I don't think would have worked even with the votes but he couldn't just let his party drive us over this cliff(not really a cliff but still) without trying something. As much as I dislike Boehner, this ain't his fault. All the Congressional Republicans are to blame.

post #147 of 3787

I'm wondering if Boehner will throw up his arms and try and step down as speaker before the lunatics in his party try and 'fire' him.

post #148 of 3787
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I'm wondering if Boehner will throw up his arms and try and step down as speaker before the lunatics in his party try and 'fire' him.

I find Boehner a tough guy to read. I think in his heart of hearts he aspires to be a Tip O Neill type who gets a grand bargain with the President. Unfortunately his caucus is beyond reason. I imagine a lofty job on K street that utilizes his many connections (and pays ten times as much and lets him drink ten times as much Merlot) is highly appealing. Plus you know that little fuck Cantor smells blood Inge water.

Still, I felt a twinge of sympathy for Boehner as he emotionally recited the Serenity prayer and admitted defeat (declaring 'we don't have the votes!' no less than three times). I don't see him moving forward from this.
post #149 of 3787
Say what you will about Politico, but they sure do bring the Schadenfreude with these headlines:

"Behind the scenes of a GOP meltdown"
"Right rages at Boehner cliff debacle"
"Cliff chaos: Boehner pulls GOP bill"
"Boehners embarrassment"
post #150 of 3787

What I wouldn't give to hear Stewart and Colbert commenting on all this right now.

 

From Mother Jones

 

Boehnerpocalypse Now

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