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post #251 of 3798
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Pretty amazing that Peter King went on Fox and said New Yorkers shouldn't contribute to congressional Republicans' campaigns because they wouldn't allow a vote on Hurricane Sandy relief. 

 

I feel like this is an excuse for some to throw Boehner under the bus, while still voting for the cliff deal, and elect a new House Majority rep.

post #252 of 3798
Especially interesting is Christie excoriating Boehner while making it very clear that Cantor did everything he could to help pass the bill. Very interesting. Et tu, Christie?
post #253 of 3798

If Boehner wants to retain any shred of respectability (?!) he'd walk to the floor of the House, grab the mic and say "fuck you all, I quit congress" *  and then drop the mic and walk out.

 

(* of course, he would be crying why saying all this)

post #254 of 3798
Tomarrow's vote for Speaker has just gotten more interesting. Still think Boehner win win and stay as the Speaker. However I won't be shocked if someone challenges him like say Cantor and than it'll be all over for him. The comments on the aftermath of the fiscal cliff vote and the failure of a vote on disaster relief for the Tri-state region. All in all interesting just shows there is bad, ugly divide in the GOP boy these next 2-4 years could be entertaining, if not catastrophic.
post #255 of 3798
A guest on Maddow's show last night* pointed out that Cantor would be absurd to want the Speaker's position. Where he is now, he can enjoy the credibility that comes with fighting the President and the Speaker without the responsibility that either man actually carries.

*I do not have this commentator's name. This is what happens when you're listening to MSNBC while playing Star Wars: The Old Republic on the other side of the room. The good news is that the Nez Peron asteroid field has been made safe from Republic scum for another day. You're welcome.

ETA: HuffPo reports that Boehner narrowly retained the Speaker position after nobody challenged him for the job.

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Edited by Reasor - 1/3/13 at 10:41am
post #256 of 3798
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

A guest on Maddow's show last night* pointed out that Cantor would be absurd to want the Speaker's position. Where he is now, he can enjoy the credibility that comes with fighting the President and the Speaker without the responsibility that either man actually carries.
 

 

You're failing to factor in the fact that Cantor is a narcissistic egomaniac.

 

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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

ETA: HuffPo reports that Boehner narrowly retained the Speaker position after nobody challenged him for the job.

 

Though I wonder if this was that he thought House Minority leader might be a better job in a few years, when it's easier to pick off Boehner, or whether he just didn't have the votes.

post #257 of 3798

Given the state of the GOP, who the fuck would want the job as speaker?

You'd have to be a masochist to be speaker in these times.

 

That being said, I bet there are some that would looooove to get into that position....-cough- Ryan -cough-

post #258 of 3798

Still not going forward.

700

post #259 of 3798

hey, look...the GOP is movin....oh, ummm....nevermind.

 

Rep. Paul Ryan Co-Sponsors Fetal Rights Bill -- Again!

post #260 of 3798
Mark my words the next Republican Speaker of the House will be Paul Ryan. This will probably happen sooner than later but likely after the Democrats screw up again and the Republicans take back the house he will be the one controlling it.

I won't be suprised if he dosent run in 2016 and realize he will be more powerful in congress. I feel unless the Democrats pick someone really terrible no Republican will have a chance at the presidency and I think Ryan realizes this, that's why he going back to being extreme as he was before that way he could secure a leadership role. Trust me out of all the crazies in the house he's the only one the tea party and the establishment take seriously. So in the future get used to saying "Speaker Ryan".
post #261 of 3798

I'd love to see Paul Ryan run in 2016. The minute his "Secy" pics with his weights and his P90 Workout are posted the "race" will be a Comedy Fest!

post #262 of 3798
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post

I'd love to see Paul Ryan run in 2016. The minute his "Secy" pics with his weights and his P90 Workout are posted the "race" will be a Comedy Fest!

 

Your lips to the GOP god's ears!  I think he was chastened by 2012 though and won't do it again.

post #263 of 3798
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

hey, look...the GOP is movin....oh, ummm....nevermind.

Rep. Paul Ryan Co-Sponsors Fetal Rights Bill -- Again!

But considering gun control legislation is a distraction from the important business of creating jobs!
post #264 of 3798

oh that's right they took power promising more new jobs. So how is that going................

 

Oh nevermind. I guess forced trans vaginal probes, person-hood bills for zygotes and pointlessly voting to repeal Obamacare is more important

post #265 of 3798
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But considering gun control legislation is a distraction from the important business of creating jobs!

 

well, there will be all sorts of new jobs available when the 'Orphanage Corporation of America' is created (a subsidiary of the Corrections Corp. of America)

 

Lot's of room for movement as guards teachers in this new business venture.

post #266 of 3798

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/behind-the-curtain-house-gop-eyes-default-shutdown-86116.html?hp=t1

 

“I think it is possible that we would shut down the government to make sure President Obama understands that we’re serious,” -House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers

 

These fuckers will probably follow through this time. They have to save some face from the fiscal cliff deal and clearly don't give a shit about the consequences. 

post #267 of 3798

sneaky mutherfvckers...

 

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RNC's Priebus Proposes to Rig Electoral College so Losing Republicans Can 'Win'

 

Fresh from claiming the GOP’s 2012 run was “a great campaign—a nine-month campaignrdquo; that only went awry at the end, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus now wants to rig the Electoral College so that when Republicans lose they still might “win.”

Specifically, Priebus is urging Republican governors and legislators to take up what was once a fringe scheme to change the rule for distribution of Electoral College votes. Under the Priebus plan, electoral votes from battleground states such as Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin and other states that now regularly back Democrats for president would be allocated not to the statewide winner but to the winners of individual congressional districts.

 

Because of gerrymandering by Republican governors and legislators, and the concentration of Democratic votes in urban areas and college towns, divvying up Electoral College votes based on congressional district wins would yield significantly better results for the GOP. In Wisconsin, where Democrat Barack Obama won in 2012 by a wider margin than he did nationally, the president would only have gotten half the electoral votes. In Pennsylvania, where Obama won easily, he would not have gotten the twenty electoral votes that he did; instead, under the Priebus plan, it would have been eight for Republican Mitt Romney, twelve for Barack Obama.

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post #268 of 3798
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/behind-the-curtain-house-gop-eyes-default-shutdown-86116.html?hp=t1

 

“I think it is possible that we would shut down the government to make sure President Obama understands that we’re serious,” -House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers

 

These fuckers will probably follow through this time. They have to save some face from the fiscal cliff deal and clearly don't give a shit about the consequences. 

 

 

 

Not to sound glib, but I hope there is a shut-down.  We'll see how the committed the white elderly base is to "fiscal conservatism" once their SS checks stop showing up.

post #269 of 3798
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Not to sound glib, but I hope there is a shut-down.  We'll see how the committed the white elderly base is to "fiscal conservatism" once their SS checks stop showing up.


No kidding. Let these fuckers play their little doomsday card again and see how the rest of the country reacts. Forget not learning the lessons of the last 4 years, they still haven't learned the lessons from the 90's.

post #270 of 3798

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/14/no-labels-attacks-partisanship-one-small-step-at-a-time/

 

http://www.nolabels.org/tags/jon-huntsman

 

Heard my man Huntsman talking about this on POTUS earlier today.  Bless his heart.

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post #272 of 3798

......And with this it might not be necessary for the Republican Party to go forward.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/reince-priebus-backs-electoral-vote-change-but-its-states-decision-fp8bqc3-186720481.html

post #273 of 3798
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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ View Post

......And with this it might not be necessary for the Republican Party to go forward.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/reince-priebus-backs-electoral-vote-change-but-its-states-decision-fp8bqc3-186720481.html

 

<cough> #267 <cough>

 

seriously, the GOP just needs to change their name to SPECTRE, build a volcano lair with a big shark tank and go find a fluffy white cat to pet.

post #274 of 3798
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#267

seriously, the GOP just needs to change their name to SPECTRE, build a volcano lair with a big shark tank and go find a fluffy white cat to pet.

I think they are more intersted in setting up a real life Hunger Games. Though the sharks with lasers could come in handy in that scenario.
post #275 of 3798
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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ View Post

......And with this it might not be necessary for the Republican Party to go forward.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/reince-priebus-backs-electoral-vote-change-but-its-states-decision-fp8bqc3-186720481.html

 

This isn't new. They've tried this in a few states and it's never passed. For one thing, it can work against them, too, especially if they don't choose carefully.

post #276 of 3798

I know that plan has been discussed in PA. I really don't want to see an election decided by people who still respect Joe Pantero.

post #277 of 3798

yup, movin' forward....

 

expect to see a lot more shit like this over the next couple years

 

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Virginia GOP Pulls ‘Dirty Trick’ On Inauguration Day

 

Democrats in Virginia are accusing state Republicans of taking advantage of a prominent civil rights leader’s trip to Washington for the presidential inauguration to pull a “dirty trick” in order to take control of the state Senate in the 2015 elections.

 

The state Senate is split 20-20 between Republicans and Democrats. On Monday, while state Sen. Henry Marsh (D) — a 79-year-old civil rights veteran — was reportedly in Washington to attend President Obama’s second inaugural, GOP senators forced through a mid-term redistricting plan that Democrats say will make it easier for Republicans to gain a majority.

 

With Marsh’s absence, Senate Republicans in Richmond had one more vote than Senate Democrats and could push the measure through. The new redistricting map revises the districts created under the 2011 map and would take effect before the next state Senate elections in Virginia and would redraw district lines to maximize the number of safe GOP seats.

 

The move was a surprise to just about everyone, including Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell who has not yet pledged to endorse the new district lines, which must now go through the GOP-controlled House of Delegates and finally across McDonnell’s desk before final approval.

 

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post #278 of 3798
Yep and than they ajourned after they gerrymandered more Democratic African American districts, not for MLK, obviously, but for Confederate General Stonewall Jackson! Seriously fuck the GOP they are officially evil. Get their volcano secret lair, henchmen and white cats they can stroke while laughing at poor people being destroyed and nuclear bombing the entire Middle East! Ugh!
post #279 of 3798

There has got to be a better way to handle redistricting. Do we not have a computer that can do that for us?  Let's get some GIS computer engineers on this who look only at population data, not voting data, and see what maps they would draw.

 

Districts need to be contiguous and that's about it right?

post #280 of 3798

I really hope good people figure out a way to fight this.  It seems like between gerrymandering and splitting up the electoral votes, there's virtually no recourse in GOP-controlled states short of ballot initiatives. 

post #281 of 3798
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Originally Posted by MrTyres View Post

There has got to be a better way to handle redistricting. Do we not have a computer that can do that for us?  Let's get some GIS computer engineers on this who look only at population data, not voting data, and see what maps they would draw.

 

Districts need to be contiguous and that's about it right?


I believe California has done some solid work in sorting out the issue. Represent.

http://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/

post #282 of 3798

It was amazing.  But we're a blue state.  The Republicans bankrolled a ballot initiative to stop it but ended up abandoning it.  I think the people that live in these red states that went for Obama in 2012 need to rise up and demand the kind of nonpartisan redistricting panel that we had.
 

post #283 of 3798

I just love it when my State House is busy trying to both shove things up women's vaginas and disenfranchise me. Quite the multitaskers! This is the sort of thing that makes me regret payroll withholding of income taxes: We can't organize tax strikes over shit like this. I need to call... somebody.

post #284 of 3798
I think in a decade Virginia could be awesome but first these morons need to die. It seems like it evolving into more like Maryland with more coastal beaches and nice scenery. Out of any southern state it's the only one I'd consider.
post #285 of 3798
Thread Starter 

Hillary Clinton destroying an asshat GOP Senator.   It made my day...

 

 

One thing is clear.   The GOP weren't concerned about America being misled.   They wanted to stop the Hillary Express from steamrolling them 3 1/2 years from now.   And they not only failed but elevated Hillary's chances in my opinion.   I cannot wait for 2016.   I predict Reagan 1984 numbers or damn close to it.

post #286 of 3798
I hope the people of Wisconsin kick Johnson to the curb in his next election he's such a moron and seems to have a problem with woman like saying that he wanted to show teach Tammy Baldwin a few thing about being in congress, actually she's been in the house for years.

Though the more offensive stuff was Rand Paul. Saying that he would fire her. What a tough guy. Who last week accused Obama of being a king. These Republicans are pathetic.

This had nothing to do with seeing what went wrong and just about fundraising and getting political points on Secretary Clinton. They know with the popularity of Clinton they are screwed if she wins so they tried to make her look incompetent and lacks decision making but this just made look like jerks and political sociopaths by turning a tragic situation into political gamesmanship, they should be ashamed of themselves. Lets not get into the house republicans.....
post #287 of 3798

If you like democracy, spread the word about this bullshit

 

From Raw Story.

 

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Maddow warns GOP’s presidential vote rigging plan ‘is gathering steam’

 

 

Following up on her Tuesday segment, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow explained how Virginia Republicans planned to set up the presidential election system in favor of the GOP.

 

“We have been documenting over the last few days what appears to be a coordinated effort by Republicans in a number of key states to change the rules for electing a president,” she said. “To change the rules so essentially Democrats running for president cannot win.”

 

Republican lawmakers in the state are advancing legislation to replace the current winner-takes-all system with one that allocates electoral college votes based on the winner of each congressional district. The bill would ensure Republican presidents pick up electoral college votes from rural, conservative districts. Combined with the latest gerrymandered electoral maps that were pushed through the state Senate, the proposed changes would virtually guarantee that Republican presidents obtain a majority of electoral votes from the state, even if they receive less votes.

 

“If the system Virginia Republicans are pushing now had been in place in 2012, Barack Obama still would have received 150,000 more votes than Mitt Romney in Virginia, but the electoral college vote in Virginia would have been 4 votes for Barack Obama and 9 votes for Mitt Romney,” Maddow explained. “I wonder why they want to make that change?”

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post #289 of 3798
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I hope the people of Wisconsin kick Johnson to the curb in his next election he's such a moron and seems to have a problem with woman like saying that he wanted to show teach Tammy Baldwin a few thing about being in congress, actually she's been in the house for years.

Though the more offensive stuff was Rand Paul. Saying that he would fire her. What a tough guy. Who last week accused Obama of being a king. These Republicans are pathetic.

This had nothing to do with seeing what went wrong and just about fundraising and getting political points on Secretary Clinton. They know with the popularity of Clinton they are screwed if she wins so they tried to make her look incompetent and lacks decision making but this just made look like jerks and political sociopaths by turning a tragic situation into political gamesmanship, they should be ashamed of themselves. Lets not get into the house republicans.....

 

Still can't believe an awesome dude like Feingold lost to that douche. 2010 was just shit.

post #290 of 3798

I honestly cannot grasp what the GOP's problem with Benghazi is even supposed to be. I mean, I know the real truth is that it's just a convenient political club to wield against Obama and Hillary Clinton, but what are they actually saying is wrong with how the administration handled the situation? The fact that they didn't know it was an attack and thought it was a protest? Is the one actually that much worse than the other? I don't understand how this is supposed to stick with people who aren't die-hard Obama-haters already. What is the actual pitch? "There are questions..." is really fucking vague.
 

post #291 of 3798

It's just a political club, like you said.  They were able to use it to get Susan Rice out of the way, opening up Kerry's senate seat for Scott Brown to possibly take it.  That worked, so now they're just trying to discredit Clinton to prevent a run in 2016.  It's all bullshit.

post #292 of 3798
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It's just a political club, like you said.  They were able to use it to get Susan Rice out of the way, opening up Kerry's senate seat for Scott Brown to possibly take it.  That worked, so now they're just trying to discredit Clinton to prevent a run in 2016.  It's all bullshit.

It's this. They're fighting the 2016 Presidential campaign already, and hoping like hell it doesn't blow up in their faces and cost them the Congress in 2014.
post #293 of 3798
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It's this. They're fighting the 2016 Presidential campaign already, and hoping like hell it doesn't blow up in their faces and cost them the Congress in 2014.

 

<crosses fingers>

post #294 of 3798
It's an open secret in Washington that Obama and his fellow democrats are working feverishly to try and recapture the house in 2014, so he can bookend his presidency with ultra productive (and progressive) supermajorities. He is nothing if not ambitious. The possibility of this seems doubtful in light of the gerrymandering in 2010... But a man can dream.
post #295 of 3798

Yes, I know WHY they're doing it, but what is their actual argument? If I'm an unbiased viewer, why am I supposed to care? "They didn't realize right away that it was a co-ordinated attack as opposed to a mob riot" is incredibly weak shit, and I can't believe the GOP thinks it's a worthwhile strategy. Is that really the end of their argument? "Benghazi! Whoo-ooooo-ooo! Unanswered questions!"

post #296 of 3798
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Yes, I know WHY they're doing it, but what is their actual argument? If I'm an unbiased viewer, why am I supposed to care? "They didn't realize right away that it was a co-ordinated attack as opposed to a mob riot" is incredibly weak shit, and I can't believe the GOP thinks it's a worthwhile strategy. Is that really the end of their argument? "Benghazi! Whoo-ooooo-ooo! Unanswered questions!"

 

What was their argument during whitewater? What was the impeachment about?  Why did we invade Iraq? Who the hell thought Mitt Romney was remotely electable? Are we certain Christine O'Donnell isn't a witch? If Indiana Jones has sneaked a quick look when the Ark was opened, would he look like Mitch McConnell?

 

You're expecting logic from a free-ranging, rage-based semi-sentient ball of roving impotent reactionary anger. They assume that if they keep screaming about Benghazi people will assume there's something there, because otherwise why would they be screaming about it?  And it's worked before. Part of what's driving them so nuts right now is that people are largely ignoring it.

post #297 of 3798
Love that people have finally wised up to their crap, it took long enough though. I think 2014 could be a catastrophic for them they seem to be treading water and even registered Republicans seem to be turning them, i.e.- on the abortion issue/roe vs wade and universal background check with guns.

The only thing that concerns me is the potentially illegal gerrymandering they seem to be doing and changing elections for president (if that's successful than possibly senate) and that is huge problem but it tells me the GOP is scared for their political life. People need to realize these things are happening and stop it and hopefully some sensible Republicans will join in because its massively unfair and I'd say the same if the democrats pulled this crap. I feel we need to utterly reform our political process into being a more technocratic process where non politicians determine districts and run election in fairer fashion because its not right having one party dictate elections in this fashion because if it wasn't for gerrymandering the house would be run by the Democrats, as it should be since nationally they got more than a million more votes!
post #298 of 3798

I don't even...

 

Seriously, how can you even begin to work with people like this? Frightening.

post #299 of 3798
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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post

 

What was their argument during whitewater? What was the impeachment about?  Why did we invade Iraq? Who the hell thought Mitt Romney was remotely electable? Are we certain Christine O'Donnell isn't a witch? If Indiana Jones has sneaked a quick look when the Ark was opened, would he look like Mitch McConnell?

 

I ws never up on Whitewater, but it's not hard to at least infer misuse of funds or some kind of corruption, which is a thing. The argument for Iraq was that they had WMDs and also were best buds with Bin Laden. As facile and incorrect as they might have been, they actually had allegations. With Benghazi I don't even get what the allegations are. It's all dark mutterings and something something malfeasance something something cover-up (covering up what?) Unless they're seriously trying to pretend Obama was covering for AL Qaeda because he's a SECRET TERRORIST OPERATIVE. I know we like to say "Those wacky Republicans, they'll say anything!" but they're not going to go after the administration without something that sounds vaguely plausible, and I'm not clear on what that's supposed to be here.

post #300 of 3798
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

 

I ws never up on Whitewater, but it's not hard to at least infer misuse of funds or some kind of corruption, which is a thing. The argument for Iraq was that they had WMDs and also were best buds with Bin Laden. As facile and incorrect as they might have been, they actually had allegations. With Benghazi I don't even get what the allegations are. It's all dark mutterings and something something malfeasance something something cover-up (covering up what?) Unless they're seriously trying to pretend Obama was covering for AL Qaeda because he's a SECRET TERRORIST OPERATIVE. I know we like to say "Those wacky Republicans, they'll say anything!" but they're not going to go after the administration without something that sounds vaguely plausible, and I'm not clear on what that's supposed to be here.

 

The Clintons lost money on Whitewater. It was never really clear what they were looking for there, really, and it became clear it was just a target of opportunity. The GOP is just trying to turn a fake scandal into a sinister code word. They know there isn't anything there, and they don't care.

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