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Someone on my FB feed claims Benghazi is a cover-up for the fact that Obama sold weapons to Al Qeada.  Yes they were serious.

 

Words fail.
 

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You should bring up Reagan ACTUALLY SELLING ARMS to Iran, and see how they react.

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I ws never up on Whitewater, but it's not hard to at least infer misuse of funds or some kind of corruption, which is a thing. The argument for Iraq was that they had WMDs and also were best buds with Bin Laden. As facile and incorrect as they might have been, they actually had allegations. With Benghazi I don't even get what the allegations are. It's all dark mutterings and something something malfeasance something something cover-up (covering up what?) Unless they're seriously trying to pretend Obama was covering for AL Qaeda because he's a SECRET TERRORIST OPERATIVE. I know we like to say "Those wacky Republicans, they'll say anything!" but they're not going to go after the administration without something that sounds vaguely plausible, and I'm not clear on what that's supposed to be here.

I think the argument they're trying to make to average Joe is both "Because of this administration's incompetence four people died on Sept. 11" (as opposed to the thousands that died on that OTHER Sept. 11 in which THAT administration was totally on the ball about) and "In order to make himself look good for the election, Obama lied and said it was a protest instead of a terrorist attack" (to which I'd like to quote Hillary as saying "What the hell difference does it make?") 

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You should bring up Reagan ACTUALLY SELLING ARMS to Iran, and see how they react.

 

Republican fantasy Reagan did no such thing. He also never negotiated with the USSR or raised taxes. His mere words could shatter the Berlin wall, and his touch cured all diseases, which is why he never addressed AIDS. And he never divorced.

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Yeah, I honestly don't get what the hell I'm supposed to be pissed off when it comes to Benghazi.   Am I supposed to be mad that the State Dept. had to revise its assessment of the situation a few weeks later when it became clear it was a coordinated attack instead of just a protest?   Really? That's it?   Because that seems to be what they're running with. 

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Isn't it time for a real Moderate party?  One that wants gun control and fiscal responsibility?  Closing Gitmo and reducing foreign adventurism?  Stopping due-process-free killing of anyone on a secret naughty list, bystanders be damned?  But without isolationism?

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Isn't it time for a real Moderate party?  One that wants gun control and fiscal responsibility?  Closing Gitmo and reducing foreign adventurism?  Stopping due-process-free killing of anyone on a secret naughty list, bystanders be damned?  But without isolationism?

No we already have that they are called that they are called the Democrats. What we really need is major progressive party that will stand up to the bs by the Republicans and Democrats and stand up for people's rights and fight against corruption of the banks, Wall Street and corporations. Because neither party seems to want to do anything about that and we need someone that will.
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Fair enough, because Gitmo, drone strike debate, or ending the patriot act has sure gone pfffft.

 

It's weird, I thought GOPers would be all over Obama's continuation and expansion of the Patriot Act, but not one word.  Seems like something out of their playbook (Republican support of losing privacy = Patrotism!  Dem support = Communism!)

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

Isn't it time for a real Moderate party?  One that wants gun control and fiscal responsibility?  Closing Gitmo and reducing foreign adventurism?  Stopping due-process-free killing of anyone on a secret naughty list, bystanders be damned?  But without isolationism?

 

Fuck that. Let's keep with the insanity!

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/25/arizona-republicans-propose-bill-that-would-not-allow-atheists-to-graduate-high-school/

 

So Arizona and Florida are at least two of the states I never want to live in so far.

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Ugh! And to think I gave Arizona credit for being semi-sensible for accepting conditions of Obamacare. So appreciation rescinded. God Arizonians really have to vote out all their representatives ASAP!

Also probably the most alarming thing is that they trying to do a loyalty clause for all Americans now, I understand that if you are taking the oath of office for congress, Supreme Court, president or in the milatary. Thats makes sense and dosent particularly bother me, but for everyday citizens and this isn't hyperbole but it comes off as being very fascist. Why not force every boy in the Boy Scouts and every girl in the Girl Scouts as well?

I mean did they ever read the constitution? I want to make a time machine and grab Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison and being them to our time to kick their asses hell grab Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin to join in for fun. There is no way any of them would agree with the crap the GOP has done lately and would view it disgustingly as attempts at tyranny!
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WARNING- before reading any further, unplug your irony meter if you don't want it to explode.

 

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Bobby Jindal to GOP: Don't be 'the stupid party'

 

CHARLOTTE, N.C.—Watch out, Washington: Bobby Jindal called Thursday on Republicans to take an ax to the federal government.

 

The Louisiana governor suggested “rethinking nearly every social program in Washington” in a speech to members of the Republican National Committee gathered here.

 

“If any rational human being were to create our government anew, today, from a blank piece of paper — we would have about one-fourth of the buildings we have in Washington and about half of the government workers,” he said, according to a copy of the speech obtained in advance by POLITICO. “We would replace most of its bureaucracy with a handful of good websites.”

 

<cont.>

 

Let's see...Bobby Jindal doesn't want to be "the stupid party" and yet-

 

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1. He permits Louisiana schools to teach creationism. Thanks to Jindal’s educational voucher system in Louisiana, students will be attending private or parochial schools on the taxpayer’s dime. But those schools don’t necessarily meet the standards of the state’s public schools, and may teach students creationism instead of standard science curricula.

 

2. He allows state employees to be fired for being gay. During his first few months as governor, Jindal decided not to renew an anti-discrimination executive order protecting LGBT employees who work for the state. Jindal has also said that same sex marriage opens up a path for courts to overturn the Second Amendment.

 

3. He has signed bills to intimidate women seeking abortions. Jindal compared women who have gotten abortions to criminals. But that unpalatable sentiment also came with a policy change — he signed a bill that requires all abortion clinics to post intimidating messages in their waiting rooms, and establishes a website that points women to crisis pregnancy centers instead of abortion-providing facilities. Jindal also signed a measure creating a 24-hour waiting period between a woman’s mandatory ultrasound and the date of her abortion.

 

4. He seeks to dramatically cut taxes for the wealthy, increase taxes for everyone else. Jindal’s latest tax proposal would raise taxes for 80 percent of Louisianians. The poorest 20 percent — with an average income of $12,000 — would face substantial tax increases, while those in the top one percent would on average get a tax cut of $25,423.

 

5. He refuses to provide health care for Louisiana’s poorest. Louisiana has the third highest uninsured rate in the country. Twenty percent of residents lack insurance of any kind. But as one of the governors vehemently opposed to Obamacare, Jindal turned down the Medicaid expansion offered under the law, ignoring the fact that it would drastically lower the numbers of uninsured and ultimately save the state money on emergency care.

 

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/25/1495721/jindal-stupid-party/

 

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But he doesn't want people say these things publicly so people would know their evil fascistic polices that would destroy our country as we know it. See it's not wrong to do these things but for the love of god don't say anything!
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So, one must wonder -- if the republican party is so pathetic, fractured, ass-backwards and teetering on the verge of oblivion, what does that make the Democrats, who have just shat themselves with the filibuster reform?

 

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/will-conservative-judges-help-republicans-nullify-the-recess-appointment-power.php?ref=fpb

 

You're a cunt, Harry.  A worthless cunt.

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So, one must wonder -- if the republican party is so pathetic, fractured, ass-backwards and teetering on the verge of oblivion, what does that make the Democrats, who have just shat themselves with the filibuster reform?

 

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/will-conservative-judges-help-republicans-nullify-the-recess-appointment-power.php?ref=fpb

 

You're a cunt, Harry.  A worthless cunt.


yeah, this capitulation is kinda pissing me off...but part of me wants to believe that it was done as part of some sort of 'long game' strategy. <crosses fingers>

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yeah, this capitulation is kinda pissing me off...but part of me wants to believe that it was done as part of some sort of 'long game' strategy. <crosses fingers>

 

 

Or the Dems are looking to the future where they might want to do some fillibustering of their own.

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yeah, this capitulation is kinda pissing me off...but part of me wants to believe that it was done as part of some sort of 'long game' strategy. <crosses fingers>

 

No, it's just Harry Reid; he's utterly useless.

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Or the Dems are looking to the future where they might want to do some fillibustering of their own.

 

Or y'know, the dems know that if they upend the fillibuster they're giving a battered Republican party an excuse to get nothing done the next four years.  The writing is on the wall for Republicans.  If they don't start legislating, instead of obstructing, their influence will continue to wane with each election.  I'm not saying they're about to give up their never-ending quest to dismantle the legacies of the New Deal, but they at least know that their current strategy isn't working.  Using a questionable loop-hole to change the fillibuster, however tempting, would 1) give Republicans cover for further obstructionism, and 2) wouldn't make a difference since nothing would ever ever get through the Republican-controlled House.  

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yeah, this capitulation is kinda pissing me off...but part of me wants to believe that it was done as part of some sort of 'long game' strategy.

The long game is called 'Harry Reid's Political Career'.

I feel like McNulty today. "Shit never fuckin changes!"

And don't even get me started on that soulless fucker Jindal. UGH.
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He didn't have the votes for the talking filibuster, which would have been the best compromise. 

 

The GOP wouldn't hesitate to blow up the filibuster if their positions were reversed.  Then again, the Dems would never be as obstructionist as the GOP minority has these last two congresses. 

 

There is a lawsuit moving forward calling the filibuster unconstitutional, which it is.  We'll see if that gets anywhere. 

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 I've heard the logic on Reid is that he doesn't want to lose the filibuster in case the the dems are in the minority. Its logic I don't agree with, but that is what I heard. He should have at least had a talking filibuster.

 

  In case Jindal is reading this, if you want creationism taught in schools, your one of the reasons that the GOP is the party of stupid.

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Hey I guess McCain isn't comically evil anymore. Well at least on immigration. Probably still scowling like Clint Eastwood on Benghazi. Hopefully he can sway people like Rubio to take a sensible position on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/27/john-mccain-immigration-reform_n_2561614.html?icid=hp_front_top_art
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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ View Post

Hey I guess McCain isn't comically evil anymore. Well at least on immigration. Probably still scowling like Clint Eastwood on Benghazi. Hopefully he can sway people like Rubio to take a sensible position on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/27/john-mccain-immigration-reform_n_2561614.html?icid=hp_front_top_art

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up about McCain, the wheel he spins to determine what his position is on a topic just happened to land on the really slim "give a rational answer" portion today.

The majority of the wheel is made up of "answer like a crazy old person" so odds are tomorrow it will be back to nutzo.

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Originally Posted by bigbrother View Post

 

Fuck that. Let's keep with the insanity!

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/25/arizona-republicans-propose-bill-that-would-not-allow-atheists-to-graduate-high-school/

 

So Arizona and Florida are at least two of the states I never want to live in so far.

 

Here's the pledge, they forgot the 'Heil' at the end:

 

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I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

 

How can a religious person give that pledge either, since it's putting Government above God?  And which God? (Republic baby king jeebus, I know)

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 I read that story on Crooks and Liars. News like this isn't helping the GOP shrug off the Stupid Party label.

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 I read that story on Crooks and Liars. News like this isn't helping the GOP shrug off the Stupid Party label.

To continue the 'shrug' analogy...


The problem is that the GOP believes that it's just wearing a shawl draped over it's shoulders.

 

They are actually wearing a straight jacket and that baby is tied up really tight...and there is no Houdini on the horizon.

Hell, some of the tea partiers are convinced that it isn't tight enough and are trying to pull the ropes tighter.

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Alan West, still winning the election you guys!

 

 

http://wonkette.com/tag/pt-that-word-does-not-mean-what-you-think-it-means

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Victoria Jackson is the Zuul to Dennis Miller's Vinz Clortho.
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Victoria Jackson is the Zuul to Dennis Miller's Vinz Clortho.

 

How dare you make that comparison!

 

....Zuul is waaaaay smarter than VJ.

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Lovelier singing voice, too.
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So now Cantor believes in the Dream Act. Hmmm wonder why he changed his mind guess it has to do with losing the Hispanic vote so badly and feeling they can win over a potential of 11 million currently illegals and the rest of the Hispanic community. However what their missing is Latinos buy a wide margarine are more progressive. I feel they'd have better luck with the African American community than Latinos.
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Nothing short of Republicans blatantly kicking out all the racist, crazy members of their party NATIONWIDE would bring a serious look from ANY melanin-infused group; especially after DECADES of bullshit. I can't speak for other Latinos, but for me it's pretty obvious that the Republicans are only whitewashing themselves at the moment to try and get some votes. Make no mistake though, Democrats are the lesser of two evils at this point so my suggestion of a mass purge for the Republicans may be a small hurdle to get melanin-infused groups move in serious numbers over to them.

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speaking of whitewashing....IMO, this is just one example of the face of the current GOP and why they are in deep shit.

 

 

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speaking of whitewashing....IMO, this is just one example of the face of the current GOP and why they are in deep shit.

 

 


This would be the hardest game of Hasbro's Guess Who? ever. 

 

"Is he a middle aged white guy?"

 

"Yes"

 

"...Damnit."

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Now here's some actual news: VA Republican does not act like an asshole; follows conscience, bucks party to kill that gerrymandering bill. To be clear, not because he's against gerrymandering in principle, necessarily, but because it wasn't germane to the bill it was sneakily tacked onto. Now, of course, he's going to be stomped by his own party in retribution.

 

Also gets McDonnell off the hook from having to either put his stamp on something odious (he certainly has national aspirations) or piss off his own party machine like this guy has. He's already come out against it, at least the method of its introduction, but without ever committing to veto it. Which has the cynic in me (with no evidence) wondering if McDonnell had anything to do with the Speaker's decision. Speaker, meet sword; fall, please. Possible.

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Former SC GOP Exec Director Fires Off Racially-Charged Tweets During The Super Bowl

 

"During last night’s Super Bowl, former South Carolina GOP executive director Todd Kincannon sent out a flurry of racially-charged tweets, stirring controversy among social media users. Kincannon’s tweets largely involved “jokes” about Trayvon Martin, dick-sucking, Hurricane Katrina, and black people."

 

Some of Kincannon's messages were so gross that most media outlets wouldn't reprint them, but here are a few highlights.

 

Note: a quick visit to Todd Kincannon's Twitter feed shows that he doesn't restrict this kind of bullshit to primetime sport events. This guy comes off like the ne plus ultra of fratboy douchebags. In one of his posts, he refers to the people stranded in the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina as "poors."

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What an asshole.

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from DailyKos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/12/1186623/-Choosing-between-protecting-women-and-his-2016-chances-Rubio-sides-with-fringe

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Would it surprise you that every single vote against the Violence Against Women Act was a male Republican? Of course it wouldn't. But the fact that Marco Rubio was among the fringe 22 "no" votes might.

 

Yup, Marco Rubio, savior of the GOP, went on the record as opposing legislation protecting women against violence. Why? No word yet. But there likely is nothing Rubio does today without an eye toward 2016. He's the savior, after all!

 

His excuse reasoning...

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Unfortunately, I could not support the final, entire legislation that contains new provisions that could have potentially adverse consequences. Specifically, this bill would mandate the diversion of a portion of funding from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs, although there’s no evidence to suggest this shift will result in a greater number of convictions. These funding decisions should be left up to the state-based coalitions that understand local needs best, but instead this new legislation would put those decisions into the hands of distant Washington bureaucrats in the Department of Justice. Additionally, I have concerns regarding the conferring of criminal jurisdiction to some Indian tribal governments over all persons in Indian country, including non-Indians.
 
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Rubio was asked how old the Earth was and his response was that there are many schools of thought yada yada yada. Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution doesn't get my vote.

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Anyone else ever notice that the current Time Magazine covers can be different around the world?

 

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Rubio? the Republican..."snicker"..savior?Hahahaha
 

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One of these things is not like the other... oh wait, no, they're all exactly the same. 

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Rubio? the Republican..."snicker"..savior?Hahahaha

 

He's more charismatic than Bobby Jindal. I guess...... That what I've heard the media say anyway.

Honestly the Republicans are screwed for the long haul unless they nominate Christie or Huntsman.
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He's more charismatic than Bobby Jindal. I guess...... That what I've heard the media say anyway.

Honestly the Republicans are screwed for the long haul unless they nominate Christie or Huntsman.

 

I can imagine the phone calls and meetings are happening as we speak....

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Honestly the Republicans are screwed for the long haul unless they nominate Christie or Huntsman.

 

Honestly, I can't imagine it will be Huntsman. He isn't known to the general populace and he would have to explain why he worked in the Obama administration a lot in the primary. His primary opponent would just keep bringing that up.  That being said, it should be Huntsman.

 

If I were a man who believed in secret conspiracies to run elections, Huntsman would win his primaries by talking by saying "Yes, I worked for President Obama because he asked me to serve my country as Ambassador to the worlds 2nd largest economy. I would do it again. Anyone who says they wouldn't does not deserve to be on this stage."

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The Republicans were supposedly "screwed" before winning the midterms in 2010, so we shall see.

 

Apparently, the Republicans plan on reforming involves trotting out electable Republicans that aren't old white dudes (of which there are apparently two) and saying "Hey check it out! Cool huh?"

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Honestly, I can't imagine it will be Huntsman. He isn't known to the general populace and he would have to explain why he worked in the Obama administration a lot in the primary. His primary opponent would just keep bringing that up.  That being said, it should be Huntsman.

 

If I were a man who believed in secret conspiracies to run elections, Huntsman would win his primaries by talking by saying "Yes, I worked for President Obama because he asked me to serve my country as Ambassador to the worlds 2nd largest economy. I would do it again. Anyone who says they wouldn't does not deserve to be on this stage."

 

The problem is that Huntsman, as well as Christie, have both publicly called out the GOP on some of their bullshit and the GOP doesn't like it when their faults are pointed out. 

 

     "Fredo, you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."

 

I think that the majority of the Republicans still want a 'pure' GOP member to carry their ideological flag without question. Right now they are throwing the new guys up against the media wall to see if any of them will stick.

<Mangy beat me to it> :)

post #347 of 3798

So the GOP is really going to filibuster Hagel over Benghazi? What the fuck does one even have to do with the other? 

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Obama's got too many wins so I'm guessing they're trying to show that they still have some sort of power to stand up against him. Playground BS. Although, if the Rs do try to pull off a filibuster against him, I'm more curious to see how the wet noodle of Harry Reid responds. If his past actions are any indication, he'll let it happen and just go "Oh well." Weak POS that he is.

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Obama's got too many wins so I'm guessing they're trying to show that they still have some sort of power to stand up against him. Playground BS. Although, if the Rs do try to pull off a filibuster against him, I'm more curious to see how the wet noodle of Harry Reid responds. If his past actions are any indication, he'll let it happen and just go "Oh well." Weak POS that he is.

 

He's ignored the holds the GOP has tried so far, so he's doing better than I would have guessed.

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Read a little while ago on Talking Points Memo that it's related to the Republican's trying to flex and show that their "holds" still have some power.

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