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post #3701 of 3758
And every legislator who voted for that law is unironically afraid of sharia law.
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If you thought Greg Gianforte was the nadir of Montana politics after he assaulted Ben Jacobs and lied to a judge about giving him an interview, Karen Marshall would like to have a word with you:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/21/montana-gianforte-ben-jacobs-karen-marshall-would-have-shot

 

Quote:

A Montana Republican party official “would have shot” Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs if he had approached her as he did Greg Gianforte, who assaulted Jacobs one day before he was elected to Congress.

 

Jacobs approached Gianforte in May, in a room where he was about to give a television interview. The Republican slammed Jacobs to the floor, breaking his glasses, and then punched him several times.

 

Gianforte pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault, apologized to Jacobs and donated $50,000 to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ).

 

“If that kid had done to me what he did to Greg, I would have shot him,” Karen Marshall, vice-president of programs for Gallatin County Republican Women told the Voice of Montana radio program on Thursday.

 

Marshall also described herself as a “friend” of Gianforte. According to federal records, a Karen Marshall from Bozeman, Montana, donated the federal maximum of $2,700 to Gianforte’s campaign for Congress.

 

The altercation occurred in a private room at a campaign event, after Jacobs asked Gianforte a question about healthcare. Several reporters were invited to the event, a picnic.

 

“That kid came on private property, came into a private building, and went into a very private room that I would not even have gone into,” Marshall said. “It was a setup. A complete setup. He just pushed a little too hard.”

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Apart from entering a room and asking a question, what is Jacobs supposed to have done that was so provocative?
post #3704 of 3758
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Originally Posted by jhp1608 View Post

Apart from entering a room and asking a question, what is Jacobs supposed to have done that was so provocative?

Nothing. That's just it; support for Gianforte in the wake of the assault, and now Marshall's assertion that Jacobs got off easy when Gianforte assaulted him, hinges on the belief that journalists are such a threat to the established order that they deserve to be treated with violence for doing their jobs.
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People that knowingly lie really hate it when they get called out on their lying...especially in public, on tape/video and, if pushed on the matter, the idea of physical violence is a viable response.

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One grifter begets another.....
 

Quote:

Who knew? Kid Rock’s Senate campaign was all about selling albums.

 

We were 99.99 percent certain that Detroit musician Kid Rock’s run for a Senate seat — he debuted the website kidrockforsenate.com this summer and spent the past few months teasing his possible candidacy — was nothing more than a marketing stunt, and now the woulda-been “gentleman from Michigan” is admitting as much.

 

“I’m not running for Senate. Are you kidding me?” Rock told radio host Howard Stern this morning on the shock jock’s SiriusXM show, per the Detroit Free Press. Of course, since he’s Kid Rock, he peppered his comments with expletives definitely not fit for the Senate floor. “Who couldn’t figure that out? I’m releasing a new album. I’m going on tour, too.”

<cont>

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Are you shocked? I'm shocked.
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Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul are all in on Roy Moore.  Hopefully, everyone will laugh if any of these guys ever pretend to adhere strictly to the Constitution ever again.  Oh wait, here's a Ted Cruz endorsement of Moore where he says the man "has a lifelong passion for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."

 

 

No, that's not true.

post #3709 of 3758

The House GOP is curtailing Dana Rohrabacher's power and funding because they think he's compromised.  So, it wasn't just a "joke" then, eh, Paul Ryan?

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-leaders-refusing-to-pay-for-dana-rohrabachers-travel-over-russia-fears

 

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House Republican leaders have taken the extraordinary step of curtailing Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s (R-CA) ability to conduct official business out of fear that he is too compromised by his ties to Russia.

 

Rohrabacher has drawn scrutiny for his longstanding links with Moscow, his closeness to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, and his recent willingness to allow his subcommittee to be used for Kremlin propaganda purposes

 

In response, the House Committee on Foreign Affairs has placed heightened restrictions on the trips abroad that he can take with committee money as well as the hearings he can hold through the subcommittee on Europe that he chairs.

 

When the California congressman made a pilgrimage this summer to see Assange, who is holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, he had to do it on his own dime. A congressional source told The Daily Beast that Rohrabacher had requested committee funding for the trip but was denied. The congressman’s staff confirmed that he ended up using his own money.

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Conspiracy against the US sounds awesome, but it’s in relation to tax fraud and money laundering charges. It’s not a crime akin to treason or the like.

This is a big deal. But it’s hardly the end. Hopefully it’s the beginning of the end.
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apologies if this is a repost...

 

This was linked to on another forum I frequent and I haven't validated it but it seems like the author did the leg work.

 

from reddit-

 

Quote:

From Kevin G Shinnick:

“I made a comment recently where I claimed that Republican administrations had been much more criminally corrupt over the last 50 plus years than the Democrats. I was challenged (dared actually) to prove it. So I did a bit of research and when I say a bit I mean it didn’t take long and there is no comparison.

 

When comparing criminal indictments of those serving in the executive branch of presidential administrations, it’s so lopsided as to be ridiculous. Yet all I ever hear about is how supposedly “corrupt” the Democrats are. So why don’t we break it down by president and the numbers?

 

Obama (D) – 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as “scandal free” they aren’t speaking wishfully, they’re simply telling the truth.

 

Bush, George W. (R) – 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.

 

Clinton (D) – 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence. That’s right nearly 8 yrs of investigations. Tens of millions spent and 30 yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.

 

Bush, George H. W. (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.

 

Reagan (R) – 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.

 

Carter (D) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.

 

Ford (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.

 

Nixon (R) – 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.

 

Johnson (D) – 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.

 

So, let’s see where that leaves us. In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That’s one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.

 

In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That’s more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren’t really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn’t found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford (and a pardon carries with it a legal admission of guilt on the part of the pardoned). So those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.

 

With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it’s a safe bet Republicans are gonna be padding their numbers a bit real soon.

 

So let’s just go over the numbers one more time, shall we? 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences. Those aren’t “feelings” or “alternate facts.”

 

Those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been for my entire lifetime, the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency.

 

So those are the actual numbers. Feel free to copy and paste!”

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/79b4z2/robert_muellers_office_will_serve_first/dp0khrf/?st=j9edax5g&sh=8346e471

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Ed Gillespie hasn't been very accommodating toward reporters through his super racist campaign for governor.  Now, a reporter has been roughed up really bad by a bunch of police officers for... swearing?

 

https://shareblue.com/shareblue-media-reporter-violently-arrested-while-covering-gop-nominee-for-virginia-governor/#.WfiXwk1K9IY.twitter

 

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After a brief back and forth, during which the police officer made clear that Stark would not be able to ask the gubernatorial candidate any questions at the public campaign event, Stark responded “f— this.” At that point, the officer moved to handcuff Stark.

 

The disturbing footage below shows a second officer sweeping Stark’s legs from underneath him, violently throwing him face first into the sidewalk. More officers ran over and five men piled onto Stark’s back as he begged to free his arm from underneath his own body and the weight of the police. Multiple witnesses report that Stark was punched repeatedly in the legs during the altercation.

 

Although the police officers claim in the video to be arresting Stark for swearing, citing county code 511, Stark was ultimately charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and released on a $3000 bond.

 

The video is disturbing, and it's at the link.

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Ed Gillespie hasn't been very accommodating toward reporters through his super racist campaign for governor.  Now, a reporter has been roughed up really bad by a bunch of police officers for... swearing?

 

https://shareblue.com/shareblue-media-reporter-violently-arrested-while-covering-gop-nominee-for-virginia-governor/#.WfiXwk1K9IY.twitter

 

 

The video is disturbing, and it's at the link.


Hopefully this puts a few more percentage points in Northam's column but I wouldn't count on it in VA.  We're very light blue, and like many states only because of the urban areas.  There's a LOT of "blue lives matter" types in the 'burbs and rural areas.

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I kind of feel like folks are somewhat missing the point/purpose of the Republican party over the last decade or two.  It is not a party that is defined by what it stands for.

 

It is a party that is defined by what it is against.

 

The Republican Party, in truth, is a cobbling together of disparate, unconnected groups who feel very passionately about a few issues that the Democrats are on the other side of the fence about.  The Republicans then pander to those groups by indicating they are against the Democrat's position.  It doesn't matter that these various positions are contradictory, counter-intuitive, or even that the aggregate is a negative towards a particular Republican voter.  The voter simply feels so strongly on that particular issue that taking the opposite position as the Democrats secures a vote, despite the bigger picture.

 

These issues include:

 

Abortion Rights

Gun Rights

Not Being Mean to Minorities

Immigration

A Black President

etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

I kind of feel like folks are somewhat missing the point/purpose of the Republican party over the last decade or two.  It is not a party that is defined by what it stands for.

 

It is a party that is defined by what it is against.

 

The Republican Party, in truth, is a cobbling together of disparate, unconnected groups who feel very passionately about a few issues that the Democrats are on the other side of the fence about.  The Republicans then pander to those groups by indicating they are against the Democrat's position.  It doesn't matter that these various positions are contradictory, counter-intuitive, or even that the aggregate is a negative towards a particular Republican voter.  The voter simply feels so strongly on that particular issue that taking the opposite position as the Democrats secures a vote, despite the bigger picture.

 

These issues include:

 

Abortion Rights

Gun Rights

Not Being Mean to Minorities

Immigration

A Black President

etc. etc.

 

You can kind of lump those three together, can't you?


Edited by Schwartz - 11/1/17 at 1:55pm
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I originally posted this over in the Trump thread....

 

post #3718 of 3758
I’ll have to say that I doubt there is any reason more nefarious than ‘progress is bad for us as an identity’ or, more succinctly ‘I got mine, fuck you (and get out if you have melanin)’. Because there are never cataclysmic world changing conspiracies of cabals seeking to change the fabric of things for anything other than selfish power. They do it because that’s all they know how to do at this point.
post #3719 of 3758

Already announced that Jeb Hensarling isn't running for another term in Congress, but now Lamar Smith is apparently stepping down as well.

 

https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/926167782160568320

 

Both longtime Texas Republican congressmen who probably could've stayed put for at least another decade have decided to get out while the goin's good.

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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

 

 

Both longtime Texas Republican congressmen who probably could've stayed put for at least another decade have decided to get out while the goin's good.

On one hand, great, on the other hand, I shudder to think of the wackadoos who'll take their place. I'm confident Texas will vote a rifle into office within 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
 

On one hand, great, on the other hand, I shudder to think of the wackadoos who'll take their place. I'm confident Texas will vote a rifle into office within 5 years.

 

That might be a good thing. Guns don't kill people. Legislation does.

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Republicans have conveniently gone quiet on Guantánamo now that a Republican is president:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/politics/republicans-guantanamo-military-commissions-civilian-courts-terrorism.html

 

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With that, the president appeared to put to rest, for now, the question of whether he will soon fulfill his campaign vow to refill the wartime prison at Guantánamo with newly captured “bad dudes.” His 10-month-old administration has yet to send any captives there, even as it has brought several foreign terrorism suspects to the United States for civilian prosecution.

 

Those moves have been met by relative silence from many Republicans who emphatically opposed the Obama administration for taking the same steps. The reticence signaled that they may be quietly abandoning their stance now that a president who is a member of their party has to govern, thus draining partisan disagreement from an issue that was deeply politicized during the Obama years.

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post #3724 of 3758
The report says the guy knew Paul so it will be interesting to hear what the motivation was.
post #3725 of 3758
Netflix and chill gone awry.
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Rand Paul wasn'tjust roughed up, he was hurt so bad he's staying away from work for a while:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/rand-paul-assault-injuries/index.html

 

Five broken ribs and bruised lungs? What the hell happened?!

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Good thing he has health care paid for by the government he hates.
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post
 

Rand Paul wasn'tjust roughed up, he was hurt so bad he's staying away from work for a while:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/rand-paul-assault-injuries/index.html

 

Five broken ribs and bruised lungs? What the hell happened?!


Report I read said the guy body-tackled him in his (Paul's) yard.

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
 


Report I read said the guy body-tackled him in his (Paul's) yard.

 

That makes some sense, Paul is tiny*.  If the other guy is fairly big, he'd get smushed.

 

*Google lists his height as 5' 8"  which I really doubt.

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The RNC has withdrawn support from Roy Moore, including cancelling money and field organizers.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/rnc-cuts-off-moore-244904


Edited by Dent6084 - 11/14/17 at 3:06pm
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Jon Swaine, writing for The Guardian:

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Roy Moore challenged the scope of an Alabama law that protects rape victims while serving as the most senior judge on the state’s highest court, according to a review of records.

As chief justice of Alabama’s supreme court, Moore twice argued that the state’s “rape shield” law should not prevent alleged sex offenders from using certain evidence about their underage accusers’ personal lives to discredit them.

The cases were among 10 between 2013 and 2016 where Moore dissented from the court’s majority and sided with alleged offenders who were appealing to the court as part of their efforts to overturn convictions or punishments for sexual crimes.

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Among Moore’s 10 dissents was the case of David Pittman, who had pleaded guilty to the rape of a 12-year-old girl. Moore in September 2015 said that Pittman ought to have been allowed to present evidence to court indicating that the girl had been sexually active and had a sexually transmitted disease.
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My goodness. That's certainly not suspicious.
post #3733 of 3758
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

Jon Swaine, writing for The Guardian:

 

How much more information will it take for Moore's supporters to realize that this guy is a piece of shit?

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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

My goodness. That's certainly not suspicious.

It's certainly the death of any defense of Moore that went along the lines of "it was a long time ago, he's a Christian now, he's not that man anymore," etc. The guy was trying to get rapists a break two years ago, and stopped because he was kicked off the bench.
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

It's certainly the death of any defense of Moore that went along the lines of "it was a long time ago, he's a Christian now, he's not that man anymore," etc. The guy was trying to get rapists a break two years ago, and stopped because he was kicked off the bench.

And yet Moore's still up 6 points among likely voters. What the fuck do you have to DO in Alabama to lose if you're a Republican, exactly?
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post


And yet Moore's still up 6 points among likely voters. What the fuck do you have to DO in Alabama to lose if you're a Republican, exactly?

Change parties and become a Democrat.

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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

And yet Moore's still up 6 points among likely voters. What the fuck do you have to DO in Alabama to lose if you're a Republican, exactly?
Be respectful to a minority?
Officiate a gay wedding?
Kneel during the anthem?
post #3738 of 3758
Believe in evolution. This business of refusing to agree on how you arrive at the truth, let alone what the truth is, has been America's trademark style of argumentation for generations now.
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Oh, 16 companies have pulled their advertising from Sean Hannity's show over the last week. Coincidentally, Hannity has now turned on Roy Moore, issuing him an ultimatum tonight that he has 24 hours to prove he's not a child molester. (The embedded Hannity video auto-plays, so adjust speakers accordingly).

The "prove a negative or else" bit is probably Hannity's way of making this swerve palatable to his core audience.
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

My goodness. That's certainly not suspicious.


But it doesn't matter, because God might have/probably forgave him and it's not my place to judge if it's a Christian white male, so he can still totally serve in Congress and would still be better than any baby-killing Democrat.

 

--Likely Alabama Voters

post #3741 of 3758
Even if Moore drops out, I wouldn't put it past the voters to write him in just to show that us librul snowflakes can't tell them who to vote for.*

*Assuming he can even be removed from the ballot.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Even if Moore drops out, I wouldn't put it past the voters to write him in just to show that us librul snowflakes can't tell them who to vote for.*

*Assuming he can even be removed from the ballot.


The ballot cannot be changed at this point, unless the election is moved, which the Alabama governor has said she will not do.

 

However, the Republican Party COULD officially say that Roy Moore is no longer part of them, and refuse to seat him in the Senate.  Unlikely they'll do it, though, and I think Moore would have grounds for a lawsuit if they did it AFTER he won the vote...so they'd need to do it right now.

 

Note:  This is more than just "severing fundraising ties."  This would be the Republican Party as a whole flat-out saying he cannot represent them because he's not one of them.  I don't even know what the procedure for something like that would be/who has the final say, but apparently it is a thing that's actually possible.

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The real step would be if the Alabama Republican party asks for him to be disqualified, in which case votes for him would not be counted even though he's still on the ballot (I don't know if this also applies to write-in votes?) But the state party is sticking by him so far, because fuck everything.
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Missouri is gearing up to defund a low income tax credit for housing:

 

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article185257478.html

 

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A tax credit program in Missouri for low income housing — one that’s popular with developers and also the subject of frequent criticism from Missouri politicians — is in peril.

 

The Missouri Housing Development Commission on Friday voted not to allocate $140 million in funding for the Missouri Low Income Housing Tax Credit Program. The tax credit offsets a percentage of tax liabilities for investors in low-income housing projects.

 

Friday’s decision was hailed by politicians, including Gov. Eric Greitens, as a way to save money on what’s often criticized as an inefficient program. Greitens under state law has a seat on the housing development commission.

 

“We zeroed out this failing program, and saved tens of millions of dollars,” Greitens said in a statement. “No. More. Giveaways.”

 

But developers lamented the outcome, saying without the state tax credit program, financing affordable and workforce housing becomes a difficult proposition.

 

Kelley Hrabe, owner of Prairie Fire Development Group, said his plans for an $80 million affordable housing project in downtown Kansas City are now up in the air if the state tax credit program is in jeopardy.

 

“It just won’t pencil out,” Hrabe said. “It’s just basic, fundamental math.”

 

Friday’s MHDC vote occurs as Congress is poring over two tax overhaul proposals that either restrict or eliminate federal historic tax credit programs. Kansas City is dotted with developments that involved historic tax credits and low income housing tax credits.

 

Kansas City leaders see the possibility of the two diminishing tax credit programs as a double-whammy for urban development.

 
 

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Sometimes a picture says it all:

 

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I brought up Republican Wes Goodman in the LGBT thread since he recently resigned after being caught having sex with a man in his office.  I bring him up here since a conservative pro-family group did nothing in 2015 when Goodman was accused of fondling an 18-year-old man at one of its events:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-a-conservative-group-dealt-with-a-fondling-charge-against-a-rising-gop-star/2017/11/17/b3b4b8da-c956-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_story.html

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An Indiana councilman has been charged with three counts of child molestation after allegedly assaulting two ten-year-old girls:

 

http://fox59.com/2017/11/17/investigation-underway-after-indianapolis-councilman-jeff-miller-accused-of-child-molestation/amp/

 

Quote:

Indianapolis City-County Councilman Jeff Miller is accused of molesting two children following a nearly month-long investigation.

 

Friday, three counts of child molesting, fondling or touching with child under 14 were filed against the councilman. The charges come after authorities conducted a search at Miller's home after reports of child molestation surfaced last month.

 

Marion County Republican Central Committee Chairman Jim Merritt said he accepted Miller's resignation Friday, and it will be effective on Monday.

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Democrats: "Should we or should we not ask Al Franken to resign, and also maybe Bill Clinton was kind of a dick"

Republicans: "OUR CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST WILL BLOT OUT THE MOTHERFUCKING SUN"
post #3749 of 3758

Eh, not that molesting children could possibly be any worse, but I don't think anything an Indianapolis city councilman does is going to have any effect on the party at a national level.

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One day, you're a former Trump campaign chair for Oklahoma introducing an anti-sanctuary city bill to "protect kids from trafficking."  The next, you're pleading guilty of child sex trafficking.

 

http://newsok.com/former-oklahoma-state-senator-has-agreed-to-plead-guilty-to-a-child-sex-trafficking-offense/article/5572707

 

Quote:

Former state Sen. Ralph Shortey has agreed to plead guilty to a child sex trafficking offense for offering to pay a 17-year-old boy for sexual "stuff" last March.

 

In exchange for his guilty plea, U.S. prosecutors have agreed to drop three child pornography counts against him.

 

His jury trial had been set to begin Dec. 5 in Oklahoma City federal court. He is now scheduled to plead guilty Nov. 30 instead.

 

https://shareblue.com/trump-campaign-chair-trafficked-kids-for-sex-after-accusing-immigrants-of-doing-the-same/#.WhIJwBDMnW4.twitter

 

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While all of that was going on, Shortey — an early supporter of Trump who would later go on to lead Trump’s state campaign —  maintained a very different life in public.

 

In February, Shortey introduced a bill that would cut funding to cities or counties that adopt sanctuary policies protecting undocumented immigrants. The legislation was put forth as a growing number of localities declared themselves sanctuary cities in response to Trump’s new immigration policies.

 

Upon introducing the bill, Shortey said the measure was needed because illegal immigration could lead to all sorts of bad things — like human trafficking.

 

“When you incentivize illegal immigration, you incentivize a lot of bad things,” Shortey told NBC affiliate 4-KFOR. “There’s a trail of death from Honduras to the United States of America, and the families are giving their children and others over to coyotes and to human traffickers.”

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