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post #1 of 340
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Awwwwww SHIT YEAH.

 

This is it. This is the big, badass American shit-kicker movie of the year. It gives the proper amount of respect and gravity to the story being told, but it's also tough, fierce and AAAAAAWESOME.

 

It's one of those movies with a billion mismatched actors with two lines each (Gandolfini! Kyle Chandler! Chris Pratt? Mark Strong! Grillo! Duplass? ADKINS!), but it belongs to Jessica Chastain, who plays a tough-as-shit operative who vows to hunt down Bin Laden from 9/11 to 2011. She's Sarah Connor, she's Tina Turner in Thunderdome, she's twenty Beckinsales-in-Underworld-sequels. She's absolutely incredible in this. Everyone complains about women in badass roles, because either they are shunted to the side in action/tough guy movies, or they're improbably gifted with magic kung-fu or something. THIS is one realistic shit-kicker tough chick.

 

Special kudos to Jason Clarke, having a great year, who is relentlessly tough and nasty in this as an American operative very much burned out on torture and illegal rendition. He disappears for huge periods of time, as the film goes from 2003, I think, until the end of the raid on Bin Laden's place.

 

This film does the right thing in putting politics FAR away from the actual action. There's a scene of Obama talking to 60 Minutes in 2008, saying America doesn't torture, and everyone just watching and silently shrugging. In a scene in 2004, a character essentially paraphrases Rumsfeld's "known unknowns" quote, and another operative is like, "What the FUCK are you talking about?" 

 

This takes "Act Of Valor" out behind the shed, knocks it's teeth in, and tosses it in a ditch to bleed out. It's two and a half hour of tense, no bullshit military operations, with no fat, and it's never boring.  Can't wait to see it again.

post #2 of 340

BE!  EXCITED!

 

B


E

 

EXCITED!

post #3 of 340

Thrilled to hear this knocks it out of the park.

post #4 of 340

^If that was a veiled FNM reference, than kudos!

 

Anyway, looking forward to this. So far it sounds like a movie you might use as a bookend with United 93 if you wanted to put together a compilation of movies dealing with 'the war on terror' from different angles.

post #5 of 340
Yes. Not that I had any doubt. Hope it's not another 3 years before Bigelow's next movie.
post #6 of 340
Yeah, this does sound somewhat similar to UNITED 93. Which is very, very good news.
post #7 of 340
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

^If that was a veiled FNM reference, than kudos!

 

 

If you were referring to my comment, it wasn't.  

post #8 of 340

Nah I was referring to McNooj's, which may or may not have being riffing on this.

post #9 of 340

Unfortunately no.  It was a Requiem for a Dream reference.  Though according to this link, I may have gotten it slightly wrong:

 

post #10 of 340

Fair enough!

post #11 of 340
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Originally Posted by Gabe T View Post

Awwwwww SHIT YEAH.

 

This is it. This is the big, badass American shit-kicker movie of the year. It gives the proper amount of respect and gravity to the story being told, but it's also tough, fierce and AAAAAAWESOME.

 

It's one of those movies with a billion mismatched actors with two lines each (Gandolfini! Kyle Chandler! Chris Pratt? Mark Strong! Grillo! Duplass? ADKINS!), but it belongs to Jessica Chastain, who plays a tough-as-shit operative who vows to hunt down Bin Laden from 9/11 to 2011. She's Sarah Connor, she's Tina Turner in Thunderdome, she's twenty Beckinsales-in-Underworld-sequels. She's absolutely incredible in this. Everyone complains about women in badass roles, because either they are shunted to the side in action/tough guy movies, or they're improbably gifted with magic kung-fu or something. THIS is one realistic shit-kicker tough chick.

 

Special kudos to Jason Clarke, having a great year, who is relentlessly tough and nasty in this as an American operative very much burned out on torture and illegal rendition. He disappears for huge periods of time, as the film goes from 2003, I think, until the end of the raid on Bin Laden's place.

 

This film does the right thing in putting politics FAR away from the actual action. There's a scene of Obama talking to 60 Minutes in 2008, saying America doesn't torture, and everyone just watching and silently shrugging. In a scene in 2004, a character essentially paraphrases Rumsfeld's "known unknowns" quote, and another operative is like, "What the FUCK are you talking about?" 

 

This takes "Act Of Valor" out behind the shed, knocks it's teeth in, and tosses it in a ditch to bleed out. It's two and a half hour of tense, no bullshit military operations, with no fat, and it's never boring.  Can't wait to see it again.

"Burned out on torture and illegal rendition?"  Sounds pretty political.  I'm sure the lefties will love the film.  Richard Corliss raved and used the review to rip Bush and Mitt Romney (of all people).  People on the coasts will flock to this and people in the heartland will stay home.

post #12 of 340
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"Burned out on torture and illegal rendition?"  Sounds pretty political. 

 

Because torture and rendition are occupational duties so enjoyable, the intelligence agents just can't get enough of it. It's like Ruffles: Bet you can't waterboard just one! 

post #13 of 340
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Will they? Who DOESN'T want to see Bin Laden take a bullet to the dome? If anything the hyper-left will stay home. The VERY FIRST SCENE is Jason Clarke shaking down a terror suspect, and he just CONTINUES to fuck that guy up on and off for the first twenty minutes. After all that, you start to get to know this guy and he's just like, "I can't let this monster eat me, I have to retire." After '04, I believe, he goes over to DC, does the suit-and-tie work.

 

I mean, it's a sticky subject. This movie is CLOCK-A-BLOCK with black site action. It's more that discomforting. But the movie doesn't gussy it up or decry it. It's where these guys do their work. This is a procedural. Everyone had a chance to judge the morality of this whole situation in real life. The movie is a chance to watch the nuts and bolts of deadly determined people. In the prism of reality, it's hard to look any of them in the eye. From within the movie? It's a fascinating portrayal of what's going on amongst the highest ranking at their positions.

 

This is beyond any hack partisanship, any bland moralizing. This is steely-eyed filmmaking, straightforward suspense sequences and whipsmart writing capturing what it looked like behind the scenes, where people are consumed with the job they have to do. These people have no flags to wave or policies to discuss, they have jobs to do.

post #14 of 340

The trailer and early word of mouth have me very stoked for this, although I really can't wait for the eventual behind the scenes stuff.  You're already in pre-pro on a film about the unfinished hunt for Bin Laden, and then we get the guy.  Talk about simultaneously hitting the jackpot, combined with the nightmare of having to scramble, completely alter your entire film, and basically start from scratch.

post #15 of 340
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From what I hear, they were struggling to get funding until we actually captured Bin Laden. And even then, they still needed the Hail Mary funding from Dame Megan Ellison. Which is what everyone should call her.

 

Amazing that Tom fucking Hooper can win Best Director and get $60-$80 million for a needless "Les Mis" adaptation when he doesn't even know where to put a camera, and a fucking MASTER like Bigelow can win the big award and have to rely on the DAME of Annapurna Pictures to shoot a movie about hunting the world's worst terrorist.

post #16 of 340

Well, we didn't really capture him, did we?

post #17 of 340
Thread Starter 

Well, there's your sequel.

post #18 of 340

I was excited about this movie already, but when I went to see Cloud Atlas the trailer played before hand and it was chilling. The booming musical cues, the last night vision shot of the Pakistan compound...needless to say it was the best 2 minutes of the 4 hours I was in the theater. 

post #19 of 340
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Well, there's your sequel.

 

Well I just mean, we killed him.

post #20 of 340

Gabe, what did you think of Hurt Locker?

 

Because I still remember that you raved about LOCK-OUT.

 

Ohohohoho

post #21 of 340
Thread Starter 

Hurt Locker was good. This is GREAT.

 

It's no Mirror, Mirror though.

post #22 of 340
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Well I just mean, we killed him.

 

Wait, WHAT?!?

post #23 of 340

This is one of my most anticipated movies of the year and so far it's getting raves.

post #24 of 340
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People on the coasts will flock to this and people in the heartland will stay home.

Yeah, I'm sure only liberal elites will want to see Osama Bin Laden blown to bits.

post #25 of 340
Being against illegal deprivation of liberty and torture is obviously a left wing thing. Oh wait. It is! Interesting how some "conservatives" in their zeal to retreat from the term 'liberal' will retreat from the fact their nation is Liberal in its foundation, ultimately. One wonders what they are conserving.

Aaanyway, is this film supposed to reflect the official version? As in: are they going to restage the raid as accurately as possible? I didn't think exactly what went on in there was public. It'd be interesting to see how they ended up shooting him. I sort of give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they did ideally want to haul his ass out of there (but it's a twitchy situation and they already lost a chopper etc). Perhaps I haven't been paying attention.
post #26 of 340
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Wait, WHAT?!?

 

Har-har-har, but really I was just objecting to post, up-thread, where the comment was made that we "captured" bin laden. I hate equivocating language. We killed him plain and simple and euphamising it is just a little ridiculous.

post #27 of 340
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Amazing that Tom fucking Hooper can win Best Director and get $60-$80 million for a needless "Les Mis" adaptation when he doesn't even know where to put a camera

 

Not that this is the Les Mis thread but yeah, this. Fuck Les Mis.

 

I'm seeing Zero Dark Thirty on the 5th. If it's half as good as early reviews say, it ought to wash the taste of Hooper's musical shit out of my mouth.

post #28 of 340

Start a Les Mis thread, damn you!

post #29 of 340
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Start a Les Mis thread, damn you!

 

I did! So there!

post #30 of 340

FYI

 

Interview with Kathryn Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal on Charlie Rose.

http://www.charlierose.com/

 

trivia moment- Andy (Chris Pratt) from Parks & Rec. plays a SEAL in this.

post #31 of 340

This is sounding gooood.

post #32 of 340

Is there a moment when a Navy Seal is about to be shot by Osama, when he goads him into a knife fight to the death, and then goes on to break Bin Ladens neck with his legs?

 

Really, I know it's kind of messed up, but who can't get behind seeing this monster get fucking murderized?  This is going to be a huge hit. 

post #33 of 340
Well Scott Adkins is in it, so I hope so.

Devin loved it. Said it's one of the films of the decade:

"Zero Dark Thirty is an incredible achievement for Kathryn Bigelow, an enormous leap forward as a filmmaker. It’s a high water mark for 21st century mainstream filmmaking. It’s a movie that’s going to cast a warm glow on the rest of the year, the rest of the decade. If we could get one big budget movie a year as smart, as good, as ambitious as

Zero Dark Thirty we’d be living in a new golden age of cinema."
post #34 of 340

Where did you get that quote?!  Badass hasn't run a review?

post #35 of 340

Last time I checked - 2 seconds ago - it was up there.  Fourth article down.

post #36 of 340
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

 

trivia moment- Andy (Chris Pratt) from Parks & Rec. plays a SEAL in this.

 

post #37 of 340

I know it was said as a joke, but I'm starting to believe there really is credence to the theory that Gabe T is, in fact, a time traveler. So tell us, Gabe, how's The Avengers sequel? The Batman reboot? Justice League? Transformers 10? The sequel to the reboot after the second sequel to the Spider-Man re-boot?

post #38 of 340
Thread Starter 

Guys, you're being stupid. I'm not a time traveler.

 

I'm a Highlander.

post #39 of 340
Gabe T of the clan McGabe.
post #40 of 340

Gabe, you are SO boned when you run into Ryan Reynolds and his Blade 3 bod and SICK quips...  Good luck bro. 
 

post #41 of 340
Thread Starter 

We've all mutually decided that Ryan Reynolds will not be canon, therefore he cannot harm us.

post #42 of 340

Are you sure?  He's 100 percent pure Canadian beef cake.  Better watch out, you don't want to clog yourself on all that BEEF.

post #43 of 340

Reynold's too busy boning Blake Lively to go McCloud.

 

Get real, people.

post #44 of 340

I unfortunately won't watch this for years due to political reasons that I won't go into...

 

Oh Fuck it. 

 

Bradley Manning is tortured and facing 20 years for leaking diplomatic shit to Wikileaks that "endangers national security" (Cause Obama says so)

 

Then Obama goes ahead and leaks everything about the raid to the Zero Dark Thirty crew and thats fine.  Fuck that.

post #45 of 340
Nothing was "leaked". That word means improperly distributing classified material. With Bin Laden's death, there were official accounts given to the public and information was declassified to allow the American people to better understand this historical event. The ZDT producers were allowed to interview people who were only ever authorized to disclose declassified info.

Since the three books we have that claim to use eye witness accounts, including one from a guy who claims to have taken the kill shot, all depict the final raid going down in drastically different ways, so who knows what the truth is, but what is certain is that the president never authorized a "leak" to the producers of this film.
post #46 of 340

Still, I have issues with this government keeping so much info classified (that shouldn't be) and other things open (that should be classified). BTW: The US government doesn't have an expectation of privacy, Government isn't a person.

 

My problems with the real life raid…

 

-It would have been more beneficial to national security to keep Osama alive and captured,

-They should have just sent a drone If they just wanted kill OBL. Drop a drone missile on the compound thus killing Osama and his wives and kids.

-Obama justifies sending in Seal Team Six cause he wanted there "To be no doubt that Osama wasn't still alive". (Yet he dumped the body in the Ocean and blocked the release of photos)

-I believe he just sent the team in there to get reelected.  He wanted to show that he is a badass motherfucker.  I believe that is bullshit.

 

I don't want to cause a thread derail, but it impossible to keep politics out of a war movie in my opinion.


Edited by Rourkefan - 12/8/12 at 7:15pm
post #47 of 340
Thread Starter 

Not all leaked information is created equal. That being said, the Bradley Manning situation is a somewhat complicated reason to do something as simple as boycott a movie. I hope you're doing the right thing and campaigning and writing to your representatives. If "Zero Dark Thirty" flops, no one's suddenly going to re-evaluate holding Manning in some black site somewhere.

post #48 of 340
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I also hate when movies like Jarhead have a character literally say "Fuck politics".  It lets the audience off the hook for being forced to think about the morality of war,

I should also say this is a MASSIVE can of worms that merits its own separate thread.

post #49 of 340

Alright guys I hate thread derails so I will talk about this on the politics thread.

 

Non-Political point.  Jessica Chastain has really awesome boobies in Lawless.  Agree or disagree?

post #50 of 340
Thread Starter 

Ah, I was really looking forward to you starting a thread about that.

 

But yes, she does have nice boobs.

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