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by Tim Kelly: link

Famous actor to take a Snikt! all over X-Men abbondanza.
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If I could somehow travel back in time to create an alternate timeline where fandom doesn't give a shit about timelines and continuity, and only cares that the best movies are made with the best teams and actors available at the time, we'd be living in the best timeline.

Right now, this absurd concern over timelines can only mean that we're living in the darkest timeline.
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While it's nice they got the big guns, I hope this means we see more of the fringe X-Men players return, like Blob, the weirdly silent Jubilee, and Nightcrawler. Also, this is a pretty great way to involve Gambit, should they decide to do so.

 

I appreciate that they're just getting silly with all this, basically.

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This means two things: Last Stand is getting the fuck retconned out of it, and Wolverine is going to send some giant tin men back to Oz...IN PIECES.

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Also, this is a pretty great way to involve Gambit, should they decide to do so.

 

Taylor Kitsch gotta eat!  Seriously though, I wouldn't mind them working Kitsch's Gambit back into the series, especially if they actually give him something to do.  I'd like to see Schreiber's Sabretooth in Fassbender's Brotherhood at some point as well.  Beyond that, let's shake shit up and get some cool B and C-level mutants we haven't seen before and STOP MAKING MUTANTS UP.

 

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This means two things: Last Stand is getting the fuck retconned out of it, and Wolverine is going to send some giant tin men back to Oz...IN PIECES.

 

Yes please to all!

 

I'm also interested in seeing how The Wolverine factors into all of this.

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I second that stop making mutants up please, there are hundreds and thousands of mutants to pick from in the comics, use them. I'm a tad sad that Hugh will be in, don't get me wrong, he's a sexy beast and he's done wonders for the series but I never was a huge Wolverine fan to begin with and hated how the first three movies ended up becoming no matter what "Wolverine and The X-Men". Spread the love around Singer. Hopefully, Cyclops actually gets to lead a bit this time around and they utilize a lot of cool new mutants that haven't gotten their time in the spotlight.

 

Edited to add: Oh yeah, I totally dug Taylor as Gambit as he and Lev were the best things going on in Orgins. Bring Taylor in for sure!

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Funnily enough, I won't be shocked in the slightest if the oft-mentioned X-Men 4 (if ever actually made) ends up being called Wolverine and the X-Men.

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You guys are going to get a movie in which Hugh Jackman Wolverine is going to go head-to-head with Fassbender Magneto. I don't care what gets retconned or what doesn't, that's awesome. 

 

And from the guy who made the best X-MEN movie. That would still be X2, BTW. 

 

All I need now is for Nightcrawler to come back.

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What mutants were made up? I do believe most mutant characters in these movies are either straight from the comics, or slight amalgamations of others.

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And from the guy who made the best X-MEN movie. That would still be X2, BTW. 

Right on, bub!

 

People probably think that porcupine kid was made up, because his power was so stupid, it seems too stupid even for comic books (which are of course known to have a lot of ludicrous stuff in them). I mean, with the endless mutants you can choose from with so many varied awesome powers, you go with a kid who kills people by sticking his face up to theirs? A kid who uses porcupine spikes in his face to stab them in the face? WTF?

 

P.S. I just looked the guy up on Wikipedia and apparently he can shoot spikes from all parts of his body, which is significantly less ridiculous than the guy in the 3rd X-Men movie.

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Yeah, I think that's supposed to be "Quill" from the comics, but I think the credits call him "Kid Omega," which is just... I mean, Brett Ratner.

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This is good news, but I wonder how many more of these Jackman has in him. Wolverine ages very slowly - Jackman, sadly, isn't a mutant.
 

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Stallone proves you can stay in shape well into your 60s. Make up and CG can iron out any wrinkles.
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I think one of the benefits of New Mutants is that they don't come with pre-fab story lines, or fan bases to freak out when they're used in a different manner than in the comics. Sure some X-Men are iconic, but sometimes you just need a red shirt to serve a function in the story, and the cleanest way to handle it is to write a character for those custom circumstances.

 

Well, as long as it's not this guy:

 

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Yeah, that guy and his scream-propelled flying was the only dud note of FIRST CLASS.

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In the movie's defense, while scream-flying makes no sense, Banshee can do that in the comics. I do like how some of those flying scenes at the end were done; people on wires instead of all CGI.
 

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Yeah, that guy and his scream-propelled flying was the only dud note of FIRST CLASS.

I don't think I've winced more than I did when the terrible-looking Cat-Beast walked out of the shadows, and Lucas Till gives that BEYOND PAUL WALKER line-reading of, "I think... Ihave... anewname for you... BEAST."

 

I wanted to HIDE MY FACE.

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All I need now is for Nightcrawler to come back.

 

Not gonna happen.  Bryan Singer and Alan Cumming hate each other.

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Elaborate please. What happened? 

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Not gonna happen.  Bryan Singer and Alan Cumming hate each other.

 

And the infamous throw out between Singer and Berry on set.

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Not gonna happen.  Bryan Singer and Alan Cumming hate each other.

 

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And the infamous throw out between Singer and Berry on set.

 

 

Come on, dish you guys!

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I don't know about Cumming and Singer (I always heard that it was because he hated the six hours of makeup it took), but with Berry it was that she didn't feel her part was big enough to really warrant her Oscar-caliber talents. She kept wanting Storm's part to be bigger, and got really diva about it. Singer kept checking her and refused her; if you notice, The Last Stand becomes the Storm and Logan show for large chunks of the film.

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I know Cumming hated the make-up process, but I wasn't aware of the spat.

 

As for Berry?  Good riddance.  Recast with someone far more deserving when the time comes. 

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Just after Singer was officially out of X-Men 3, Alan Cumming was asked about it:
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While many cast-members have been upset over Singer's departure, Cumming says that he's not too broken up: "No. I'm not disappointed; I cannot deny that. I think he's really talented and I'm very proud of the film and I think it's a great film. I didn't enjoy working with him on the film."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/01/31/alan-cumming-talks-x3
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If we ever get a legitimate X-Men 4 (or X-Men 3 Redux), the one choice Singer needs to keep intact from The Last Stand is Frasier Crane.  In fact, I'd love it if they brought Kelsey in as Beast's future counterpart for any dystopian action sequences.  Given that Boss has been canceled, he'll be looking for work anyway.

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You guys are going to get a movie in which Hugh Jackman Wolverine is going to go head-to-head with Fassbender Magneto. I don't care what gets retconned or what doesn't, that's awesome. 

 

And from the guy who made the best X-MEN movie. That would still be X2, BTW. 

 

This is gonna sound nutty, but on subsequent viewings, FIRST CLASS has surpassed X2 in my estimation.

 

Its existence owes everything to the work Singer already put in on the first two (very good) movies, of course-- but I find Vaughn's direction snappier, more dynamic, he handles an ensemble of minor characters (and their powers) better, and... well, it just feels more like the X-Men to me.

 

And if only FIRST CLASS had been a hard reboot and starred the original five X-Men, I wouldn't even have to feel embarrassed for liking it a hell of a lot better than X2.

 

That said, any movie that will reconcile the great FIRST CLASS with everything I liked about Singer's first couple of X-Men pictures-- mostly Stewart, McKellen and Jackman-- will make me a happy camper. I'm actually very optimistic about this.  

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I also understood that the openly-gay Cumming heard Brett Ratner was doing the third film and basically said, "No fucking way."

 

GOSSIP!

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This is gonna sound nutty, but on subsequent viewings, FIRST CLASS has surpassed X2 in my estimation.

 

Its existence owes everything to the work Singer already put in on the first two (very good) movies, of course-- but I find Vaughn's direction snappier, more dynamic, he handles an ensemble of minor characters (and their powers) better, and... well, it just feels more like the X-Men to me.

 

And if only FIRST CLASS had been a hard reboot and starred the original five X-Men, I wouldn't even have to feel embarrassed for liking it a hell of a lot better than X2.

 

That said, any movie that will reconcile the great FIRST CLASS with everything I liked about Singer's first couple of X-Men pictures-- mostly Stewart, McKellen and Jackman-- will make me a happy camper. I'm actually very optimistic about this.  

 

I like First Class quite a bit more than X2 and I don't feel bad about it at all.

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If FIRST CLASS was only about Xavier and Magneto it would be the best X:MEN movie, but half its running time is devoted to a bunch of lame up and comers who make the second-stringers of THE LAST STAND seem interesting by comparison.

post #30 of 71
I think the stuff with the kids in First Class is fun. Sue me. And I'd certainly take it over the hour or so we spend in Cerebro in X2.
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Xavier and Magneto are by far the best part of FIRST CLASS, though I do like the interactions between the kids too-- but God, what a weird collection of mutants to pick for the team (both by the filmmakers and within the story). I mean, Grant Morrison's Angel character? What the hell?

 

And Vaughn makes it all work somehow. It's a shame he's not returning for the next one, but like I said-- I'm optimistic.

post #32 of 71
I hate the stuff with the kid mutants First Class, and I think it sinks the film in many respects. It just looks like a demographic grab on the part of the producers, and the roles consist of bad characters played by bad actors. All those scenes are pretty limply directed as well.

Worse still because it forces you to think of the original script and how great it would have been to get a Fassbender centric movie rather than one that makes time for sub Twilight level pandering.
post #33 of 71

Eh. I think that's going a bit far... Teaching a bunch of young freaks to use their abilities for good is the original, core concept of the X-Men, and this is the first movie that really nailed that. I think the training montage is fantastic, for instance. 

 

Again, the movie's great flaw is that the kids aren't Scott and Jean and Hank etc. And I guess the actors could have been better. But you can't have everything.

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I don't mind the idea of young recruits: that's kind of part and parcel to the X-Men experience. They just picked the most random characters. It's like they literally just picked names out of a hat. And in a film that was missing many of the most beloved and iconic X-Men characters, that miscalculation was deadly for me. 

 

Agreed that Vaughn's direction was great, as was a lot of the film. That's why it's the second best X-Men movie. 

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I don't mind the idea of young recruits: that's kind of part and parcel to the X-Men experience. They just picked the most random characters. It's like they literally just picked names out of a hat. And in a film that was missing many of the most beloved and iconic X-Men characters, that miscalculation was deadly for me. 

 

I can definitely see how that really hurts the movie for a lot of people.

 

I'd be interested to know how they arrived at that particular group of characters, because it does seem totally random. Even if you don't go with the original five, there are hundreds of Marvel mutants, and more popular, interesting ones. Why the new Angel character who vomits fireballs and not, say, Dazzler? 

 

The world will never know.

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I hate the stuff with the kid mutants First Class, and I think it sinks the film in many respects. It just looks like a demographic grab on the part of the producers, and the roles consist of bad characters played by bad actors. All those scenes are pretty limply directed as well.
Worse still because it forces you to think of the original script and how great it would have been to get a Fassbender centric movie rather than one that makes time for sub Twilight level pandering.

I've read X-Men Origins: Magneto. First Class is much better.

I don't want to ruin it for you guys, but having a teen-friendly arc is hardly Twilight pandering. People complaining about that remind me of 40-year-old horror fans who complain that the genre is too 'teeny.' Well, yeah. And you fucking loved it when you were a teen.
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They're gonna have to radicalize the shit outta the past to sell this is for real.

 

Dead (young) Xavier and Fassbender's Magneto becomes X-Men's new leader.

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I like First Class quite a bit more than X2 and I don't feel bad about it at all.

 

 

"Do you have any idea how crazy you are?"
 
"You mean the nature of this conversation?"
 
"I mean the nature of you."
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I'm just not living in the fanboy haze of 2003.
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I'm just not living in the fanboy haze of 2003.

 

Fuck you for having opinions!

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I must have been living in a fanboy haze in 2003. Until Iron Man came out five years later, I considered X2 the best superhero movie around.

 

I saw FIRST CLASS in the theater and didn't really give it much weight. It was only after a couple of viewings on disc that I realized I liked it better than X2. And that came as something of a surprise to me.

 

For what it's worth-- I still love X2, and Iron Man is still the best superhero movie made so far, in my opinion.

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I think X2's a good superhero film, but it feels a bit half-baked. Scenes run on for too long. Characters are mishandled (S'up, mindwashed Cyclops?). Moments that should be exciting and building momentum manage to slow things down(Stryker's son manipulating Xavier in Cerebro).

It has lots of wonderful character moments, and the story at play is a very good one, but much of it feels... flat.
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Yeah. The character moments are mainly what sell X2 for me.* Because, frankly, the action beats in that picture are pretty ho-hum.

 

And Singer never did figure out how to use certain characters (like Cyclops) properly. There's also the problem that the comics have often had, having to take Xavier out of action for one reason or another, because he's just too powerful.

 

Vaughn managed to redress a lot of this with FIRST CLASS, which is why I like it better. Say what you will about the collection of mutants chosen, but they're all used to good effect. 

 

*ETA: I'm actually particularly fond of the interactions between Stryker, his son, and Xavier in X2... That Jason Stryker's astral self is a little girl is intriguing and creepy. And I love the Stryker scene that leads up to all that: "My son is dead! Just like the rest of you!" That's good stuff.


Edited by Slim - 12/2/12 at 12:30am
post #44 of 71

I thought there were a few very good scenes in X2, and the first two-thirds or so of the movie worked very well, but even at the time I thought the ending was a mess, and I'd probably give First Class the edge as well.

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Call me crazy to because I am also in the "First Class" is better than X2 crowd.  Actually I'd go as far as to say it's the best X-Men flick full stop.

 

Having said that their are elements of the Singer flicks I'd love to see return, so this is going to be a must see.

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The scene of Nightcrawler in the White House is a better action scene and a better depiction of a mutant using their powers than anything in FIRST CLASS. It's one of the best superhero action scenes still to this day. Also, the Wolverine/Deathstrike fight is aces. 

 

The climax of FIRST CLASS is only memorable because it uses the Cuban Missile Crisis as a backdrop. Nothing that happens action-wise during that battle is particularly dazzling. It's just a lot of mutants flying around. Although I love Magneto killing Kevin Bacon with the coin. 

post #47 of 71

Let's not forget the mansion attack being one of the best uses of multiple powers in different ways, and it drives the story.

 

And there's nothing in X2 as embarrassing as that finale on the beach. "No, it's cool, he only just put a bullet in my spine and paralyzed me for life, and I'm sitting here bleeding from the back, but it's cool, you two should go be evil together. I understand. It's fine."

 

I like First Class, but outside of Xavier, Magneto and Mystique it's woefully lacking in characters. I would've liked the First Class to actually be more than window dressing (and would it have killed them to get kids that might actually look period specific? Alex Summers looks like he dropped out of a 2011 Ambercrombie ad. None of them said "we're outcasts in the 1960s."

post #48 of 71
There's also nothing in X2 as 'awesome' as Magneto's revenge on Shaw.

X2's action scenes are quite good. Its character scenes are quite good. And yet there's a complete flatness to the movie that holds the film back.
post #49 of 71

I'd say both X2 and FIRST CLASS share a commonality in that they both have emotional beats in their climaxes that seem illogical and forced. In X2, Jean's sacrifice is a good beat, but it makes no sense that she would have to sacrifice herself in that manner. Iceman could have done something to stop the water, Nightcrawler could have bamfed her outta there -- there had to be some solution. They just wanted to get to the Dark Phoenix saga, and look where that got us. With FIRST CLASS it's the hamfisted "turning to the darkside" of Mystique and the others. Really? Mystique is going to turn her back on Charles, her best friend for most of her life, just because he doesn't think she should be blue all of the time? And right after he is shot??? It makes Mystique, a character I had really grown to like, into a total selfish asshole just for the sake of playing an emotional beat and for continuity fanservice. It's bullshit. here's hoping that DAYS OF FUTURE PAST can buck this trend. 

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The Mystique thing really bugs me because it could have been handled better. Have Magneto literally seduce her, for one. Don't wuss out on that. Then have a quick scene at the end where she leaves a note for Charles as he is convalescing a few weeks later. I still would have been pissed at her, but I could at least understand a teenager with a crush running off with cool bad-boy Magneto after she knows her friend will recover. 

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