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post #51 of 91
I thought Emma Watson was an alright suggestion, or someone similarly perceived by the public to be a bit of an innocent. The Journey of discovery of all that wickedness is more fun that way. Kunis already looks like an adventurous girl, same for Sharon Stone (who is too old anyway).
post #52 of 91
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Perhaps. But they'll also know that ’everyone' is never going to watch a movie about s&m, and watering down the main selling point might just turn off those that do. They have a built in audience - going all out to please them and trading off the ensuing controversy is riskier, but I bet could pay off even more if it captured the public imagination.

I hope they do because the us rating system, ghettoising anything too 'adult', is idiotic and a hit NC-17 movie would be a healthy blow against it.

 

Well it's Universal, watering down stuff is what they do.  This a studio movie, not a negative pickup from an indie.  Basic Instinct was basically as far as Hollywood would go with sex...and it wasn't even made by a studio!  That was Carolco's boundary pushing M.O. in the 80s and 90s and it paid off...Basic Instinct wouldn't have made $350M if it had been NC-17.  And I'm sure Universal is looking at big numbers like that for 50 Shades...probably bigger.

 

The problem with the NC-17 idea is that it might've worked in the 90s, before DVD and BluRay unrated cuts allowed studios to take advantage of a whole new revenue stream; enticing audiences with an even dirtier cut...If they released 50 Shades NC-17, there is nothing else to sell down the line, and you've already severely limited your theatrical take.  It's a lose, lose situation.  The marketplace simply doesn't allow that kind of thinking anymore.  So that writer is either smoking crack, or had a meeting with the studio that told her what she wanted to hear in order to get a script with everything in it, and they simply start snipping as they shoot and edit and bring it down to an R (which often happens anyway).  Like I said, they can still push a very hard R and not compromise too much.

 

Or she's not full of shit and Universal is really going to shoot themselves in the foot.

post #53 of 91

Anastasia Steele?!  Hahahahahaha what fucking drivel, my god.

post #54 of 91

That character name is absolutely heinous. Wow. I like the name Anastasia, but pairing it with 'Steele' sends the whole thing into the realm of absurdity.

post #55 of 91

 

This was just me five minutes ago. 

post #56 of 91

As least it's not Renesmee.

 

Now that's a really terrible name.

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post #58 of 91

A big studio can also more or less force the MPAA to give an NC-17 movie an R in ways an indie can't. They may put some stuff in there just to cut - some hardcore body double inserts or something that can be taken out - to say they made cuts for the R.

post #59 of 91
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I thought Emma Watson was an alright suggestion, or someone similarly perceived by the public to be a bit of an innocent. The Journey of discovery of all that wickedness is more fun that way. Kunis already looks like an adventurous girl, same for Sharon Stone (who is too old anyway).

 

When I was struggling to read the first piece of shit, I had Emmy Rossum in mind.

post #60 of 91
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When I was struggling to read the first piece of shit, I had Emmy Rossum in mind.

That's an excellent suggestion, Harley, and Rossum is someone who might considerably take the role since she's still a relatively unknown up and comer. If the source material were better I could see A listers being interested, but it's not so I think the tinge of tawdriness clinging to this project will definitely keep some actors away despite the fact this movie is near certain to make some money.

I have no ill will towards the 50 Shades phenomena. I know some kink inclined people who are all up in arms over the fact the book seems to be an outsider's perception of BDSM and in actuality is presenting women with a relationship that could be described as abusive. I can only think that the fact this is now in the main steam is a positive development and will serve to open minds, since I get the impression the book is a bit of a silly fantasy and not something people will take seriously as some sort of guidebook to kink. In the wake of 50 Shades, my sleepy small town library suddenly added a raft of kink centered material to it's shelves. I walked in the other day and a book called "Diary of a Submissive" was sitting prominently on the display where new books by Janet Evanovich, Robin Cook and other so called "chick" writers are usually found. So the success of this novel really is rather revolutionary in that sense.
post #61 of 91
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  and in actuality is presenting women with a relationship that could be described as abusive

 

Funny enough, you can say the same thing about Twatlight.  I shudder to think about what the popularity of the relationships depicted in these stories says about women today.

post #62 of 91
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Funny enough, you can say the same thing about Twatlight.  I shudder to think about what the popularity of the relationships depicted in these stories says about women today.


Twilight's status as novel for young adults - one moms read with their daughters - in particular makes it troubling. Bella Swann is the world's worst role model.
post #63 of 91
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That's an excellent suggestion, Harley, and Rossum is someone who might considerably take the role since she's still a relatively unknown up and comer. If the source material were better I could see A listers being interested, but it's not so I think the tinge of tawdriness clinging to this project will definitely keep some actors away despite the fact this movie is near certain to make some money.
 

 

The DaVinci Code is the worst piece of shit book I've read in a long time, but the $$ it pulled in helped land Tom Hanks and Ian McKellen for the film. I could see a Carey Mulligan type slumming for this. Very pleased that Emma Watson has the class to turn it down.

post #64 of 91

So is Fifty Shades as heinous as Twilight from a character perspective?  I know absolutely nothing about it save that it's a book filled with fucking.

post #65 of 91

I've never read the books but you've got to wonder how good they must be when their origins are as follows:

 

The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction originally titled Master of the Universe and published episodically on fan-fiction websites under the pen name "Snowqueen's Icedragon". The piece featured characters named after Stephenie Meyer's characters in TwilightEdward Cullen and Bella Swan. After comments concerning the sexual nature of the material, James removed the story from the fan-fiction websites and published it on her own website, FiftyShades.com. Later she rewrote Master of the Universe as an original piece, with the principal characters renamed Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele and removed it from her website prior to publication.[6] Meyer commented on the series, saying "that's really not my genre, not my thing... Good on her—she's doing well. That's great!"[7]

post #66 of 91
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So is Fifty Shades as heinous as Twilight from a character perspective?  I know absolutely nothing about it save that it's a book filled with fucking.

 

 

That's tough.  Both female protagonists are shitheads who get all moon-eyed over an abusive mess of a man.  Both mope and whine.  Both have their men completely take over their fucking pathetic lives.  This Christian guy is so controlling that he even decides what and when she fucking EATS.  But Anastasia doesn't get fucked unconscious, unless that happened later in the book after I gave up reading it.

post #67 of 91
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That's an excellent suggestion, Harley, and Rossum is someone who might considerably take the role since she's still a relatively unknown up and comer. If the source material were better I could see A listers being interested, but it's not so I think the tinge of tawdriness clinging to this project will definitely keep some actors away despite the fact this movie is near certain to make some money.
 

 

Another possibility. Anna Kendrick.

post #68 of 91
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I've never read the books but you've got to wonder how good they must be when their origins are as follows:

 

The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction originally titled Master of the Universe and published episodically on fan-fiction websites under the pen name "Snowqueen's Icedragon". The piece featured characters named after Stephenie Meyer's characters in TwilightEdward Cullen and Bella Swan. After comments concerning the sexual nature of the material, James removed the story from the fan-fiction websites and published it on her own website, FiftyShades.com. Later she rewrote Master of the Universe as an original piece, with the principal characters renamed Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele and removed it from her website prior to publication.[6] Meyer commented on the series, saying "that's really not my genre, not my thing... Good on her—she's doing well. That's great!"[7]

 

I see she's always had a knack for names.

post #69 of 91
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Another possibility. Anna Kendrick.

Good choice as well, Kendrick occurred to me too.
post #70 of 91

Don't tell me you guys are fancasting this movie?!

post #71 of 91
No apologies! biggrin.gif
post #72 of 91
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That's tough.  Both female protagonists are shitheads who get all moon-eyed over an abusive mess of a man.  Both mope and whine.  Both have their men completely take over their fucking pathetic lives.  This Christian guy is so controlling that he even decides what and when she fucking EATS.  But Anastasia doesn't get fucked unconscious, unless that happened later in the book after I gave up reading it.

Let's be fair; Secretary, rightly praised in this thread, also features a plot where the sub is instructed on what to eat by her Dom.
post #73 of 91

Yeah that's kind of a facet of that whole lifestyle.  It may be handled in a troublesome way in the book but in general things like that are gonna fall more in line with focusing on consent than general gender politics.

post #74 of 91

Fuck it.

 

UNIVERSAL PICTURES. PRESENTS

a MICHAEL HANEKE film

"FIFTY SHADES OF GREY"

WRITTEN by JOE ESZTERHAS and JK ROWLING

MUSIC by LADY GAGA

 

starring

 

KATHLEEN TURNER as ANASTASIA "ANA" STEELE

 

 

 

and WILLIAM HURT as CHRISTIAN GREY

 

post #75 of 91

See, I was thinking more like a Selena Gomez.  Maybe one of the Fannings.

 

We completely agree about William Hurt, though.

post #76 of 91
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Fuck it.

 

With the emphasis on "grey," I take it.

 

Personally, I always imagined Christian played by this virile specimen:

 

post #77 of 91
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I've never read the books but you've got to wonder how good they must be when their origins are as follows:

 

The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction originally titled Master of the Universe and published episodically on fan-fiction websites under the pen name "Snowqueen's Icedragon". The piece featured characters named after Stephenie Meyer's characters in TwilightEdward Cullen and Bella Swan. After comments concerning the sexual nature of the material, James removed the story from the fan-fiction websites and published it on her own website, FiftyShades.com. Later she rewrote Master of the Universe as an original piece, with the principal characters renamed Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele and removed it from her website prior to publication.[6] Meyer commented on the series, saying "that's really not my genre, not my thing... Good on her—she's doing well. That's great!"[7]

 

My God.  I had no idea.  This is amazing.

 

I need to take my Amy/Rory hardcore sex fiction and change the names.

post #78 of 91

As a Doctor Who fan, I beg you not to do that.

post #79 of 91

"A Drop On Pond."

 

It prints money.

post #80 of 91

Dark Shape, it's bad enough that you have a pic of The Doctor's douchiest moment as your avatar, but now you're bringing the Ponds into this filth?!

post #81 of 91
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The Fifty Shades trilogy was developed from a Twilight fan fiction originally titled Master of the Universe [7]

 

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100m opening weekend.

post #82 of 91
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Dark Shape, it's bad enough that you have a pic of The Doctor's douchiest moment as your avatar, but now you're bringing the Ponds into this filth?!

Come on, Harley -- don't you really want to know what Amy and Rory were doing in the honeymoon suite in A Christmas Carol?
post #83 of 91

NO.

post #84 of 91

1. Cameron is spot on about SECRETARY. Great little film that handles its characters with compassion, and the sub/dom aspect isn't exploitative. Spader and Gyllenhal play real people - real, broken people - who find someone else whose brokenness fits theirs. If you haven't seen it, get on that shit. PRONTO.

 

2. Every thread is better when Harley shows up and gives our assumptions a good what-for.

post #85 of 91

Secretary is one of my favorite relationship films, and it's responsible for what will probably end up being a life long appreciation for Spader and Gyllenhal. I was lucky enough to catch that film in theaters, back in the day.

post #86 of 91

Someone at work just brought in a copy of the official '50 Shades' album of classical music (ha). Included is the Goldberg Variations. I'm sorry, I can't hear that piece as anything other than music for Hannibal Lecter to kill people to.

post #87 of 91

This is awesome! http://badassdigest.com/2013/05/10/joe-wright-may-go-porny-with-fifty-shades-of-grey/

 

If this turns out to be true this film will move right to the top tier of my most anticipated films list. 

post #88 of 91

Jesus Christ no. What an absurd waste of his talent.

 

He should be directing the next Bond, not this.

post #89 of 91

I wish David Cronenberg lobbied for this job and cast Rob Pattinson/Emma Watson.

post #90 of 91
I'd love to see Joe Wroght do Bond, but if not Bond, then this would be a cool alternate project.
post #91 of 91

Wright's already been nixed due to a scheduling issue.

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