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post #51 of 109

That's the rub Hartford, I can tell you care enough about Kong to argue that the Jackson Kong was a 'Radical Redesign.'

 

But you don't really care how Godzilla looks, so the 98 design works for you, and that's fine.  For anyone who cares about Godzilla, it's an abomination.

 

Godzookie was a better Godzilla.

post #52 of 109
I am definitely not a huge Godzilla fan compared to some people. I enjoyed a few of the films growing up, I saw one in particular several times over since I owned the video, and like the basic idea of the character, especially the Iguana origin as shown in the film from the late 90s - the only Godzilla I've seen in theaters.

My preference for the Godzilla redesign is just the fact I don't really like the design of the original Godzilla. That's not a slam on the franchise, I just like other lizard monster designs more, and my Godzilla appreciation is casual enough that I can envision other Godzillas without feeling that it's a betrayal of the character.

My feelings on Kong are sort of the same. I enjoyed King Kong growing up and even saw the 1976 version. From a pure monster design perspective, I just think the original Kong is more effective. If Jackson's Kong had had a better design I'd like to think I would give that film credit.

I am a *huge* James Bond fan and have posted about my love for that character a lot on this board, but I have also gone so far as to say I could not only imagine a non white Bond, I could imagine a non British Bond (as long as he is not American) and that is something many other 007 fans can't abide.

So I think I am being fair to Godzilla to say I liked the more recent incarnation of the character more than the original man in suit design - however I can certainly understand how people with stronger feelings on the matter than I possess could feel that there is a 'right' way to do the character, but I like to think I am equal opportunity when it comes to new takes on various franchises. There are few properties I consider so sacred they couldnt use a good shaking up now and then.
post #53 of 109

The reason the Gojira suit is so impressive is that it's like nothing seen in nature. Even the Japanese name "Gojira" literally means something like "Gorilla Whale", highlighting the unknown nature of the beast. The movies try to gloss this over by pointing to Dinosaurs (the 2000's G vs. King G had Godzilla as a mutated T Rex!) but that monster rearing its' head over the hilltop in Gojira is something primal, terrifying and new. The original film makers designed a creature that was the product of the Atomic Age, with scarred, scabrous skin, those dorsal spines, and most of all the fierce expression on his face.

 

Even when Godzilla became a kidee superhero he had a unique look. You just know there weren't any Dinosaurs like this running around, ever.

 

The 98 Godzilla is literally just a big Iquana, period. The only menace in the Emmerich film comes from the incompetent military constantly blowing shit up because they can't aim, and "Godzilla In Name Only" somehow laying a billion eggs without getting pregnant.

 

Nope, I think Toho had the best and Final word on the relative merits of the Japanese and American Godzilla's:

 

post #54 of 109

This is now in Focused Film Discussion. Not to derail but a quick show of hands, how many people use the new posts page to keep track of threads? Found it works best for me.

 

Back on point, for anyone interested, wrote about GINO today:

 

http://www.chud.com/123251/a-movie-watching-life-godzilla/

post #55 of 109

Do you mean the Recent Chud.com Community Activity page? I do use that but I actually go through the normal forums pages one at a time throughout the day to see which to see which threa activity is happening at the moment if that helps.

 

I'm right there with you on the GINO disappointment. That teaser fucking killed when I first saw it. Watching the movie in theaters, when it turned into a Jurassic Park raptor wannabe toward the end a part of my early teen years died inside. 

 

post #56 of 109

 As a kid I was more into Godzilla than Star Wars. For me GINO is a bigger disappointment than the prequels.

post #57 of 109
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This is now in Focused Film Discussion. Not to derail but a quick show of hands, how many people use the new posts page to keep track of threads? Found it works best for me.

I almost never use it, because the last time I did I got some heavy spoilers.

 

 

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Back on point, for anyone interested, wrote about GINO today:

 

http://www.chud.com/123251/a-movie-watching-life-godzilla/

This was pretty great.  I was 17 when that came out, and had a pretty similar reaction, minus the milk trick and plus girls.

 

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 As a kid I was more into Godzilla than Star Wars. For me GINO is a bigger disappointment than the prequels.

I think this was a good buffer for the disappointment of the prequels.  We had already seen what could happen when a movie we expected to be great turned out to be crap.  I had a similar reaction to both, thinking they were good because I wanted them to be, even buying the VHS, then finally admitting they were terrible.

post #58 of 109
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This is now in Focused Film Discussion. Not to derail but a quick show of hands, how many people use the new posts page to keep track of threads? Found it works best for me.

 

I pretty much always go forum-to-forum.

post #59 of 109
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Lex Luthor has no ties to Superman: he's just a crazy scientist who is 1) jealous of Supe's power and/or 2) a xenophobe who hates an alien being becoming a pseudo- role model for Humanity.

post #60 of 109

What were we talking about?  Oh right, Godzilla.

 

I don't care how many monsters are in the movie, as long as they all have personality.  In every way.  From design to execution.  I doubt they're going to go this way, but I would love if each monster was a different MoCap'ed actor.

 

And please please please no Neville Page designs.

post #61 of 109
And keep Patrick Tatopoulos far, far away.
post #62 of 109
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And keep Patrick Tatopoulos far, far away.

 

I'm sensing you don't like giant iguanas.

post #63 of 109

Everything that has come out recently (especially the Darabont interview) isn't really putting my fears about this film to rest.

post #64 of 109

The interview didn't raise any red flags for me, the director is still the one giant red flag.  I don't think Ennis can create likable characters.

post #65 of 109

I really hope the new Godzilla isn't yet another...Monsterous failure in the US!  I think going serious is the wrong approach.  Also, I do not care about Darabont, or how the film...Isn't Campy!  Why avoid the more successfull...Campy Godzilla films in favor of a more serious version.  I hope there isn't any BS that Godzilla cannot breathe fire, as real creatures do not do that.

post #66 of 109
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I really hope the new Godzilla isn't yet another...Monsterous failure in the US!  I think going serious is the wrong approach.  Also, I do not care about Darabont, or how the film...Isn't Campy!  Why avoid the more successfull...Campy Godzilla films in favor of a more serious version.  I hope there isn't any BS that Godzilla cannot breathe fire, as real creatures do not do that.

 

 

I thought GMK had a good balance between serious and fun. I hope the new film goes for that approach.

post #67 of 109
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I thought GMK had a good balance between serious and fun. I hope the new film goes for that approach.

I think GMK is the 2nd or 3rd best Godzilla movie, no joke.

post #68 of 109

  GMK is my favorite. I'd like to see the tone of this movie be like the 90s Godzilla flick like Godzilla vs Ghidorah and Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla. They took the material more seriously, but they where still fun. I don't know if the serious tone of the first Godzilla can be done again. That movie is really influenced by the times in came out in. Hopefully they can pull it off.


Edited by Chaz - 1/28/13 at 12:27pm
post #69 of 109

But the part where the giant and his giant baby show up was just silly...

post #70 of 109
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I don't know if the serious tone of the first Godzilla can be don again. That movie is really influenced by the times in came out in.

Part of me wonders this too.  Of all things, I think the tone will be the make-or-break aspect of this film.

post #71 of 109

Darabont seemed okay with his script for The Blob, but that was a long time ago.

post #72 of 109

That Blob remake was awesome! It was wild gory fun ride. It was truly Kevin Dillion's finest hour.

post #73 of 109

Still can't believe it was released with a PG rating too!

 

Did you know there was a legal battle going on with some producers on the Legendary Godzilla project?  I didn't:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-decide-godzilla-producer-dispute-415492

post #74 of 109

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A possible design for Godzilla. I would lose the outer most row of plates, but I like it.

post #75 of 109

Looks like Biollante on the left side of the drawing.

post #76 of 109

Not a chance, that has to be fan art.

post #77 of 109
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Still can't believe it was released with a PG rating too!

 

Oh, not in America it wasn't. That shit was R-rated.

 

 

 

Saw it on cable a few years later, freaked me out good.

post #78 of 109

Some cool Godzilla concept art:

 

post #79 of 109
Ugh, awful
post #80 of 109

Looks like an augmented version of the Devlin/Emmerich beastie.

 

Pass.

post #81 of 109
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Looks like an augmented version of the Devlin/Emmerich beastie.

 

Pass.


I believe it's concept art from Godzilla 1998, which happens to be my favorite iteration of the monster.

post #82 of 109
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I believe it's concept art from Godzilla 1998, which happens to be my favorite iteration of the monster.

 

Well, it's my least favorite rendition of the monster, Emmerich's creature is so far removed from any version of Godzilla that to call it Godzilla at all is almost laughable. It's like if you made a version of Spider-Man where instead of being a geeky, uncool teenager who learns about the meaning of personal responsibility, he was in fact a cool, rebellious loner with a mean streak who rides a skateboard and learns nothing much at all.....wait..............damn.

 

But I'm excited for this new Godzilla though, especially if they maintain the Godlike, romping, stomping, badass force of nature that is the Godzilla of 28 Toho movies. 

post #83 of 109
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Some cool Godzilla concept art:

 

If Madonna were a giant lizard, those would be her arms.

post #84 of 109
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I believe it's concept art from Godzilla 1998, which happens to be my favorite iteration of the monster.

 

post #85 of 109
I like the posture seen in this concept art, but prefer the arms and head we got in the movie. I think the alternate look at the armor plates seen in that image is worth examining. On a sleeker more agile Godzilla, those sorts of spikes would be cool I think.
post #86 of 109

It makes me want to wash my eyes with bleach.
 

post #87 of 109

That Godzilla pic I posted was on Gareth Edward's Godzilla facebook page. They are working out what the design will be.

post #88 of 109

I do not envy that task. Just nothing 'sleek' or 'lithe' please.

post #89 of 109

Chaz, I hope...This Godzilla will Breathe Fire and not look like an...Iguana, that lays eggs.  Really, It shouldn't be that hard.  I hope they don't try to go so far from Toho's...Classic Godzilla, that the Big G, looks...Worse, than Emmeryechs version.

post #90 of 109
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That Godzilla pic I posted was on Gareth Edward's Godzilla facebook page. They are working out what the design will be.

Weird, it looks amateurish. The Godzilla 98 concept looks like something from Mark 'crash' McCreary, and as far as I know, he's not working on the project.

 

Kaneko's version but with normal eyes, would be my pick. Second would be Heisi, then the vs. King kong design. I like thunder thighs for some reason.

post #91 of 109

Lots of pictures of alternate Godzillas out there, some test sculpts, some fan work,  some garage model kits?

post #92 of 109
The first two are models of versions from existing films - first looks like the GODZILLA 2000 design, second is from GMK.

Not sure where the third is from, but it's not bad. Fourth is Stan Winston's design from a pre-Emmerich American version that was in development way back. I like it, it's a shame that version wasn't made.

I'm not a fan of most of the Millenium series designs because the necks, heads, and spikes are all way over-designed in a "Godzilla... to the EXTREME!!!" kind of way, and are to dragon and cat-like. The major exception is that GMK suit. It's one of my favorite Godzilla looks, aside from the lack of pupils (and I understand why they did that for that version). I don't mind the thunder thighs at all - the design has a mountainous quality that I like, but feels more agile than the bulky Heisei suits. Those look great sometimes but in addition to being a bit too bulky sometimes also look a little too cat-like from certain angles. Also the one thing I like for a contemporary Godzilla that the Millenium films did was make him a little hunched, though I definitely want him mostly walking upright, not like a T-Rex.

That possible concept art posted earlier is okay but has the same way over the top, excessive dorsal plates as the Millennium films. Really hope they tone that element down for the final design. Also: don't make the lower jaw too thin, and no big ears, excessive fangs, or weird overly sculpted neck musculature.
post #93 of 109
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post #94 of 109
I like the skull shape and faces on these two marine iguanas (if you try to imagine them with mutant armor plates growing out of their backs, they're very Godzilla like). I'd give them a more menacing brow line but otherwise I think the faces are believably lizard in origin yet also expressive:

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post #95 of 109

Those are neat looking critters Hartford! But, they're not a good Godzilla design. They would make a solid inspiration for a new Baragon, Angilas, of Varan.

 

You have tho understand, only in the 98 version is Godzilla a mutant iguana, and that's the version that is least respectful to the character.

post #96 of 109
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I like the skull shape and faces on these two marine iguanas (if you try to imagine them with mutant armor plates growing out of their backs, they're very Godzilla like). I'd give them a more menacing brow line but otherwise I think the faces are believably lizard in origin yet also expressive:

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Varan, yes. Godzilla....NEVER!

post #97 of 109
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Those are neat looking critters Hartford! But, they're not a good Godzilla design. They would make a solid inspiration for a new Baragon, Angilas, of Varan.

You have tho understand, only in the 98 version is Godzilla a mutant iguana, and that's the version that is least respectful to the character.

No problem, there are a lot of cool designs out there and we can't all agree on which ones are best. I am glad you think they'd still make for cool monster faces even if not for Godzilla himself. I know that the iguana origin is disputed among fans, but I actually looked at several dozen pages of lizard picture search results before choosing those two as my ideal Godzilla faces. Amazingly enough they just happened to be marine iguanas. Maybe that is because I grew up in the 90s having seen Godzilla in theaters, and that film helped inform my own conception of the ideal godzilla in a way that is different from those who had a stronger connection with the original films. I watched several Godzilla movies growing up, but seeing the Emerich film on the big screen was a particularly memorable experience for me.
post #98 of 109

The second one totally looks like Varan.

post #99 of 109

The experience was memorable for me as well. One of the most DISAPPOINTING viewings of my life (due to love of the property and expectations from teasers). I also felt SHAME afterwards for dragging my then-fiance (now wife) to it opening day. Movie should have been called GIANT BLUE IGUANA and I probably would have enjoyed it. GYNO.

post #100 of 109
AICN says Brian Cranston and the third Olsen sister are in talks to appear in the film. I hope he is the developer of this entries 'oxygen destroyer'.

When reached for comment, Matthew Brodrick said, "But they're not from The Simpsons!"
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