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post #1 of 28
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My last post about The Clone Wars was in the television thread (I think), so if this needs to be moved, mods, please do so.

 

GAH.  I still can't understand why more Chewers aren't watching this!!!  The last episode, "The Lawless" , was FUCKING EPIC. 

 

Mandalore in civil war.  Obi-Wan on an un-approved solo mission to rescue the rightful leader (and his not-really love interest, the Duchess even though we all know he and Qui-Gon are OTP).  Maul setting a trap for Obi-Wan.  And HOLY SHIT Sam Witwer's vocal performance of Maul is SPECTACULAR. 

 

Palpatine leaving the haven of Coruscant to confront his former apprentice as Darth Sidious - the first time in 5 seasons that he truly reveals himself to unleash hell on Maul.

 

Some of the best action sequences in the saga.  Delightful references (in lines and action) to the Original Trilogy. 

 

Honestly, this last episode of The Clone Wars was 22 of the best minutes in Star Wars since 1977.  How is it that more of you aren't watching?  Forget the shit Clone Wars movie.  Seasons 1 and 2 were inconsistent.  3 was better, 4 reached a new level, and 5 has elevated the series to something truly special. 

 

If you still love Star Wars....hell, if you just love great action and stellar animation (the improvements from season 1 to 5 are remarkable - it's like an entirely different show), you should be watching this. 

 

It's fan-fucking-tastic.

post #2 of 28

I am totally burned out on Star Wars stuff right now. But i agree that CLONE WARS is a great series.

 

Interestingly enough, its the episodes that focus on the villians are the best. The Nightsisters Trilogy (with Ventress) is truly awesome. Also the scenes where Dooku first trains Savage.

 

The Maul vs Sidious fight is great.  But i liked the Maul vs Death Watch Leader fight in the previous ep better.

post #3 of 28

I've given a try a few times, but I just can't bring myself to care about the prequel era. I just zone out midway through the episode.

post #4 of 28
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I might be the only Chewer who really loves The Clone Wars.  Yes, the hand-drawn series was great, but the CGI series has some of the Greatest Moments in Star Wars since Empire.

 

I'm currently in mourning over the cancellation of the series, but there's little point in going into that if no one cares.  (Not being obtuse, just realistic...the series hasn't gotten much love here.)  That said, there's some interesting stuff to be said about Disney's decision to abandon a series that is generally beloved by fans.

 

Anyway, in one last-ditch effort to persuade you cynical Chewers that the cancellation of The Clone Wars is, in fact, a big loss, check out this clip from the premiere of this past season. 

 

Why should you watch?  Well, there's...

 

  1. The fantastic animation.
  2. The incredibly violent death of an established EU character.
  3. A suitably epic score.
  4. The presence of fan-favorite Hondo, the pirate (Maul:  You will be punished for your insolence!  Hondo:  Insolence?!  We're pirates, we don't even know what that means!)
  5. OBI-WAN KENOBI, ladies and gentlechewers, AS A TOTAL BADASS MUTHAFUCKA. 

 

I totally fangasmed at 2:30.  Enjoy.

 


Edited by CDI F. Kelly - 3/25/13 at 11:12pm
post #5 of 28

I quite like what I've seen of the show (So far, bits of Seasons 1 & 2 and all of Season 3) - it certainly ranks alongside the second season of the Tartakovsky Clone Wars show as the best storytelling of the Prequel era. However, I see the logic behind Disney wanting to establish a 'clean slate' and put a capper on the Prequel stuff - I do hope though that they get Dave Filoni involved somewhere because he's done an excellent job.

post #6 of 28

So the final episodes are going up on Netflix on March 7th.  Their also putting previous seasons up.  Looking forward to this.  I never faithfully watched this, but the random episodes I caught (usually premieres and finales) were always entertaining.

post #7 of 28
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So the final episodes are going up on Netflix on March 7th.  Their also putting previous seasons up.  Looking forward to this.  I never faithfully watched this, but the random episodes I caught (usually premieres and finales) were always entertaining.

Apparently, some of the episodes will be "director's cuts," and they're also showing the 2008 feature film as well. From the press release I read:

 

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Netflix will be the exclusive U.S. subscription television service for first-run, live-action and animated movies from the Walt Disney Studios including titles from Disney, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar Animation Studios, Marvel Studios, Disneynature and Lucasfilm beginning in 2016.

Is it safe to say that 2016 will be the year that Netflix crushes the rest of the competition?

post #8 of 28

So, count me in the burnt out on Star Wars crowd when this show originally ran.  I caught a couple of 1st season episodes which only cemented in my mind that Lucasfilm had turned it's back on OT fans in favor of making light disposable entertainment for 5 years olds and victims of massive head trauma.

 

Now they're on Netflix, and with the (hope?) of a new trilogy coming out, I decided to check out 'The Clone Wars' starting with season 3.  I just skipped seasons 1 and 2, since most people seem to agree they are weak.  

 

Wow, this series is grim.  It's unflinching and emotional in a way Lucas' prequels couldn't even begin to give a shit about being.  I actually care about these characters the way they are written in a cartoon.  It also really picks up on the Saturday matinee "Space Adventure!" vibe in a way the original films did, but the prequels managed to miss.  

 

Favorite elements I think really make this worth watching:

 

The Death Watch Manadorians

Hondo the pirate

The familiar bounty hunters who pop up from time to time, but really aren't overused

Interesting alien creatures

The space ship designs

Unflinching violence.  The bad guys act like bad guys, by, you know, killing people

The political shit isn't crammed down our throats.  Instead it's used in a very Original Trilogy-like way as a back drop.

Anakin and Obi-wan have more believable chemistry as friends than they ever did in the films.

When a setting shows up that looks like a Ralph McQuarrie painting come to life.

The animation quality in seasons 4, 5 and 6.  This is 99% feature film quality animation.

 

Not all the episodes are winners, and some story arcs can be completely skipped, but the ones that work, really work.  Way more than you'd expect for a cartoon series based on a seemingly creativity-bankrupt franchise.

 

I'm looking forward to "Rebels" the replacement series, and hoping it's able to continue the quality of this show.

post #9 of 28
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So, count me in the burnt out on Star Wars crowd when this show originally ran.  I caught a couple of 1st season episodes which only cemented in my mind that Lucasfilm had turned it's back on OT fans in favor of making light disposable entertainment for 5 years olds and victims of massive head trauma.

 

Now they're on Netflix, and with the (hope?) of a new trilogy coming out, I decided to check out 'The Clone Wars' starting with season 3.  I just skipped seasons 1 and 2, since most people seem to agree they are weak.  

 

Wow, this series is grim.  It's unflinching and emotional in a way Lucas' prequels couldn't even begin to give a shit about being.  I actually care about these characters the way they are written in a cartoon.  It also really picks up on the Saturday matinee "Space Adventure!" vibe in a way the original films did, but the prequels managed to miss.  

 

Favorite elements I think really make this worth watching:

 

The Death Watch Manadorians

Hondo the pirate

The familiar bounty hunters who pop up from time to time, but really aren't overused

Interesting alien creatures

The space ship designs

Unflinching violence.  The bad guys act like bad guys, by, you know, killing people

The political shit isn't crammed down our throats.  Instead it's used in a very Original Trilogy-like way as a back drop.

Anakin and Obi-wan have more believable chemistry as friends than they ever did in the films.

When a setting shows up that looks like a Ralph McQuarrie painting come to life.

The animation quality in seasons 4, 5 and 6.  This is 99% feature film quality animation.

 

Not all the episodes are winners, and some story arcs can be completely skipped, but the ones that work, really work.  Way more than you'd expect for a cartoon series based on a seemingly creativity-bankrupt franchise.

 

I'm looking forward to "Rebels" the replacement series, and hoping it's able to continue the quality of this show.

 

I have heard that

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Darth Maul

returns. Is that as pointless as it sounds or really as badass as every fan of the show keeps telling me?

post #10 of 28
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I have heard that

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Darth Maul

returns. Is that as pointless as it sounds or really as badass as every fan of the show keeps telling me?

Yes, it's true.  It isn't pointless.  His story unfolds over several episodes and it's actually pretty good.  

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Your opinion of badass may vary, but I really liked the stuff where he puts together a crime empire and tries to take over Mandalore.  There is good character stuff here, and better use of Palapatine than in any of the prequels.
post #11 of 28

I started watching this when it popped up on Instant, and... it's actually pretty good. I have some problems with it, but it manages to take much of what the prequels tried to accomplish and makes them look even more foolish. Even the episodes where there's no action and nothing but politics are well done and interesting.

 

But Anakin having a padawan is a terrible idea, and just doesn't make logical sense. They avoided having Ahsoka become an annoying character, and I actually like her quite a bit. But brash, disobedient, arrogant Anakin training another Jedi is something that even the half-blind Jedi Council wouldn't ever allow.

 

Still, they managed to make Anakin a likeable, albeit flawed hero, which is probably the biggest failure of the Prequels.

post #12 of 28

Did you watch the CLONE WARS movie beforehand?

post #13 of 28

No, I've never seen the movie. Does it explain why Anakin has a padawan, instead of Obi-Wan, or Plo Koon (whom is best buds with Ahsoka)?

post #14 of 28
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No, I've never seen the movie. Does it explain why Anakin has a padawan, instead of Obi-Wan, or Plo Koon (whom is best buds with Ahsoka)?

 

Yes.

 

Of course in hindsight having Anakin as a role model wasn't Yoda's best idea ever. That and the whole celibacy thing. You just know that Yoda instituted that because his girlfriend broke up with him because of her parents didn't want her boning  "Kermit the Frog's retarded cousin".

post #15 of 28

For me, this show is the basest Star Wars fix.  I just finished watching the series last night.  The good elements are probably equalled by the bad.  There's too much wheel spinning and there are some fugly character designs (Anakin being a prime example). There's a four episode story of droids on a mission that's one or two episodes too long.  But there are some interesting scenarios, some fun, and some occasionally adding a little depth to the universe.  

post #16 of 28

That arc with the personifications of the Force was very heavy-handed and hokey. One of the main reasons I stay away from lots of EU stuff, aside from the occasional video game.

post #17 of 28

Got to the end of Season 5.  

 

I'm finally seeing the show live up to the praise I've heard about it.

 

It finally got to the point where they seem to be able to play for keeps relative to the constraints the prequel trilogy put on it.  

 

I even enjoy the cutesy droid episodes.  

post #18 of 28
I'm new to the show and just started bingeing. Having some trouble with the dissonance of Anakin's character. Every time he has a funny scene with Obi Wan or Ahsoka I keep thinking "He's going to murder you all." I don't know if I can get behind 6 seasons of "Wasn't Hitler Cute". Every time I see Jedi Master X and a squad of troopers I yell "Execute Order 66!"
post #19 of 28
Yeah I had a similar sensation watching the series early on. But keep with it. It will eventually address that stuff.
post #20 of 28
I like that in private scenes between Anakin and Padme he acts like a crazy person.
post #21 of 28
Half way through season 2. The show is wildly inconsistent but I'm sticking with it. Anakin is indeed starting to show signs of future bad behaviour, which is something I was worried they would avoid. I'm also impressed at how the first season ratcheted up the level of violence to the point where this cartoon is now grittier than the actual prequel films.
post #22 of 28

Season 3 is where it really gets going.

post #23 of 28
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I like that in private scenes between Anakin and Padme he acts like a crazy person.


YES!

 

There is one scene that made my skin CRAWL because he came off like such a creep.  And I couldn't tell how much of that was intentional on the show's part (clearly it was intentional, but to the extent I got skeeved out by it... I'm not sure!)

 

The guy is literally pacing around Padme as he seems to be lecturing her on how much he loves her.

 

OH GOD, how I hate Hayden Christensen.  Not even because of star war... just his face, voice, and everything about him.  Even the very suggestion of him via animated cartoon voiced by someone else makes me retch!

 

This is why his performance in Shattered Glass is one I maintain is one of expert casting as opposed to an actual good performance.  Hahahahah

post #24 of 28
It was the same scene. "I want to prove to you how much I love you. Hold my lightsaber." Creepy as fuck.
post #25 of 28
EUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
post #26 of 28
Hah! I just found our that the first three seasons are not presented in chronological order. That explains some serious confusion I've been having where Padme's uncle is murdered, then alive again.
post #27 of 28

AWWW SHIT

 

watching Season 5 and it's easily better than anything in the Prequels.

post #28 of 28
This page on StarWars.com gives you the chronological order of episodes. I never watched this show until now, so I've been using this as my guide and it's very helpful.

I just watched "Ambushed", the first aired episode. I love Yoda's character even more after this. The way he's portrayed is so fitting, always working best from the defensive and being so serene, never missing a beat. It's also upsetting to see how he bonds with the clones, knowing that one day with just the flick of a switch that they will turn against him and the Jedi. This is the kind of tragedy the prequels missed out on. We should have seen the Jedi bond with their clone soldiers to really make it feel like a punch in the gut. I have a feeling when I watch ROTS after this show, I'll find it far more tragic to watch because of the show. That doesn't help the film of course, as it should have been able to do that on its own.

So far, it's nice to know now that pre-Disney era LucasFilm was at least turning up something good after a series of disappointing feature films like the prequels and CRYSTAL SKULL.
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