Chris Dorner's Online Manifesto-Manhunt

I have no doubt the man had a valid beef with the LAPD, which is a pretty notoriously corrupt outfit. But to think this was the only way to resolve it is madness.

He had me up until here:

Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be "Tebowing" when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.

Now mental health really becomes an issue.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer 

I have no doubt the man had a valid beef with the LAPD, which is a pretty notoriously corrupt outfit.

I think it's a little early to say that.  The LAPD was under federal oversight for 8-10 years.  There are surely some bad cops left - how likely would it be there weren't, in a force of 10,000?  But even the LAPD's critics will say things have changed from the King/Rampart/pre-Bratton days.  It will take a long time, though, to repair the decades of racism, brutality and corruption which go back a hundred years.

Dorner may have had a legitimate complaint, but the guy was headed over the cliff whether it was valid or not.  The mistake the LAPD made was hiring him in the first place.   

The quote above by VTRan made me think of Taxi Driver.  Specifically, at the beginning of the movie where he asks out Betsy and on their pie date, goes into a soliloquy about him asking her out because of the connection he felt in the room when he walked in as opposed to her connection with Albert Brooks, to which she replies that "Yes, I wouldn't be here if I didn't."  My point is that Scorcese emphasizes that insanity can be definitely wrong about how to act and how to think (kind of the definition of insanity), but insane people can still make valid observations about the world which sane people can utilize. 

The trick is to not murder people though, that kinda taints whatever you have to say about anything. I didn't read the his manifesto, but I don't need to be convinced that law enforcement is fucking up around the country.

I shouldn't be, but I am still shocked at how people are rallying to this guy as some kind of folk hero.

Is there any chance of this being a Ricochet-type scenario? I expect the truth to come out during a dramatic showdown at the Watts Tower.

Yeah people are all focused on the crimes he witnessed while on the LAPD, but what about the crimes he witnessed at High School?

Mr. Freid, assistant principal, Cypress HS. Remember when you lied to my mother and the police officer in your office about stating that you never stated to me in a private conversation that you know the theft suspect (Miranda) stole my watch. Let me refresh your memory. A physical education teachers assistant, a student, stole the list of combination codes to peoples lockers, from the P.E. teacher. That student then opened many of those lockers and stole students personal property. My watch was taken in that multi theft an I reported it to you. A week later you discovered that the theft suspect was Paul Miranda, a student. You stated to me in private that you know for a fact he stole my property. When I attempted to retrieve my property from the suspect. Campus security was called and you lied and stated that you never stated to me that you "know he stole my watch". You sat there and lied to their faces right in front of me. You said it with such a deliberate, stern face. I never forgot that and was not surprised when 13 years later I was lied on again in the BOR by Teresa Evans. maybe you can confess to your family at the very least in the private of your own home. After that, contact my mother and apologize for lying to her in 1996.

OH and....

If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual's brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I've had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.

Sure, many of you "law enforcement experts and specialist" will state, "in all my years this is the worst........", Stop!!! That's not important. Ask yourselves what would cause somebody to take these drastic measures like I did. That's what is important.

This is no hero. He's an emotionally unstable Narcissist who went way over the edge.

So the cabin's on fire and there are tracks leading to a horse barn so they think he might have escaped.

This story is just so damn ridiculous.

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So the cabin's on fire and there are tracks leading to a horse barn so they think he might have escaped.

This story is just so damn ridiculous.

Hahah those cops shoulda watched "The Following" they'd know they have to Surround the damn cabin.

Now they're saying he didn't make it out of the cabin (if it's him, of course). So that's that.

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I haven't drunk the Kool-Aid and come to view Donner as some sort of hero, but I'm not going to buy whatever story the LAPD try to weave out of this. What's going on up there tonight looks like an extrajudicial execution. This guy was never going to get his day in court. There were civilian fatalities because the LAPD were running a "shoot first, ask questions later" operation.

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Ultimately I suppose it's what that comes down to, but I think the shooting of the two deliverywomen may have been a case where the officers did not use their (now commonly issued, as I understand it) rifles as properly instructed.  That shooting took place shortly after Dorner ambushed the two cops.  The cops - and this isn't an excuse - were not following procedure and probably acting out of fear. 

Ever see 44 Minutes with Michael Madsen? The movie finishes with a hubristic declaration that the LAPD now carries AR-15s in their squad cars.  I remember watching it and thinking, this isn't good.  The LAPD may have made gains under Bratton, but it was built as the most militaristic police force in North America, and that structure essentially remains. The cops are essentially armed like riflemen.

At 10:05 PM they admitted it was really a Middle Aged White Couple from Des Moines.

at 10:34pm, Fran Kranz popped up from sure death and beat the shit of of a guy with a telescoping bong.

He went out in a blazing cabin. Holy shit. 

Maybe...sounds like no one knows what's going on.

Was there any doubt the LAPD would kill him? They shot at two hispanic women, one of whom they mistook for Dorner, without warning, because they thought they had their guy. Looks like the embarrassment and shame of having him go to trial would have been unacceptable.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Newspaper-Delivery-Women-Shot-in-Torrance-to-Get-New-Truck-Courtesy-of-LAPD-190568921.html

They shot their truck 15 times, and hit the women three times, though not fatally.

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Was there any doubt the LAPD would kill him? They shot at two hispanic women, one of whom they mistook for Dorner, without warning, because they thought they had their guy. Looks like the embarrassment and shame of having him go to trial would have been unacceptable.

 

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Newspaper-Delivery-Women-Shot-in-Torrance-to-Get-New-Truck-Courtesy-of-LAPD-190568921.html

 

They shot their truck 15 times, and hit the women three times, though not fatally.

Those are just warning shots from the LAPD.  Does the 'gift' of the new truck somehow excuse or protect them from legal action? 

Not to mention the humiliation of a Hispanic woman being mistaken for a LineBacker Sized Black Man!

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-christopher-dorner-complex/

Yeah that essay demonstrates why the Left has been marginalized in the US. I get what he's saying, but Dorner was so clearly dealing with fundamental personal issues with or without "The MAN" keeping him down. Also, Dorner seemed to have grievances against every race and sexual orientation. So, Fail.

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Yeah that essay demonstrates why the Left has been marginalized in the US.

Given the hero worship that so many liberals have for police, the state, and the prosecution of the war on terror now that the president has a D in front of his name, don't give them too much credit. Certain liberal intellectuals and groups like the ACLU, sure. The right will discredit the left whether they have good reasons or not, but don't think it's because of the left's integrity.

I keep hearing this "hero worship" thing. I live in LA. I don't know a single person who views this guy as anything other than a nut. Should racism and corruption be stopped in the LAPD? Of course! But just because a psychopath thinks that too doesn't mean I agree with HIM. He'll probably never see a trial, but if he did, and he started a "pay for my defense and all my expenses" website, and libs actually donate money, THEN you can get on our ass about hero worship. It's just the right being desperate for a non-right-wing crazy to point at and go "see? see? It's not just us, see?" 

Meanwhile George Zimmerman is still getting fan mail...

I pretty explicitly wasn't talking about supporting Dorner, dingus. I agree that his motives have been reported so as to malign and trivialize them as if the media is worried that reporting them accurately is tantamount to supporting Dorner's murders. Or, they actively believe that attempting to understanding that people's reasons for murder as possibly being based in real grievances is the same as condoning murder. And I agree with the article Dr Syn posted.

Would it have been so costly to scan for more than the words "hero worship" in my post and read the whole thing? I was testifying to the fact that the left reveres the violent power of the police and the military to arrest and kill problems away, with a few exceptions such as pundits like Glenn Greenwald, and believing that they've been marginalized for their integrity when it comes to defying police power is false. I was hoping I wouldn't have to condescend and post at length and in detail examples and illustrations of the point for someone not to read a left versus right argument into what I said, but then you posted.

The right will vilify them as being anti-police and military regardless for having even a little insight into problems that the police, for instance, create (Bill O'Reilly was complaining the other night that the media was sympathizing with Dorner by merely reporting on Dorner's manifesto), so I'm not saying they have good reasons for maligning liberals. They usually have bad reasons, because they hold many worse positions or are just trying to get power even if they all but in name agree with liberals. But the right aren't maligning the left for ideaological differences that they largely don't have.

But to say that liberals are trivialized for their well thought out analysis of guys like Dorner (which that article does) and show how the police need to reconsider its policies to stop making enemies is giving liberals credit where they don't deserve it. The left largely doesn't have integrity on this issue. The liberal intellectuals and groups like the ACLU who oppose police abuse get trotted to smear all liberals, but to say that the left's level headedness on these problems is what gets them trivialized is to give them credit they don't deserve.

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about that's representative of many liberals (I know, you'll probably want to point out that if they did this kind of test with conservatives, they'd be just as ignorant and hypocritical. All it means is that both sides are unprincipled and after support and power). These people interviewed oppose Obama's policies when they're led to believe that Romney calls for them but immediately accept them when the host reveals that they are Obama's, with I think only one exception. I like how the video has to explicitly state that they are not endorsing Romney. Because you know there are people who are so unconcerned with mere truth and are concerned with supporting one party's power over another that they think any criticism of one side means support for the other. It's a concern more for having a side than for searching for the truth, something the right and left have in common.

Anyways, here's some other good stuff on Dorner. For one thing, the reward the LAPD was offering was a crock. They had no intention of capturing him and just wanted to kill him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-to-captives-i-just-want-to-clear-my-name.html

You can hear the LAPD saying, "Burners deployed and we have a fire" at 1:28 in this video. They deployed some kind of incendiary tear gas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=youtu.be

And in this one you hear, "Burn that fucking house down."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc

The LAPD acted like the military and went out to kill Dorner. They even used drones to search for him.

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I will bet you any amount of money that somewhere a producer is optioning this as we speak.

If they're lucky, they'll get Tarantino.

Nicolas Winding Refn both has prior experience with biopics about large/violent madmen, and has expressed interest in producing a new entry in this series:

Just saying.

Seriously though, if you think about it, this whole crazy story SCREAMS slasher flick. Years from now, people will be sitting around camp fires at Big Bear Lake CA, telling stories about the hulking homicidal ex-cop who was unjustly kicked off the force and died in a fire... but it is said his undead form still wanders the woods on his mission of revenge against all those who wronged him. God help anyone who gets in his way!

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Seriously though, if you think about it, this whole crazy story SCREAMS slasher flick. Years from now, people will be sitting around camp fires at Big Bear Lake CA, telling stories about the hulking homicidal ex-cop who was unjustly kicked off the force and died in a fire... but it is said his undead form still wanders the woods on his mission of revenge against all those who wronged him. God help anyone who gets in his way!

Even now, as we type, Dr Loomis and Deputy Hunt have the charred remains of the body over at the medical examiner's table....

Syd, saw your comment in the rep you gave me. Thanks, and understood. And on that count I agree. Right wingers do like to paint liberals as lionizing criminals.

The guy was clearly messed up and pretty much deep sixed his point when he started killing people, but that doesn't mean the LAPD doesn't need a major overhaul/housecleaning.  As far as the cabin torching, this was an execution.  Dorner was the villain, clearly, but police of all people should follow the rule of law.  Being a police officer, especially here, is an incredibly hard job.  You could die any moment of any day, so I respect the hell out of them, but I can't imagine the LAPD isn't embarrassed by every aspect of this, from the contents of the manifesto (a lot of which is true, according to many current and former LA cops), to their panicky reaction, to burning down the cabin rather than having the manhunt result in an arrest.  I hope there is a positive outcome and some change in the department.

Huh so the LAPD really applaud Ellen DeGeneres for her ability to Entertain America while presenting a positive role model for the Gay and Lesbian Communities? Right on!

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Huh so the LAPD really applaud Ellen DeGeneres for her ability to Entertain America while presenting a positive role model for the Gay and Lesbian Communities? Right on!

Zing!

Amazing that a man can shoot himself 25 times. In the head! Zing!

I've really been enjoying NSFW Corp's reporting lately.

They just tossed up two articles on Dorner, including this one on the San Bernadino PD: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/sbcs (link is safe for work).