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post #1 of 67
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by Nick Nunziata: link

Have we seen the end of the Pick-Up Artist in armor?
post #2 of 67

They've already flat-out said that they'll recast when Downey leaves, so I don't see dialing back Iron Man just because he decides to quit. He's a big part of these movies, but he's not so essential to them that he can't be recast. Admittedly, the replacement would likely be a step down, but so was Roger Moore.

post #3 of 67

Can always bring in teen Tony

post #4 of 67
I remember reading an interview with RDJ a few years ago where he said he'd do 17 sequels. Liar!
post #5 of 67
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Can always bring in teen Tony

 

It's a sign of how C-list Iron Man had gotten in the 90s that that was a storyline that happened.

post #6 of 67

Is there any way we could stop him leaving? Anyone got a daughter they're willing to sacrifice to Satan, for example?

post #7 of 67

He's the only person in the Marvel Universe who is not replaceable.  They'll offer him 100 million to stay and he'll stay, injuries be damned.

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He's the only person in the Marvel Universe who is not replaceable.

 

That's not true.  Who else could play Hulk??

post #9 of 67
Downey can be replaced, but the Connery / Bond factor he'll leave them to face is undeniable. Practically everything Stark is on screen can be attributed to Downey's performance.
post #10 of 67

Who will be the designated Lazenby when he goes, then?

post #11 of 67

Yeah, who is the guy you call when Robert Downey Jnr is unavailable? I actually have no idea, and that's probably why he's worth so much money!

post #12 of 67

Stick to 80'S teen stars. Bring in John Cusack.

post #13 of 67

Dude...Judd Nelson.  I'm dead serious.

post #14 of 67
I feel it in my gut that it would have been Sam Rockwell (who I think was actually considered for the role before Downey secured it). Now that's definitely not going to happen.
post #15 of 67

Tom Cruise used to be attached to this, years ago. He'd be a major change, though, and he's older than Downey. Matt Damon would make sense, but I doubt they'd have him for more than a movie or two, in the unlikely event they got him. If they wanted to go significantly younger, they might have to dig - this is a role for a true movie star, to a degree few superhero movies require.

post #16 of 67
I used to crush on Justin Theroux after his turn on Six Feet Under. He probably had something to do with how fucked up and bad IM2 was, but he's attractive, funny and an all around good actor. Provided he wants anything to do with Marvel, I could easily see him fitting in.
post #17 of 67
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Tom Cruise used to be attached to this, years ago. He'd be a major change, though, and he's older than Downey. Matt Damon would make sense, but I doubt they'd have him for more than a movie or two, in the unlikely event they got him. If they wanted to go significantly younger, they might have to dig - this is a role for a true movie star, to a degree few superhero movies require.

 

 

I could really dig Cruise in the role...he can do Cocky like no one else. It would be an interesting change from RDJ's slightly smarmy approach (which I love). I just wonder if his ego and Marvel's cheapness would allow it to happen.

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I could really dig Cruise in the role...he can do Cocky like no one else. It would be an interesting change from RDJ's slightly smarmy approach (which I love). I just wonder if his ego and Marvel's cheapness would allow it to happen.

 

He could use a hit right now enough that I could see him doing something unconventional (like a small upfront and points on the back) to attach himself to a franchise this successful.

post #19 of 67
Cruise would have all of his co-stars sign a contract stating that they must say on press tours that he was so committed that he insisted on being molecularly digitized by the Tron laser so he could do all of his own CGI suit stunts.

Seriously, I sometimes think that regailing the press with stories of Stunt Man Tom is part of a contractual obligation.
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Cruise would have all of his co-stars sign a contract stating that they must say on press tours that he was so committed that he insisted on being molecularly digitized by the Tron laser so he could do all of his own CGI suit stunts.

Seriously, I sometimes think that regailing the press with stories of Stunt Man Tom is part of a contractual obligation.

 

Considering that he did all of those stunts for MI: GP on the outside of the Bhurj Khalifa, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

post #21 of 67
That'd be awkward, after Cruise's reported attempt to recruit ScarJo into Scientology and cast her in real life as his media appearances beard wife before settling on Katie Holmes.

Pay Downey what he wants, give him a couple of scenes out of the armor, and have him come in and do RDA voice work over a couple of afternoons for scenes starring a stuntman in the armored suit in future movies where the character is featured. This ain't hard. Just pay the stuntman instead of giving him the David Prowse fuckaround.
post #22 of 67
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Downey can be replaced, but the Connery / Bond factor he'll leave them to face is undeniable.

But that's precisely what makes Downey irreplaceable. Do you honestly believe that people actually care about the character? Of course not! They come to the theater to see Downey do that thing that makes a Downey Jr. a Downey Jr--they could care less about Iron Man.

post #23 of 67

Inimitable ≠ irreplaceable.

post #24 of 67

I can see why Downey might want to move on. There's only so far you can go in exploring a character. It's nice that he takes these movies seriously and is not just out there for the paycheck. But yeah, no Downey will definitely affect any future Iron Man film or Avengers 2. If Downey wasn't in the Avengers, it would've still made a lot of money but probably half of what it it took in. 

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Inimitable ≠ irreplaceable.

But it does. It means that people respond to that actor's personality--they're not going to just be fine with another actor filling in the role.

post #26 of 67
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But it does. It means that people respond to that actor's personality--they're not going to just be fine with another actor filling in the role.

 

So what happens if they have to recast?  Do you admit you're wrong then, or do we have to wait for the movie to make a bunch of money first?

post #27 of 67
What's Val Kilmer up to? He's done this sort of thing before.
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Downey will re-up for a few more films and more points on the backend and then bow out post-Avengers 3.  Mark my words.

 

 

As for Cruise?  If he ends up in a superhero film...which is possible...he should play a villain.  Or Booster Gold.

post #30 of 67
Have you paid your dues jack yes the check is in the mail
post #31 of 67
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So what happens if they have to recast?  Do you admit you're wrong then, or do we have to wait for the movie to make a bunch of money first?

Oh, I'm not saying they won't try. In the pursuit of money, Hollywood tends to be persistent. I'm just saying that it's all going to blow up in their faces once they realize that mainstream audiences don't have any interest in the character besides Downey Jr.

 

Whether you want to admit or not, RDJ carries this entire franchise. And Marvel, despite whatever nonsense they put out about "James Bonding" these characters, know it as well and they're probably shitting their pants over it.

 

 

 

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As for Cruise?  If he ends up in a superhero film...which is possible...he should play a villain.  Or Booster Gold.

 

Implying that every Tom Cruise film isn't a superhero film.

post #32 of 67
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Oh, I'm not saying they won't try. In the pursuit of money, Hollywood tends to be persistent. I'm just saying that it's all going to blow up in their faces once they realize that mainstream audiences don't have any interest in the character besides Downey Jr.

 

Whether you want to admit or not, RDJ carries this entire franchise. And Marvel, despite whatever nonsense they put out about "James Bonding" these characters, know it as well and they're probably shitting their pants over it.

 

 

 

People said the same thing about Sean Connery as James Bond, as you yourself point out. Batman with Michael Keaton had two blockbusters; switching to other actors didn't kill it (Joel Schumacher did).

post #33 of 67

No one is saying it still wouldn't be successful. Just not on the level they're on now. Without Downey they would still make money but remember that Thor and Captain America "only" made 180 M domestically compared with what the first Iron Man did at 320 M. And that's taking into account Thor and Captain America were better known characters than Iron Man beforehand. 

post #34 of 67
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As for Cruise?  If he ends up in a superhero film...which is possible...he should play a villain.  Or Booster Gold.

 

Wow.  Cruise as Booster Gold.  That's just... brilliant.

post #35 of 67

Farrell in In Bruges/Bullseye mode would make an aces Tony Stark.

post #36 of 67
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People said the same thing about Sean Connery as James Bond, as you yourself point out. Batman with Michael Keaton had two blockbusters; switching to other actors didn't kill it (Joel Schumacher did).

1. But you're not expected to buy that James Bond is following a certain narrative through each movie. If Marvel is truly serious about bringing all of these franchises into one coherent narrative, than they should know why replacing RDJ is going to be rough.

 

2. Here's the main difference: People absolutely love Batman. I bring this up everytime we talk about this: Look at the posters for the Iron Man films and whose face is typically front and center? It's RDJ. Look at the Batman films and who is at the forefront? It ain't Bale--it's the goddamned Batman. 

post #37 of 67

It's not like he could have played Iron Man forever.

 

They should cast Ryan Reynolds or Chris Evans. 

 

Hell, just recast every character with Chris Evans and Ryan Reynolds, they seem to play every other superhero.

 

have a whole team of Chris Evanses, maybe.

post #38 of 67
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1. But you're not expected to buy that James Bond is following a certain narrative through each movie. If Marvel is truly serious about bringing all of these franchises into one coherent narrative, than they should know why replacing RDJ is going to be rough.

 

2. Here's the main difference: People absolutely love Batman. I bring this up everytime we talk about this: Look at the posters for the Iron Man films and whose face is typically front and center? It's RDJ. Look at the Batman films and who is at the forefront? It ain't Bale--it's the goddamned Batman. 

 

Well the Bond novels were written in an overall "arc" albeit a loose one. It's an accident of Fate that the movies were filmed out of order.

 

As for why RDJ is on the poster, I think that has a lot to do with his Agent, don't you think? No doubt he's the main draw, and sure Iron Man the suit is not as iconic as Batman. Except now after three successful films (two of which people really like), Iron Man has legs as a character.

post #39 of 67
Even after Downey Jr. leaves the franchise, like Bond, it will endure. Will it not make as much bank without him? Probably, the same thing happened when Bondmania faded away after Connery left, but the films still made good enough success to last as long as fifty years. MARVEL just has keep it up by putting more emphasis on the appeal of the characters and less on "hey we got this guy playing him". EON was also guilty of that when they had "Sean Connery IS James Bond" on posters before they marginalized the names of the next set of actors compared to Bond/007.
post #40 of 67
The thing about Iron Man, maybe more than most other superheroes, is that in 20 years or so, the military will probably be employing real world approximations of Stark's technology. There's a not-too-distant plausibility there that lends itself to hard sci-fi and going that route is likely the only way I will ever watch another Iron Man film. If i ever get up off my ass to see IM3, it will be Shane Black and Shane Black alone that brings me in.
post #41 of 67
One thing I really hope for after RDJ throws in the towel is that they do not do a reboot. Too many reboots have gone on, so it would be nice to have the next person to truly continue the legacy that began with the first film instead of pushing the reset button.
post #42 of 67
That's one of the things that I do admire Marvel Comics for; they've done shake-ups of status quos, and they've started alternate lines of comics that weren't saddled with decades of old continuity, but they've never rebooted the main universe. They just hand-wave the passage of time. It's always "this year." I would love to see the movies do this, the way the bond films did right up until Daniel Craig. It would enable future screenwriters to build on everything that had come before, rather than trying to put a new spin on a hero's origin story every three installments.
post #43 of 67

Agreed, Iron Man is pretty much the American Bond. It will survive RDJ's departure but it will be a hell of a shame for him to go.

 

As for the recast, whoever said Cusack was on the money in  my book.

post #44 of 67
I would not mind Iron Man going out with RDJ--sometime in Avengers 3 Stark either dies a hero's death or walks off into the sunset. By then the Avengers will have Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther--God knows who else. Some turn-over would be good and introduce some actual tension ("If Iron Man can go down, what about the Hulk?"). That said, it's a valid creative decision to go Iron Man 4: The Next Generation. Put Tony Stark in a mentor role and have him coach some young buck to use the Iron Man armor. Or, yeah, recast. Personally, I could see Joel McHale as the new Tony Stark.

He's young, but not so young that you have to explain why Tony Stark is now a refugee from High School Musical. The wry sense of humor is almost the same, but I could see McHale breathing new life into the same old quips. Just open Iron Man 5 or whatever with Joel McHale walking out of the shower, rubbing his jaw. "Man, I look different without the goatee, don't I?"

An Adam Scott would also do.
post #45 of 67
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One thing I really hope for after RDJ throws in the towel is that they do not do a reboot. Too many reboots have gone on, so it would be nice to have the next person to truly continue the legacy that began with the first film instead of pushing the reset button.

 

I don't think they will; the interconnectedness of the universe makes it borderline impossible to reboot a single character within it.

post #46 of 67
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I would not mind Iron Man going out with RDJ--sometime in Avengers 3 Stark either dies a hero's death or walks off into the sunset. By then the Avengers will have Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther--God knows who else. Some turn-over would be good and introduce some actual tension ("If Iron Man can go down, what about the Hulk?"). That said, it's a valid creative decision to go Iron Man 4: The Next Generation. Put Tony Stark in a mentor role and have him coach some young buck to use the Iron Man armor. Or, yeah, recast. Personally, I could see Joel McHale as the new Tony Stark.

He's young, but not so young that you have to explain why Tony Stark is now a refugee from High School Musical. The wry sense of humor is almost the same, but I could see McHale breathing new life into the same old quips. Just open Iron Man 5 or whatever with Joel McHale walking out of the shower, rubbing his jaw. "Man, I look different without the goatee, don't I?"

An Adam Scott would also do.

Actually I would be alright with Don Cheadle taking over. Like Tony just dies and leaves it all to him or Tony and Pepper go off into the sunset together and leave it all to him. Recasting Tony seems like n awful idea and the problem with the mentor thing is it still requires involvement that im sure he isn't interested in. Rhodey becomes Iron Man or simply stays War Machine but slides into Iron Man's role in the Avengers. Only problem is that you kind of lose the genius angle but they still have Banner. Guy has to have some importance when he isn't turning green and smashing shit. 

post #47 of 67

I am all for...recasting Tony Stark, and going with one of the...Numerous other gal pals in Stark's little black book.  Gwyneth is...Perfect as Pepper.  Also, Stark doesn't have to be as funny as RDJ Jr is.  He can wear his...Armored Suit more, if they go younger, and focus on that instead of how Awesome Business Suited Stark is.  I would go with Whitney Frost aka Madame Masque as his gal pal, thus also bringing The Maggia into the proceedings.

post #48 of 67
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One thing I really hope for after RDJ throws in the towel is that they do not do a reboot. Too many reboots have gone on, so it would be nice to have the next person to truly continue the legacy that began with the first film instead of pushing the reset button.

 

 

What, don't you want to see how Tony Stark became Iron Man? Again? It's only been like 7 years!

post #49 of 67

Would it be asking too much for Downey's Iron Man to just be given a complete arc in the next couple of movies, and just end it? Wrap it up nicely, the way Nolan did with his Batman films.

 

The Iron Man and Avengers franchises can't go on forever anyway, and we're already getting Iron Man's most interesting villain in IM3 and the Avengers' most interesting villain in Avengers 2. Why not wrap it up in Avengers 3 and let the franchise rest.

 

I just really don't want to see Iron Man end up like Spider-Man, and I hate when franchises are drawn out well past their shelf life.

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Would it be asking too much for Downey's Iron Man to just be given a complete arc in the next couple of movies, and just end it? Wrap it up nicely, the way Nolan did with his Batman films.

 

The Iron Man and Avengers franchises can't go on forever anyway, and we're already getting Iron Man's most interesting villain in IM3 and the Avengers' most interesting villain in Avengers 2. Why not wrap it up in Avengers 3 and let the franchise rest.

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