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post #1 of 1937
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My most dreaded film of 2014. I have no faith in Edwards, or three of the four writers on this thing (Darabont could bring the goods).

I was excited for a minute by wrong info on IMDB (Giachiono ISNT doing the score).
post #2 of 1937
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I was excited for a minute by wrong info on IMDB (Giachiono ISNT doing the score).

 

Really? Damn.

 

This has to be better than the '98 version, right? 

post #3 of 1937
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My most dreaded film of 2014. I have no faith in Edwards,

 

I thought Monsters was well received? (I haven't seen it)

post #4 of 1937

 I did once see the last half hour of Monsters

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The ending where the two leads realize they're in love after watching two monsters mate, made me roll my eyes.

Although Edwards has said he is a fan. That is already an improvement over the makers of the 98 Godzilla who bad mouthed all Godzilla flicks but the firs one.


Edited by Chaz - 6/8/13 at 6:01pm
post #5 of 1937

Monsters was decent, but nothing mind blowing.  Edwards is barely above a journeyman and certainly will have little power over such a gargantuan studio tentpole...this could go either way.

post #6 of 1937
Isn't that why the studio hired him in the first place?
post #7 of 1937
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Isn't that why the studio hired him in the first place?

 

Yep.  He made a decent movie about giant stomping monsters and he isn't A-list so he's cheap.  Don't need a slide rule to figure that one out.

post #8 of 1937
I could have sworn I read him saying that he doesn't necessarily 'like' monster movies, it (Monsters) was just a story he wanted to tell.
post #9 of 1937
Thread Starter 
I wouldn't be surprised if he said that. I found Monsters vacuous and thoroughly unlikeable.

If Edwards isn't calling the shots on this one, I wonder who is, one of the producers?
post #10 of 1937

Yeah, after finally watching Monsters I'm a little concerned about this one because I love kaiju movies.  It can't be as bad as America's last try, can it?

post #11 of 1937
I can't imagine a worse Godzilla movie than GINO 98. I have hope.
post #12 of 1937

Godzilla '98 starts off so promisingly.  They really do a nice job ramping up to that first rampage.  And then it just totally falls apart.  Thing is, I grabbed the DVD for five bucks because I'll still pop it in and watch the FX scenes.  Kind of like a do with a lot of the Japanese Godzilla films.  So maybe it hit closer to the mark than we want to admit.

post #13 of 1937
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

 I did once see the last half hour of Monsters

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

The ending where the two leads realize they're in love after watching two monsters mate, made me roll my eyes.

Although Edwards has said he is a fan. That is already an improvement over the makers of the 98 Godzilla who bad mouthed all Godzilla flicks but the firs one.

 

I really question whether being a Fan makes one a good choice to make a movie. Nicholas Meyer had no knowledge of Star Trek and didn't bother to learn anything about it, but directed two of the best TOS films.

 

On the other side you have Lucas and Spielberg, who wanted to make a modern Action Serial like the one's from the 30's. Except when they screened a few of those serial they realized they all sucked! So they took what they liked and created their own thing. That thing: Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

Toho's problem is they always revert to "film by Committee" with Godzilla. So we need to have a tough Female to appeal to females, a Nerd to appeal to Nerds, sometimes they even insist on a Goddamn kid!

post #14 of 1937
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I really question whether being a Fan makes one a good choice to make a movie. Nicholas Meyer had no knowledge of Star Trek and didn't bother to learn anything about it, but directed two of the best TOS films.

 

But Meyer was a solid storyteller...he understood the characters and the universe from an outside, unbiased perspective and paid them respect.  He treated it like Shakespeare...and he knew a little about Trek, he'd seem some episodes beforehand, he just wasn't a dedicated fan.

 

Abrams just seems to want to make shit look cool for a global audience...it's a totally different way of approaching the material.

post #15 of 1937

Abrams still made a solid Star Trek film better than it deserved to be.

post #16 of 1937

Better than it deserved to be?

post #17 of 1937

The adventures of young Kirk and Spock. Did that sound like a good idea to anybody before the film was released?

post #18 of 1937

All we really need is a coherent plot and likable characters and it'll automatically be better than most giant monster flicks.  As long as they don't give it a Kenny...  A little Gamera '95 is all we need.

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I can't imagine a worse Godzilla movie than GINO 98. I have hope.

Godzilla's Revenge.

post #19 of 1937
Godzilla's Revenge is infinitely better.
post #20 of 1937

It gave us Gabera and talking Minya.  All GINO inflicted on us was Jean Reno doing an Elvis impersonation and a bad parrody of Siskel and Ebert.  

 

What I'm trying to say is that Minya is awful.

 


Edited by Zweit - 6/11/13 at 2:19pm
post #21 of 1937
My son used to love All Monsters Attack. Even I have an affection for it. Might be a latch-key thing.
post #22 of 1937
Thread Starter 

Nope, Revenge is still better than Godzilla 98, and Monsters.

 

It's worth watching the Japanese version, as All Monsters Attack is one of those unintentional documentaries that captures a time in ways I don't think the filmmakers intended. I mean,  That kid lived in an industrial hellscape.

 

Gabara is a nifty monster design too.

 

 

I guess it could be worse, Bay could be directing a script by the three horsemen.  

 

Or Manoj.

 

Or Len Wisemann.

 

Or Brett Ratner

post #23 of 1937
Akira Kurosawa always wanted to make a godzilla film but the executives at toho always feared it would cost to much
http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0000041/trivia
post #24 of 1937

And who says it's just Hollywood who's clueless. Dumb Toho execs. 

post #25 of 1937

I would rather watch a double feature of Godzilla's Revenge and Godzilla vs Megalon then Godzilla 98.

post #26 of 1937
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Gabara is a nifty monster design too.

I don't understand this sequence of words.

post #27 of 1937

I'm rooting for this to kick ass. Legendary hiring Edwards is a ballsy choice, and they're being very smart by giving him enough time to prepare himself for it. This probably has a budget ten thousand times bigger than what Monsters had.

post #28 of 1937
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This probably has a budget ten thousand times bigger than what Monsters had.

That's what I'm hoping, that Monsters had a low enough budget that he just used the monsters as a backdrop to tell a dopey love story.  It struck me that Godzilla 98 essentially did the same thing and made me worried about this one...

post #29 of 1937

The...Answer, I want to hear is...Does Godzilla have his...Atomic Fire, or will the director say (as Emmeryuck did) that real life creatures do not breathe fire?  I am...Unimpressed with the actors, except for one...Kick-Ass Actor!  I hope we get to see...Godzilla soon!

post #30 of 1937
Duke, the cast is pretty damn good for what is likely to be a Summer smash'em up. At least IMHO Do we know if there are other Monsters in this? My dream Godzilla movie doesn't have any others
post #31 of 1937

I paid to see Godzilla 98 in the cinema. This movie better be good because Godzilla fucking owes me.

post #32 of 1937
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I would rather watch a double feature of Godzilla's Revenge and Godzilla vs Megalon then Godzilla 98.

 

I know it's not art, but I'll have words with anyone who disses Godzilla vs. Megalon.

post #33 of 1937
Love Machine, Aaron Taylor Johnson is the...only actor I like in this film. I hope Godzilla...Eats the others for a light snack. Godzilla could even use Frank Darabont as a...Toothpick. Also I...Want Godzilla as the...Collateral Damaging...Hero he...Should be. Bring on a...University of...Incorporated...Monsters. Gigan, the Big G's buddy...Jet Jaguar, etc.
post #34 of 1937
Duke fleed I love those godzilla characters adding mothra and king ghidorah.It would be good if they did that but on the other hand i don't see hollywood giving those monster character a chance but they won't.
post #35 of 1937

Dilla7, It is sad to see you are likely...Correct.

post #36 of 1937
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I know it's not art, but I'll have words with anyone who disses Godzilla vs. Megalon.

Yeah, Megalon isn't really comparable in my opinion.  It's too bizarre and crazy to not be entertaining.  A better pairing would be Destroy All Planets since both have the plot grind to a halt and show the audience scenes from other movies in their franchises.  

 

That in my mind is one of the worst things a movie can do, and will invariably make any bad movie worse.  GINO and Revenge would be neck and neck if GINO stopped for twenty minutes to show me scenes from ID4 because at the end of said footage we would be back to a vastly worse movie.  But it didn't, so I'm happy to call it bad instead of awful.  Or awful instead of I-have-already-stopped-thinking-about-this-movie-and-it's-not-even-over.  

post #37 of 1937
Hollywood had the rights for godzilla 98 they owe you mr saxon
post #38 of 1937

This movie is still coming out in 2014? Shouldn't we be hearing more about it or have I just missed out on a teaser, concept art, etc?

post #39 of 1937
Thread Starter 
The as yet unreleased comic-con footage showed another monster, dead. So who knows? As long as Neville Page isn't involved in the monster design, I'm interested.
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Yeah, Megalon isn't really comparable in my opinion.  It's too bizarre and crazy to not be entertaining.  A better pairing would be Destroy All Planets since both have the plot grind to a halt and show the audience scenes from other movies in their franchises.  

That in my mind is one of the worst things a movie can do, and will invariably make any bad movie worse.  GINO and Revenge would be neck and neck if GINO stopped for twenty minutes to show me scenes from ID4 because at the end of said footage we would be back to a vastly worse movie.  But it didn't, so I'm happy to call it bad instead of awful.  Or awful instead of I-have-already-stopped-thinking-about-this-movie-and-it's-not-even-over.  

Revenge was a personal, micro-budget kid's story, and it's effective being so. 98 Godzilla is supposed to be an epic disaster/action movie, and manages to be only boring and insulting.

I think Godzilla Raids Again was the low point of the Showa years.
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This movie is still coming out in 2014? Shouldn't we be hearing more about it or have I just missed out on a teaser, concept art, etc?

Yeah, I wonder how the production is going?
post #40 of 1937
I don't think they want to jump the gun with concept art or news least they're taking they're time it has to be better than that shitfest of 98 I will take the showa years any day over that movie.
post #41 of 1937
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I don't think they want to jump the gun with concept art or news least they're taking they're time it has to be better than that shitfest of 98 I will take the showa years any day over that movie.

 

 

I would hope it would be better than the 98 version. But you would think they would be showing that like NOWish to emphasize far in advance that yes, this does exist and will kick the ass of the old version. They need to pull a Man of Steel basically and let everyone see how different this is from the last entry (whether that is fair or not). My love of Godzilla kind of faded as I grew older but I would love for it to be rekindled by an awesome movie again.

post #42 of 1937

I'd expect a teaser at ComiCon.

post #43 of 1937

 I wish they would release the proof on concept trailer that was shown at the last year's Comic Con. There is a Garth Edwards's Godzilla Facebook page that has pictures of the shoot. Mostly destroyed cars, troops, and a missile being sent transported by train.

 

 My problem with Megalon is the lack of Godzilla. Once he shows up its all good. The climax is a really good fight.

post #44 of 1937

Godzilla's Revenge is strangely similar to Pan's Labyrinth; a child who is oppressed by their bleak surroundings escapes into a fantasy world which mirrors the conflicts in their own. Sadly, Godzilla's Revenge is a cheap and silly production relying far too much on stock footage, and the same cannot be said for Pan's Labyrinth.

 

Godzilla vs. Megalon is the most preposterous thing to ever be committed to celluloid, it's also one of the most entertaining. 

 

No, I think the worst G film is definitely Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla which commits the cardinal sin of being dull.

 

But not as dull as Roland Emmerich's attempt, I feel there need not be any worry about Legendary's efforts at establishing their own identity apart from the 98 movie, because that movie has no discernible identity, it's a hodge-podge of Jurassic Park and Independence Day; there is nothing memorable or iconic about it. 

post #45 of 1937
I suspect next month's Comic Con will have some footage for us. I imagine they have waited to let Pacific Rim have it's day in the preview sun first.
post #46 of 1937
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I imagine they have waited to let Pacific Rim have it's day in the preview sun first.

I was about to chime in that they're likely waiting for Pacific Rim to come and go so that the average moviegoer doesn't get them confused.

post #47 of 1937
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Godzilla's Revenge is strangely similar to Pan's Labyrinth; a child who is oppressed by their bleak surroundings escapes into a fantasy world which mirrors the conflicts in their own. Sadly, Godzilla's Revenge is a cheap and silly production relying far too much on stock footage, and the same cannot be said for Pan's Labyrinth.

 

Godzilla vs. Megalon is the most preposterous thing to ever be committed to celluloid, it's also one of the most entertaining. 

 

No, I think the worst G film is definitely Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla which commits the cardinal sin of being dull.

 

 

 

Good comparison of Godzilla's Revenge and Pan's Labyrinth.

 

Space Godzilla is doubly Damned because it has a great monster design in Space Godzilla, and a cool origin. If only they'd come up with a decent script.....

post #48 of 1937
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But not as dull as Roland Emmerich's attempt, I feel there need not be any worry about Legendary's efforts at establishing their own identity apart from the 98 movie, because that movie has no discernible identity, it's a hodge-podge of Jurassic Park and Independence Day; there is nothing memorable or iconic about it. 

Gino trapped in the Brooklyn Bridge at the end was badass. Just those precious few moments.
post #49 of 1937
I don't even acknowledge 98 godzilla as part of the franchise.
post #50 of 1937
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Godzilla's Revenge is strangely similar to Pan's Labyrinth; a child who is oppressed by their bleak surroundings escapes into a fantasy world which mirrors the conflicts in their own. Sadly, Godzilla's Revenge is a cheap and silly production relying far too much on stock footage, and the same cannot be said for Pan's Labyrinth.

 

 

Del Toro has a fan-board that he answers questions on from time to time. Someone pointed out the similarity between the two films in a Q&A and he said it wasn't a coincidence. With that being said, I think Godzilla's Revenge is kind of brilliant, and writing it off as a cheap and silly production really isn't fair.

 

But, yeah, we're in agreement that Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla is the worst G-film. It's cardinal sin is that it's boring. Godzilla vs Megalon is never that.

 

Also, the Minya hate makes no sense. He's a great character. Who is the son of the King of the Monsters? Well, he's a complete coward. It's a great concept. 

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