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post #1451 of 4727
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post


I liked it a lot. It just had issues. Big ones.

 

Some pacing issues aside, I kinda loved the thing.  

post #1452 of 4727

...I just really liked the line delivery, man.

post #1453 of 4727

I liked it a lot too! You people are getting me all wrong. Its big and sloppy and it does what it wants. I sincerely wish the villain wasn't so undercooked, and there are three or four scenes that are just spectacularly inappropriate, out-of-place, or otherwise insanely ridiculous.


Fingers-crossed that Snyder is able to put out an Ultimate Watchmen monster cut (indeed, I defend the Watchmen movie! What of it?!) that makes it all a bit less plotty. If we can get Zod and Faora shooting the shit and being something more than stomping jerks, that would be grand.

post #1454 of 4727
I liked Watchmen more than Man of Steel. Of the two properties that Snyder didn't really seem to understand, I think he bungled Watchmen more satisfyingly.

Or maybe I'm a complete asshole.
post #1455 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Or maybe I'm a complete asshole.


Can someone else please tell Bradito that he's a complete asshole? I like him too much.

post #1456 of 4727
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What's going on? Do all of the people who dislike this movie sleep at the same time? Like a group of vampires?

 

Where have you all gonnnnnnnnnnnne, my beloved mcnoojians?

 

Ugh, no kidding.  I was getting my ASS kicked all alone on the night shift.  Not because I was wrong, but because the defenders would mass together like the zombies from world war Z, barking off their wrongness back and forth to each other until they thought they were right, drowning me in a writhing mass of corpses.

post #1457 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

Ugh, no kidding.  I was getting my ASS kicked all alone on the night shift.  Not because I was wrong, but because the defenders would mass together like the zombies from world war Z, barking off their wrongness back and forth to each other until they thought they were right, drowning me in a writhing mass of corpses.


Don't you mean: our rightness?

 

Anyway, I recorded your night shift for prosperity, Freeman.

 

 

 

You fought well and truly proved that you are not a number.

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post #1459 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

I liked Watchmen more than Man of Steel. Of the two properties that Snyder didn't really seem to understand, I think he bungled Watchmen more satisfyingly.

Or maybe I'm a complete asshole.

 

Copying 95% of the comic verbatim helped Watchmen immensely, as it limited the number of forehead-palming Snyder moments (though I do think nixing the alien invasion aspect was a smart move). He didn't have the crutch of straightforward source material with Man of Steel, and he's not the kind of director who's going to go back and improve story beats/dialogue. I will say though I still think he's a smart choice for an adaptation if you can get a Rodriquez/Miller level of involvement.

post #1460 of 4727

Whoever Synders DP is accounts for maybe 70 percent of his effectiveness as a director. 

post #1461 of 4727

What's the other 30%? The cleft chin?

post #1462 of 4727

He can frame and block some pretty beautiful stuff.  The scene of Clark and Lane slowly spinning as they float to the ground is absolutely lovely.  It's full of little moments that make me go "Wow.  That's absolutely beautiful.  I wish I was as emotionally engaged by this story as I am these occasional images, and this would be an AWESOME movie." 

post #1463 of 4727

Now that we have gritty Superman I can finally sell my gritty Plastic Man script!

 

At the end he coils around the bad guys neck and pops his head off like a champagne cork.  Then he says something about the guy "losing his head" (pause for laughter) and goes to brood on a rooftop.

post #1464 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

I liked Watchmen more than Man of Steel. Of the two properties that Snyder didn't really seem to understand, I think he bungled Watchmen more satisfyingly.

Or maybe I'm a complete asshole.

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Can someone else please tell Bradito that he's a complete asshole? I like him too much.
post #1465 of 4727
I still like the film I can’t wait for another viewing. For all the people talking about the collateral damage/Casualties of the fight in this film I say fuck it if you stuck it out when the aliens showed up after they announced “To Kal-El I say this Surrender in 24hrs or watch this world suffer the consequences” on every Earth frequency they could override in every langue they could translate to then you deserved to die in the worst possible way. If you saw the ship and did not head out of the City of Metropolis immediately I hope Zod flew at you at top speed and removed you from the gene pool. It is like Mars Attacks in the context of the film they had it coming. Metropolis is basically the equivalent of all the idiots who gathered to hear the Mars Ambassador speak a second time in Washington.
post #1466 of 4727
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I liked Watchmen more than Man of Steel. Of the two properties that Snyder didn't really seem to understand, I think he bungled Watchmen more satisfyingly.

Or maybe I'm a complete asshole.

This I cannot abide as Man of Steel is a dumb but largely inoffensive film, whereas Watchmen is a travesty mounted on a dildo.

By the by, I had nothing going on this afternoon so I took in MoS for a matinee. Guess what? Zack Snyder is still a dumb filmmaker, but yes, it played better the second time.

Watchmen isn't allowed to be a pretty and pretty fun but dumb film, MoS kind of is by virtue of being a pulp adventure. I am not excusing anything, only saying that the potholes in the road are more navigable when you know they're there.

Cavill is still a really good Superman in a film that never really allows him to be a great Superman.
post #1467 of 4727
Also, killing Zod still doesn't work b/c MoS never indicates that Clark has an issue with killing, only that he wouldn't necessarily splatter a drunken asshole trucker's head for a douche offense.
post #1468 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Zweit View Post

Now that we have gritty Superman I can finally sell my gritty Plastic Man script!

 

At the end he coils around the bad guys neck and pops his head off like a champagne cork.  Then he says something about the guy "losing his head" (pause for laughter) and goes to brood on a rooftop.

Oddly enough, the Wachowski siblings wrote a pretty hardcore Plastic Man script before The Matrix that never got made. Here's a script review from ten years ago.

post #1469 of 4727
I want someone to edit the church scene to show the lusty eyed priest swallowing the lump in his throat just from super hot Clark walking in. "Praise God, I've wanted this since you were eight...teen...eighteen."
post #1470 of 4727
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I want someone to edit the church scene to show the lusty eyed priest swallowing the lump in his throat just from super hot Clark walking in. "Praise God, I've wanted this since you were eight...teen...eighteen."

Ew gross.
post #1471 of 4727

Why?  That's legal. 

post #1472 of 4727
Popping in to say I liked it quite a bit, but didn't really CARE so much for anything that happened. And I DID have a problem with the wanton devastation and Supes killing Zod.

The main thing I got from this? Snyder - of whom I'm not the biggest fan (but who did a lovely, if flawed IMO, job here) - is the perfect director for Metal Gear Solid film. He gets the over-the-top silliness Kojima creates and does it with the straight face the material requires.
post #1473 of 4727

He would be ideally suited to video game movies.  I'd pay to see his adaptation of MGS1. 

post #1474 of 4727
The Metal Gear thing was on my mind THE WHOLE time. He has the visual flair for it and he would totally meld with Kojima's childlike characters and plotlines. This comes from someone who WORSHIPS the games, btw. Never thought I'd want so much for a director I don't like to become attached to a property I like so much. But Snyder would be perfect for it.
post #1475 of 4727

Saw it 30 minutes ago

 

Absolutely loved it.

Action was totally thrilling and well handled

ALL performances top notch

 

Cannot rate it highly enough.

Whatever the case....

 

hater gotta hate

Morons gotta umm mourn

 

Just loved the movie

 

I did try to watch Superman 1 and 2 well before this

Totally unwatchable

 

Badly dated and very poorly acted

post #1476 of 4727
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Kojima's childlike characters and plotlines


Exactly my problem with the series.  It went so far up it's own ass that it came out and started doing loops. 

post #1477 of 4727
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I did try to watch Superman 1 and 2 well before this

Totally unwatchable

 

Badly dated and very poorly acted

 

That awkward moment when someone shares your viewpoint on a movie and then finishes their post with something that causes your teeth to grind together.

 

Superman 1 and 2 are dated but they are certainly not badly acted. Christopher Reeve should have gotten an Oscar for those dual performances, and there's a reason Stamp's Zod is so iconic. Finally, Gene Hackman is (ironically) a God amongst men, whose Lex Luthor is both amusing and menacing (unfortunately he's more of the former than the latter but that's not the actor's fault). I completely miss that man's presence in movies but hope that he's enjoying his retirement to the fullest.

post #1478 of 4727

Don't worry, he is...

 

post #1479 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Warlock1459 View Post

I still like the film I can’t wait for another viewing. For all the people talking about the collateral damage/Casualties of the fight in this film I say fuck it if you stuck it out when the aliens showed up after they announced “To Kal-El I say this Surrender in 24hrs or watch this world suffer the consequences” on every Earth frequency they could override in every langue they could translate to then you deserved to die in the worst possible way. If you saw the ship and did not head out of the City of Metropolis immediately I hope Zod flew at you at top speed and removed you from the gene pool. It is like Mars Attacks in the context of the film they had it coming. Metropolis is basically the equivalent of all the idiots who gathered to hear the Mars Ambassador speak a second time in Washington.

Nobody but the audience knew the aliens would hit Metropolis first (because Superman) so are you suggesting they should have evacuated every city on earth?  

post #1480 of 4727

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Originally Posted by OzRod View Post

Saw it 30 minutes ago

 

Absolutely loved it.

Action was totally thrilling and well handled

ALL performances top notch

 

Cannot rate it highly enough.

Whatever the case....

 

hater gotta hate

Morons gotta umm mourn

 

Just loved the movie

 

I did try to watch Superman 1 and 2 well before this

Totally unwatchable

 

Badly dated and very poorly acted


It's like Fleed except the egregiously bad opinions are in haiku form.

post #1481 of 4727

After getting into all this detail and going so inside baseball, I feel like we expect a lot more from people joining the conversation then "I thought it was awesome, the old movies sucked!"

 

Just kind of throwing your point of view in the most superficial form possible at us doesn't add to or inform the dialogue. 

post #1482 of 4727

I'm with Freeman. From this point onward, we will only accept posts with a detailed analysis about why you liked/disliked the movie, or ones which contain pictures where I can see Amy Adams' knickers.

post #1483 of 4727

knickers or knockers?

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post #1485 of 4727

Knickers, Andy Bain! This is a PG-13 thread!

post #1486 of 4727


There are exceptions.

post #1487 of 4727

She'd make a great Inga.

post #1488 of 4727

Aplogies

 

Tend not to ramble

Mistakes I make

 

Shutting up now
 

post #1489 of 4727

Sorry to induce an awkward moment.

I tend to think that my wording was way too harsh. I just found that both of those films annoyed me intensely. Which was disappointing, as I was looking forward to rediscovering them.

So I cannot understand the hating of MoS.  Which I found to be a truly enthralling ride.

Maybe it is just the anti-Snyder stupidity, that is so prevalent around people, who think they can do better. But just have no idea.

 

I least my piss poor haiku attempts raised a heckle.. or schmekle or whatever.

 

Cheers

post #1490 of 4727

Basically the reasoning for disliking this movie is that the pacing is poor (I was getting REALLY ancy in the theater, NEVER a sign of good pacing) and Superman doesn't act at all like Superman, and goes directly against what Superman is at many points, ie. Stealing, killing, causing massive collateral damage or failing to even attempt to contain it etc.

post #1491 of 4727

"Ancy?" You mean "antsy?"

 

Jesus, Freeman.

post #1492 of 4727
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Basically the reasoning for disliking this movie is that the pacing is poor (I was getting REALLY ancy in the theater, NEVER a sign of good pacing) and Superman doesn't act at all like Superman, and goes directly against what Superman is at many points, ie. Stealing, killing, causing massive collateral damage or failing to even attempt to contain it etc.

 

COUNTER ARGUMENT:

 

Basically the reasoning for liking this movie is that the pacing is great (I was REALLY enthralled by the whole movie and was disappointed when it was over) and we finally get a relatable Superman who acts more like a human than a God, ie. getting angry, being afraid, making mistakes, not understanding where he came from or what he has to do etc. Oh and he finally gets to punch people like in the comics!  It's the second best Superman movie ever and it's fantastic!

post #1493 of 4727

The pacing never bothered me at all. loved it from start to finish.

 

Sorry that your superchrist bothered you
 

post #1494 of 4727

The pacing in this movie was not an issue I had, for the most part. I had problems with the way the characters were handled, but I was never really bored or put-off-- until Zod rose from the ashes of the terraforming machine in Metropolis to duke it out with Superman for another fucking twenty minutes.

 

I think this film would've been better served, and more liked, if Zod had just been sucked up into the Phantom Zone with the rest of his goons.

post #1495 of 4727
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Basically the reasoning for disliking this movie is that the pacing is poor (I was getting REALLY ancy in the theater, NEVER a sign of good pacing) and Superman doesn't act at all like Superman, and goes directly against what Superman is at many points, ie. Stealing, killing, causing massive collateral damage or failing to even attempt to contain it etc.

Okay I'm going to put all my thoughts on the movie out there. First, I'm going to start off with I absolutely loved it, it is everything I've wanted from a Superman movie and I'm a huge fan of Superman I and II.  On first viewing I didn't have a problem with the pacing, on the second viewing however it did feel it dragged a little towards the end. I thought for the most part that the characters were handled well. I like this version of Lois. She isn't treated like she is stupid and I love that she is in on the game, knowing who Superman is from the start. I've seen comments about how Zod and co could have talked to Kal about helping them rebuild Krypton and such but the problem there is that they, especially Zod weren't interested in rebuilding Krypton somewhere else, he wanted to do it on earth which was going to destroy humanity in the process, of course Superman wasn't going to be on board with that. I also had a problem with the way Pa Kent's death was carried out, I understand the theme and the message they were trying to convey but it failed in it's execution.

 

Now on Superman not acting like Superman, read the earlier action comics. Superman used to do all manners of fucked up shit, but be that as it may. The collateral damage and not attempting to contain it I will place solely on this was his first time out against beings that were just as strong as he is. It's easy to get caught up in the moment and go to it. How many of us get something absolutely right the first time we try it. The only way I see this as being a problem is if he does the same thing in the sequel. Hopefully they take this as it was a learning experience and in the sequel we get a Superman that is a little bit closer to the Superman we all know and love today. I think for him to be flawless and do everything right his first time out would have been slightly pandering, like he should be all together right from the start because that is what we expect. I like the fact that there is a learning curve. 

post #1496 of 4727
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There are exceptions.

 

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She'd make a great Inga.

 


*Pauses first viewing of Young Frankenstein to come back to this thread and say:*

 

Now I know what the hell you two are babbling about.

post #1497 of 4727
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I'm with Freeman. From this point onward, we will only accept posts with a detailed analysis about why you liked/disliked the movie, or ones which contain pictures where I can see Amy Adams' knickers.

So I have to provide a paragraph about seeing Cavill's bulge in IMAX? Be right back!
post #1498 of 4727
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I'm with Freeman. From this point onward, we will only accept posts with a detailed analysis about why you liked/disliked the movie, or ones which contain pictures where I can see Amy Adams' knickers.

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post #1499 of 4727
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Nobody but the audience knew the aliens would hit Metropolis first (because Superman) so are you suggesting they should have evacuated every city on earth?  

 

I'm saying the cities should have been on high alert at least. I'm also sure that some cell phone footage of the smallville fight would have found its way to the news networks. If the military did not try organize some kind of evacuation when they plotted to create the singularity over a city the size of New York then what the hell. They where tacking his ships movement so they knew where he was heading. This film could have benefited greatly from 6 seconds of dialog Satcom Tech: “General the ship is holding over metropolis.” General:” Lets evacuate the city.” When I get time for a second viewing I plan of keeping an eye\ear out it to see if it was something I missed. Regardless a clearly defined threat was issued by Zod if you stuck it out in your Lexcorp high-rise rather then get out of the high populated areas that would most likely see an attack then yea you had it coming. It’s not like V where the visitors “come in peace” or ID4 where they just show up and people are not sure of intention, so they are trying to welcome a possible future ally from space. It is Mars Attack or I come in peace where the alien already attacked and is still saying I come in peace. Zod clearly stated that if he did not get his way the earth would suffer and they already hit a small town in Kansas time to pack up and head for more secure ground.
post #1500 of 4727
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Originally Posted by Warlock1459 View Post

I'm saying the cities should have been on high alert at least. I'm also sure that some cell phone footage of the smallville fight would have found its way to the news networks. If the military did not try organize some kind of evacuation when they plotted to create the singularity over a city the size of New York then what the hell. They where tacking his ships movement so they knew where he was heading. This film could have benefited greatly from 6 seconds of dialog Satcom Tech: “General the ship is holding over metropolis.” General:” Lets evacuate the city.” When I get time for a second viewing I plan of keeping an eye\ear out it to see if it was something I missed. Regardless a clearly defined threat was issued by Zod if you stuck it out in your Lexcorp high-rise rather then get out of the high populated areas that would most likely see an attack then yea you had it coming. It’s not like V where the visitors “come in peace” or ID4 where they just show up and people are not sure of intention, so they are trying to welcome a possible future ally from space. It is Mars Attack or I come in peace where the alien already attacked and is still saying I come in peace. Zod clearly stated that if he did not get his way the earth would suffer and they already hit a small town in Kansas time to pack up and head for more secure ground.

Jesus Christ. You guys are banned from watching the next Man of Steel movie. Maybe all superhero movies in general. I haven't decided yet.

Do you guys even get what a summer blockbuster is? They're not making Beasts of the Southern Wild, Black Swan or The Artist. There making a fun action movie to entertain. There is a little thing called the suspension of belief where small problems in the plot should be ignored. This isn't like Star Trek or World War Z where there are alot of problems in the plotting, to the point it is obviously awful. These are small nitpicking and this is getting very old.
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