No corpse-rape in WRONG TURN!

Yikes.

Can you fill us in on the Lumber Mill scene? What was it about?

no corpse rape scene? well there goes their Academy award

For shame.

Can I interest you in Street Trash, or something by Hart "F." Fisher Esq. ?

Yeah, Stan Winston has a lot to answer for! Everyone knows you can't call a movie hardcore without a good corpse fucking! What kind of weak scam is he trying to pull?

But seriously...I think anyone taking this movie to task for not being "hardcore" really needs to reevaluate both their life and their movie-going standards. As a fan of all things depraved, I can list any number of films that are seedier, gorier and more sadistic than Wrong Turn.

And yet I enjoyed Wrong Turn as a fairly extreme horror movie by mainstream standards. Many fans forget that as fans we choose to seek out and expose ourselves to the most punishing and nihilistic films out there. We've seen everything from Audition and Ichi: The Killer to I Spit on Your Grave and Last House on the Left to Maniac, Make Them Die Slowly, Bloodsucking Freaks, Cannibal Holocaust, and SS Hell Camp (well, actually I might be the only person to have seen that atrocity). Anyhow, the point is that as a fan I don't expect an R-rated American horror film to surpass in perversity the kind of films I've gone out of my way to see. And I'm not complaining.

Sooner or later as a fan you have to realize you've come to the point where if you haven't seen it all you might as well have. Once you've gotten around to watching Nekromantik how many more taboos are left to see broken on screen? At that point you're ready to graduate onto snuff films and who really wants to do that?

I think it's important for fans to realize that very few horror films are made with the intention to out shock the mere hundred or so people in the world that have chosen to expose themselves to the most venal films the world has to offer. That's what would be called a losing battle.

When I check out mainstream horror films - whether from the US or abroad - I'm out to appreciate them on their own level. I realize that my experience with hardcore horror has jaded me to an extent beyond what's common so that it's really not the fault of a movie like Wrong Turn for not taking things beyond all the sick shit I've purposely gone out of my way to expose myself to.

When horror fans complain about a movie like Wrong Turn which features such sights as a woman with her mouth ripped open with razor wire, that same body dismembered on a table, two decapitations, and an arrow through the eye, it's like a serial killer saying "Oh - you call this gory? Please!"

You could complain about the plot, of course, as some have done - but then again is "plot" what this movie's about in the first place? Killer hillbillies making stew out of pretty teens is about as generic and story-free as you're likely to get.

But formula horror films are are part of the horror film experience. It's always the right time for a straight-forward body count film - the fact that it's been done before isn't an issue - that's the whole appeal of it, in fact.

After Twitch of the Death Nerve and Black Christmas was there technically any reason for Halloween or Friday the 13th to exist? Genre films (not just horror but comedies, sci-fi and action films as well) are all about retreading ideas and much of the fun - to me - of being a genre fan is seeing the same plots endlessly refitted to play to different eras with different fashions and cultural sensibilties.

Otherwise there's only probably about nintey films in the history of cinema that we'd have to see before we'd seen it all. And how fun would that be?

Still... a corpse rape would have been cool.

Can you really 'rape' a corpse?

I'm not broken up about the omission of the corpse rape scene much. These staged scenes are never as satisfying as the real thing, anyway.

I second that comment...

You make a good point Dolarhyde, but you aren't taking into consideration that winston himself seemed to be pumping this film up as "hardcore" to the die hards you seem to be referring to. Disappointmnet in terms of the films intensity, in thi light, seems appropriate.

Well...yes and no.

First off I think any pre-release hype from filmmakers about their film turns out to be 80% hot air. We know this. In a just world we could hold filmmakers to everything they promise but unfortunately we live in a world that's far from just.

And in terms of the films Wrong Turn is out to emulate - TCM, Hills Have Eyes, and other backwoods slaughter films - it's a fact that it's technically more explicit than its predecessors so I don't think it's such a watered-down effort on that count.

The fact that it's gorier but far less intense than those earlier films is just one more example that all the gore FX in the world isn't the last word in how to scare an audience.

And as for being "hardcore" I have to assume that Winston isn't a huge fan of films like the Guinea Pig series or other films that leave Wrong Turn - in terms of truly sickening content - in the dust so when Winston says he's making a "hardcore" horror film, I suspect off the bat that his frame of reference is slightly different than what some of us would say. Everything's relative.

The late critic Pauline Kael gave an interview in her later years and she had a great insight into the major failing of many critics. I'm paraphrasing here but she said something to the effect that critics make the mistake of expecting the audience to be at the same point they are in terms of their cinematic experiences.

And I think that's how a lot of horror fans are - they resent the fact that most horror films are made for the wider audience that hasn't saturated themselves with every obscure, brutal movie they can find.

Wrong Turn isn't a great movie. But I just think some horror fans have unreasonable expectations about how they should be catered to.

I think it's worth considering that it might not have even been possible for them to include this scene in the movie. If I was to hazard a guess, I would say that the MPAA would X even the suggestion of a corpse being screwed. Forget a ten minute fully-lit sequence of three hillbillies going to town on various chunks of meat, hairy asses merrily bouncing up and down centered in frame ... even just a closeup of our hiding heroes, eyes wide in terror, as you hear the *sounds* of something like this would probably get an X rating. At which point WRONG TURN earns about ten grand from the six art houses across the country it gets shown in, rather than the 'whopping' six million or whatever.

I'm not so much upset about a lack of corpse fucking than I am about a lack of respect the filmmakers have to the money paying horror fans.

Some intense scenes would be nice, not just gore, but some "taboo" scenes...push the envelope.

The decapitation was sweet though...

Geez, Dolarhyde you sure writes purdy. You're one of the few on the board that I consider able to compose a post that long that remains credible, intelligent and readable all the way through.

Corpse fucking? I never thought I would find a reason to put those two words together in sentence let alone have it even be implied in a major market movie. And what is the deal with the deleted lumberhouse scene or whatever it is. I NEED TO KNOW!

And why do I visualize Niles Crane whenever I read one of Dolarhyde's posts?

Would it have been a demented creepy scene, yes. they didn't include it cause of obvious reasons. one being a rape scene is never, ever cool. most of the time it doesn't even advance or add to the story. its only their to show how evil the villian(s) are. which is a cheap way of doing something like that and i like alan's writing.

At least there were no dead raped deer.

I'm going to jump on the 'yikes' band wagon...

If you really want to see a raped corpse, rent a faux snuff film. We don't need shit like this in horror films. Or any films, for that matter.

Hee hee

Is there any room left on the Yikes bandwagon?

If there is I'll gladly join you guys.

You know I'm all for the screw driver in the eye or ear, or as much gore as possible, but corpse fucking well... not to judge there.... but you guys might consider therapy. I personally don’t know what more this could have brought to this movie.

Cheers!

Corpses are the only dates I can get. I needed that rape scene to give me some pointers!!

Make room for me too on the yikes bandwagon.
(edited because I posted a little late for my comment to make sense)

Corpse raping?......Nope, not even gonna touch that one......

I hope there's room for one more 'yikes'.

I would have to second that recomendation for some corpse fucking, if you really need it that badly in your "hardcore" horror film. Also, Unearthed is releasing 'Aftermath' later this year, so be on the look out for that, as well. That's corpse fucking for the connosieur.

Now, as far as corpse fucking in 'Wrong Turn' goes, I'm really glad it was removed. I honestly think it would've (assuming is somehow got past the MPAA) taken the film to a level that a lot of people, horror and non-horror fans alike, never want to go to.

I dig sick and twisted stuff as much as the next cat, but necro-lovin ain't my bag and shouldn't be yours. Rape is something that should never ever be put in a movie.
I have always felt it works best off-screen. Yes, even in "Deliverance."

Sorry, don't see the injustice. Corpse rape is lame.

Look, there's a difference between something that's implied and something that's complete overt.

We all know that, right? Horror has been a battleground for this kind of filmmaking.

As far as the corpse-screwin' is concerned in "Wrong Turn" - I don't think it would've knocked the film down a notch. The way Alan had written it in the script was disturbing, gut wrenching, but over-all absolutely terrifying.

Had it remained in the film do you really think we'd see this giant ox of a man grinding away on a girl's corpse like, say, Biggs and his apple pie in "American Pie"? I think not.

As it played out in the script (hazy recollection, folks)...after the girl's body is tossed on the floor to confirm she's dead, the body is thrown on the bed (supported by the fact that we see a bloody arm hanging over the side). Harrington and Dushku are UNDER the bed. Cowering, holding each other tightly to control themselves. Then the bed springs above them start to rock n' roll. WE KNOW what's going on. Do we see it? No way. But it's that tried and true reliance on the audiences' imagination to conjure up the unimaginable.

Would I have enjoyed seeing the scene in the final film? No. You can't enjoy something like that.

Had it been left in, would it make my skin crawl and horrify me in a way no horror film has in many a year? Absolutely, that's why I go to these types of films. To stir my emotions. Freak me out.

I would have welcomed a nasty necro scene in Wrong Turn, but the movie didn't need it. There was enough gore and shocks to keep me happy.

i dont understand how fucking a corpse (i mean honestly, do you think the corpse MINDS?) is worse than watching someone be brutally murdered. i think the guy w/ the screwdriver in his eye is suffering more than the corpse w/ the thing in its... well, you know what i mean. i dont think either party needs therapy, they just like to watch fucked up movies. remember movies, those things that are make believe and not actually stabbing or raping anybody?

i didn't see Wrong Turn, so im not sure why i'm even here.

Quick note...

The 'yikes' bandwagon is officially full!

watch out, the yikes bandwagon is being tailed by a station wagon full of necrophiliacs!

this is the most ridiculous fucking imagery I've ever been involved with and I wash my hands of it.

isn't it impossible to rape a corpse??? I guess you could put it in a wagon and push the wagon down a small hill, chase after it, kick the wagon over and then proceede to stain the corpse.......but wouldn't that be more of a corpse-car jacking??

I must third that.

So, what'll the third bandwagon be?

The third bandwagon shall be: REO BANDWAGON!

I'm gonna keep on fuckingyourcorpseafteryou'redead

because it's the only thing I wanna do ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh

I don't wanna sleep

I just wanna keep on fuckingyourcorpseafteryou'redead

Ass is officially laughed off.

I was about to post that maybe this guy was being sarcastic in his first post, but he made another post that sort-of explained himself. So all is good.

Uh-oh.

The Yikes bandwagon is being run off the road by another vehicle: The "corpse fucking is ok if it is done tastefully" PT Cruiser!!!!

I smell a huge debate coming...

There is no way to do corpse sex tastefully but if it was done the way Ryan described it I think it certainly would have been horrifying. That horrified feeling is why some people go to these movies in the first place. Now don't get me wrong. I don't really need or want to see that scene either but one thing that disturbed me a lot was the scene of inbreed sex on the X-Files episode 'Home'. The three inbred sons all have an implied go at their amputee mother. Now that gave me a sickened feeling in the pit of my stomach that Wrong Turn didn't. I believe congress held hearings and the V-chip was born because that episode was too taboo and crossed the line for TV. Would that scene have given 'Wrong Turn' an NC-17 even if it was implied?

Since the "Yikes" wagon is full, I'll start the "Holy shit!" bandwagon. Hop on in.

Imagine, though, if that scene had somehow managed to sneak its way into the movie. Imagine, all of the kids who also manage to sneak their way into movies like this. Most of the time, half the theater is composed of kids under fifteen.

Their horrified, violated, traumatized shrieks could have been sadistically amusing..

And I still haven't seen this movie. Dammit.

On a similar topic..

Can you rape a zombie? Cute one of course!

And would you be able to finish before it finished you?

"Ah yeah baby, ahhh ahhhh ARRRRGHHHHH!!!!" *THUD*

I read a Conan story that had a zombie girl in it, but she apparently looked very hot, but her body was ice cold. Conan, the zombie woman, and some princess had a threesome in the desert. No joke.

Well if anyone can canoodle with a zombie it's Conan.

I would have loved to have seen that the way Ryan described it. It would have sickened, horrified, and disgusted me to no end. So I would have given the movie a few more points.