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What is the appeal of Jason Voorhees? 

 

Frankly, it's hard to put into words. I've loved the character and the Friday the 13th movies since I was too young to be watching them, but as I've gotten older they're harder and harder to watch. It's summer time, after all, and as a big horror buff I start getting in the mood for Camp Crystal Lake shenanigans, but picking and choosing which movie to watch is complicated because most of them just aren't any good. 

 

What I always return to, and the one I watched recently, is Part VI: Jason Lives. This is one of the few that could be said to be an actual movie movie, and not just a gore fest with porno flick level production values. What's funny, however, is that although JL has a solid story with fun dialogue, likable actors and characters, and a competent sense of direction and geography, what really puts it over the top is that it finally injects the series with a bit of subtext. That is to say, this is a Friday the 13th that is actually about something.

 

The horror genre is usually thought of as being low brow, and therefore doesn't always get the academic attention it deserves. Of course it depends on the movie, as horror is certainly a divisive genre with the likes of Rosemary's Baby (1968), The Exorcist (1973), and even Silence of the Lambs (1991) achieving levels of critical success but the slasher genre in particular is viewed with a dismissive eye by most intellectuals. That's unfortunate, because the most fascinating, engaging, and lasting horror icons are the ones that go beyond the visceral and tap into something primal. The problem is, however, Jason Voorhes and his movies appear to be all surface and are, in many ways, happy accidents. So what were they tapping into back in the '80s that resulted in eight movies in a decade, and four more since then? 

 

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974), Halloween (1978), A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984), and Hellraiser (1987) all deal with stories, locales, and characters that are rewarding in thrills but more importantly in connotations. TCM deals with the perversity of cannibalism and the limits of the human body; Halloween is the false sense of security of the suburbs and the existential implications of earlier pagan practices; ANOES takes the infiltration of the suburbs even further by heightening the tensions between generations with the sins of the parents coming back to haunt the children; and Hellraiser tackles taboo while suggesting the Final Girl isn't really all that innocent. 

 

Boiled down to their bases, the movies work because the antagonists mean something in their looks, their outfits and their weapons, and their actions. Leatherface is a butcher of humans, reducing them to just animals, with elements of gay panic in his drag; Michael's blank visage is the abyss while his butcher knife is a subversion of the suburban house wife's kitchen; Freddy's hat, Christmas sweater, and burnt skin are so contradictory as to create cognitive dissonance, while his glove is simultaneously animal and intimate; and Pinhead is so much bondage gear and self-mutilation while carrying himself with an air of regal majesty. How does Jason Voorhees compare?

 

The hockey mask. There's no real thematic reason for why it works, and yet it does. Does it harken back to warriors, or are the red markings like war paint? Barbara Creed, in her required reading The Monstrous Feminine: Film, Feminism, Psychoanalysis, doesn't discuss Jason very much but does go into detail about the woods setting. Everything from Deliverance to Evil Dead to Cabin in the Woods suggests that not only is the trouble people encounter in this setting a personification of nature's wrath, but modern iterations of the old pilgrim fear of Native Americans that will rape and murder you if you venture too far away from civilization. So is Jason, with his machete that hints at the jungle, playing upon our collective tribal associations? 

 

I'll let this simmer a little more because I'm going on too long. It's ironic, however, that now my favorite movies in the series are the ones that are really about the series (Jason Lives, Jason X, Freddy vs. Jason), with the meta ramped up and the self-awareness firmly in check. What's the appeal, however, of sitting down to watch, say, Part IV: The Final Chapter without any baggage or history? What makes Jason so appealing?


Edited by Bartleby_Scriven - 7/19/13 at 2:08am
post #2 of 1212
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What is the appeal of Jason Voorhes? 

 

Frankly, it's hard to put into words. I've loved the character and the Friday the 13th movies since I was too young to be watching them, but as I've gotten older they're harder and harder to watch. It's summer time, after all, and as a big horror buff I start getting in the mood for Camp Crystal Lake shenanigans, but picking and choosing which movie to watch is complicated because most of them just aren't any good. 

 

What I always return to, and the one I watched recently, is Part VI: Jason Lives. This is one of the few that could be said to be an actual movie movie, and not just a gore fest with porno flick level production values. What's funny, however, is that although JL has a solid story with fun dialogue, likable actors and characters, and a competent sense of direction and geography, what really puts it over the top is that it finally injects the series with a bit of subtext. That is to say, this is a Friday the 13th that is actually about something.

 

The horror genre is usually thought of as being low brow, and therefore doesn't always get the academic attention it deserves. Of course it depends on the movie, as horror is certainly a divisive genre with the likes of Rosemary's Baby (1968), The Exorcist (1973), and even Silence of the Lambs (1991) achieving levels of critical success but the slasher genre in particular is viewed with a dismissive eye by most intellectuals. That's unfortunate, because the most fascinating, engaging, and lasting horror icons are the ones that go beyond the visceral and tap into something primal. The problem is, however, Jason Voorhes and his movies appear to be all surface and are, in many ways, happy accidents. So what were they tapping into back in the '80s that resulted in eight movies in a decade, and four more since then? 

 

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974), Halloween (1978), A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984), and Hellraiser (1987) all deal with stories, locales, and characters that are rewarding in thrills but more importantly in connotations. TCM deals with the perversity of cannibalism and the limits of the human body; Halloween is the false sense of security of the suburbs and the existential implications of earlier pagan practices; ANOES takes the infiltration of the suburbs even further by heightening the tensions between generations with the sins of the parents coming back to haunt the children; and Hellraiser tackles taboo while suggesting the Final Girl isn't really all that innocent. 

 

Boiled down to their bases, the movies work because the antagonists mean something in their looks, their outfits and their weapons, and their actions. Leatherface is a butcher of humans, reducing them to just animals, with elements of gay panic in his drag; Michael's blank visage is the abyss while his butcher knife is a subversion of the suburban house wife's kitchen; Freddy's hat, Christmas sweater, and burnt skin are so contradictory as to create cognitive dissonance, while his glove is simultaneously animal and intimate; and Pinhead is so much bondage gear and self-mutilation while carrying himself with an air of regal majesty. How does Jason Voorhes compare?

 

The hockey mask. There's no real thematic reason for why it works, and yet it does. Does it harken back to warriors, or are the red markings like war paint? Barbara Creed, in her required reading The Monstrous Feminine: Film, Feminism, Psychoanalysis, doesn't discuss Jason very much but does go into detail about the woods setting. Everything from Deliverance to Evil Dead to Cabin in the Woods suggests that not only is the trouble people encounter in this setting a personification of nature's wrath, but modern iterations of the old pilgrim fear of Native Americans that will rape and murder you if you venture too far away from civilization. So is Jason, with his machete that hints at the jungle, playing upon our collective tribal associations? 

 

I'll let this simmer a little more because I'm going on too long. It's ironic, however, that now my favorite movies in the series are the ones that are really about the series (Jason Lives, Jason X, Freddy vs. Jason), with the meta ramped up and the self-awareness firmly in check. What's the appeal, however, of sitting down to watch, say, Part IV: The Final Chapter without any baggage or history? What makes Jason so appealing?

 

 

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What is the appeal of Jason Voorhes? 

 

Frankly, it's hard to put into words. I've loved the character and the Friday the 13th movies since I was too young to be watching them, but as I've gotten older they're harder and harder to watch.

 

 

What makes Jason so appealing?

 

 

I pretty much feel the same way about the first part, in regards to all the horror icons I watched in general. It's hard to explain but the appeal (magic?) is fading with little incentive to revisit the old horror icons. It's a shame because all of them were a big part of my childhood. With Freddy it was the trippy dream sequences and his personality. With Michael, the idea that this pure evil force was out to get your ass and could not be stopped or reasoned with. Jason has the same appeal and characteristics as Michael but slightly different reasons. Both are these two were uncompromising forces. There's just something pure about it if that makes sense. No frills, no bullshit (for the most part "thorn cult..cough..cough"). But with Jason, it was always more about the horror spectacle for me. The gore and how the monster would be defeated basically. Jason was the bull in the china shop. He was wronged and you better get out of dodge or end up a bloody splatter. It was about how he would take out half the cast and also wondering how he'd be beaten in the end. The triumph over the unstoppable force I guess. Plus the tits of course. That's all I really needed as an idiot kid. When I got older it was more about "smarter" horror.          

post #3 of 1212

I don't like being that guy, but you forced my hand....

 

Please don't start a catch-all thread, one that will go on for many, many years, by having misspelled the name of the very character which it is celebrating...and in just the very first sentence, to boot.

 

That settled, I would also like to go even lower and start begging for one of the 2013 Comic-Con Exclusive NES Jason figures being given out this weekend. If anyone is attending and can trust a brother to pay them down the road...

 

post #4 of 1212

There is a 7 hour documentary covering the whole franchise (including the shitty series) coming out in the next couple of months. crystallakememories.net

post #5 of 1212
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I don't like being that guy, but you forced my hand....

 

Please don't start a catch-all thread, one that will go on for many, many years, by having misspelled the name of the very character which it is celebrating...and in just the very first sentence, to boot.

 

That settled, I would also like to go even lower and start begging for one of the 2013 Comic-Con Exclusive NES Jason figures being given out this weekend. If anyone is attending and can trust a brother to pay them down the road...

 

My bad. Edited for your reading pleasure.

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I. hated. this. game. So why does this look so fucking awesome to me? Put me in the category of someone who would buy this for a handsome(ish) price.

 

After many Shocktober, Monstervision and USA Up All Night viewings, as well as worn VHS tapes, DVDs and Blu Rays, I have decided Final Chapter and Jason Lives are my favorites. Final Chapter is the best of the "human" Jason films. Amazing Savini effects, Crispin Glover dancing, Lawrence Monoson shriek-laughing, as well as weird and bald Corey Feldman.

 

Part VI was the shot in the arm the series needed, poking fun at the premise, referencing other horror films, somehow making Tommy Jarvis whiny and a bad-ass, as well as being shot and lit unusually well for a Friday the 13th film. That movie gave the series momentum. And we were subsequently given The New Blood and Jason Takes Manhattan. *Sigh*

 

Did anyone have those books that came out in '93/'94? They're not canon but I think they were meant to take place sometime after Jason Goes To Hell. The titles were Mother's Day, Jason's Curse, The Carnival and Road Trip. They were Young Adult books but had some fairly gruesome kills, including children, something the film series never had the balls to do.


Edited by Mike J - 8/1/13 at 1:23am
post #7 of 1212
I have a weird affinity for "A New Beginning." It's just so schlocky and lurid and nonsensical. It's like the kind of movie Rob Zombie always thinks he's making.
post #8 of 1212

The Prince Charles Cinema in London did an all-nighter of Parts 1-8 and it was one of the greatest nights of my life. After watching these films at home god knows how many times, there was something special about watching them with a couple hundred other fans who knew all the kills and quotes.

 

*

post #9 of 1212
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I have a weird affinity for "A New Beginning." It's just so schlocky and lurid and nonsensical. It's like the kind of movie Rob Zombie always thinks he's making.


New Beginning has its strong points. There's some good kills and the tone of the whole thing is just so nasty. And I like John Shepherd as Tommy.

 

Still, on my first viewing when "Jason" was unmasked I was like "Wait, who?"


It also contains one of my all-time favorite bad movie moments: The newspaper clippings at the end, complete with a picture of Jason in action. What fearless photographer took that picture?

post #10 of 1212
New Beginning also stars Debi Sue Voorhees (no relation), who is easily my favorite of all Jason/Fake Jason's victims.
post #11 of 1212
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New Beginning also stars Debi Sue Voorhees (no relation), who is easily my favorite of all Jason/Fake Jason's victims.

 

Agreed.  She was real and spectacular.  

post #12 of 1212
Adrienne King remains my favorite Final Girl. She holds the distinction of having vanquished Mrs. Voorhees and been Jason's first on-screen victim.

I also met her at a convention once, and she was super-nice to me. Additional points there.
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New Beginning also stars Debi Sue Voorhees (no relation), who is easily my favorite of all Jason/Fake Jason's victims.

 

Ever hear what became of her? She became a teacher and her students found out about her past. They circulated the tits shot of her around the school, who in turn banned her from coming to graduation. A little reactionary, methinks.

 

 

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Adrienne King remains my favorite Final Girl. She holds the distinction of having vanquished Mrs. Voorhees and been Jason's first on-screen victim.

I also met her at a convention once, and she was super-nice to me. Additional points there.

 

It's all about Amy Steel for me:

 

post #14 of 1212
Part 2 does have one of my favorite moments when Steel is hiding in Jason's shanty, and through the window, you can see Jason outside running flat-out for the front door. Just a terrific "Oh, shit!" scare that the series eventually lost once Jason mastered the art of teleportation.
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There is a 7 hour documentary covering the whole franchise (including the shitty series) coming out in the next couple of months. crystallakememories.net

 

Interesting. His Name was Jason is also worth a watch ( Never Sleep Again while I am at it). But 7 hours! Hell, why not.

post #16 of 1212
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Part 2 does have one of my favorite moments when Steel is hiding in Jason's shanty, and through the window, you can see Jason outside running flat-out for the front door. Just a terrific "Oh, shit!" scare that the series eventually lost once Jason mastered the art of teleportation.

 

I've always loved that moment. I'm also fond of the brief glimpse we see of Jason running across the road and into the brush before the cop stops his car to give chase. It's so out of the blue and as a kid, I found it kind of unnerving.

 

Another seldom mentioned moment I've always enjoyed: During the final girl's getaway in Part 3, Jason is just standing awkwardly on the side of the road while the wind is blowing leaves everywhere. It's a spooky image that has always stuck with me.

 

Glad to see this thread created, as I was just checking on the status of a new Friday the 13th today (status: starting production in a month or so). I was lukewarm on the remake, but I appreciated the return to rustic Jason with no frills. If they can tone down the unlikable characters for next time and adjust the tone a bit (watch Part VI for some inspiration!), I'll be happy.

post #17 of 1212

Everyone knows about the new blu-ray boxset right?

post #18 of 1212
Anybody have the book, "Crystal Lake Memories?" Essential reading for fans. So many great anecdotes in there. Not sugar-coated, either. There's some real shit-talking and longstanding grudges among the cast, crew and creators.
post #19 of 1212

I borrowed it from a fellow CHUD-ite and went through it.  Really great stuff.

post #20 of 1212

Does anyone remember when they were seeking Patricia Clarkson out for Mrs. Voorhees in the remake? I remember thinking "That'll never happen." And it didn't. But I really admired their ambition.

post #21 of 1212

I remember getting the Crystal Lake Memories book in 2008 and powered through it in a few days. I re-read it over the course of this summer in anticipation of the documentary coming out. I luckily got in on getting an autographed copy from the website Dark Delicacies. It's not just one autograph either. It's supposed to be between 25-30 on the cover and the back. They haven't announced who's signing, but I'm hoping it's some of my favorites like Amy Steel, John Furey, Russell Todd, Paul Kratka, Dana Kimmell, Larry Zerner, Judie Aronson, Lawrence Monoson, and a few others. Debi-Sue Voorees would also be most appreciated!

 

 

I've always had a soft spot for part V for being a full on exploitation film. Plus it paved the way for this.

 

 

That is just brilliant.

 

 

Oh yeah, and count me in for loving those two scenes in Part 2 where Jason runs across the road quickly, and is shown in the back running towards the door while Ginny is in his shack. Parts 1-4 and to a lesser extent 5 just have that perfect tone and feel that makes them frightening, and that was all lost by part 6.

post #22 of 1212
I have an autographed copy as well. I got it at a 25th anniversary screening of the first film at Universal Citywalk -- a tourist hellscape if there ever was one. After the movie, there was a party where Jason hacked up a cake with a machete. Tons of actors and writers and directors were in attendance. The gal who played Annie in movie one was there and wrongly said she was honored to be Jason's first victim. She's not even the first to die in the movie and she's killed by Mrs. Voorhees. Duhhh!!!

She does have the best line, delivered to a dog: "Hey, girl... Excuse me. Hey, BOY!"
post #23 of 1212
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I don't like being that guy, but you forced my hand....

Please don't start a catch-all thread, one that will go on for many, many years, by having misspelled the name of the very character which it is celebrating...and in just the very first sentence, to boot.

That settled, I would also like to go even lower and start begging for one of the 2013 Comic-Con Exclusive NES Jason figures being given out this weekend. If anyone is attending and can trust a brother to pay them down the road...



A buddy picked one of these up for me at Comic Con. I'm not a big figure collector, but this figure/package is just so damn cool! I love the mock Nintendo cartridge box packaging.
post #24 of 1212
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I have an autographed copy as well. I got it at a 25th anniversary screening of the first film at Universal Citywalk -- a tourist hellscape if there ever was one. After the movie, there was a party where Jason hacked up a cake with a machete. Tons of actors and writers and directors were in attendance. The gal who played Annie in movie one was there and wrongly said she was honored to be Jason's first victim. She's not even the first to die in the movie and she's killed by Mrs. Voorhees. Duhhh!!!

She does have the best line, delivered to a dog: "Hey, girl... Excuse me. Hey, BOY!"

 

 

The first 4 movies are filled with tons of great lines. Part 3 in particular and a lot are by Rick. "You know I'm just a dumb country boy!" "I missed out on spending the weekend with THE MARY JO CONRAD."

 

 

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A buddy picked one of these up for me at Comic Con. I'm not a big figure collector, but this figure/package is just so damn cool! I love the mock Nintendo cartridge box packaging.

 

 

You're too lucky, man. I really want one of those.

post #25 of 1212

Wouldn't you know, there's a 25th anniversary screening of "Friday the 13th VII: A New Blood" at the New Beverly this Saturday at midnight. Lar Park Lincoln, Kane Hodder, Bernie Fucking Lomax! I'm so there.

post #26 of 1212
Thread Starter 

I watched The Final Chapter on Netflix Instant (all the Paramount movies are up right now) and it's really fascinating from a historical perspective, and actually engaging as a movie on its own terms.

 

Devin Faraci talked about this extensively with his 10 Days of 13 a few years ago, but from the opening frame it's clear there's more money being thrown at this production. The lone ambulance from the end of 3-D is supplemented by about a dozen police cars and a helicopter, followed by an actual scene in a hospital. Crystal Lake, for the first time since the first movie, is given more of a sense of identity and civilization than the corner diner and convenience store. There's also a casual sense with every actor involved that they're just having good fun and making the most of a small thing. The paramedics, for instance, that take Jason to the morgue have a refreshing dynamic (it's clear that the girl is relatively new and shaken up), and I was relieved they got to walk off screen and survive! Maybe some day we'll get a graphic novel spinoff of the adventures of Crystal Lake paramedics...

 

I do own Crystal Lake Memories, and what I love about the behind the scenes of the series is it never felt cynical. Sean Cunningham & co. knew they were creating spook house rides with these movies and there's never any dishonesty about it. From the second movie onward, this is a series sustained by gimmick rather than mythology: Jason is avenging his mother, he's in 3-D, he's going to die, there's a copycat, he's back from the dead, fighting Carrie, taking Manhattan, going to Hell, going to space, fighting Freddy Krueger, aaaaaaaaannnnnnddddd reboot! While every movie has the same basic template with a twist, there's never a status quo. Like, for instance, the collective unconscious memory people have of these movies being about summer camp when Jason Lives is the only one to actually feature kids!

 

Still, for a gimmick based movie, The Final Chapter functions as a solidly made slasher without any sense of event or foreshadowing. There's no sense of inevitability or audience participation invited like Jason Goes to Hell, a movie that kills off its antagonist only to have 80 more minutes of discussion about how the title will be fulfilled. No, The Final Chapter is business as usual for Jason, who for the first time is taking on the kind of animal body language and behavior that makes him unique compared to Michael Myers. While a bumbling hillbilly in Part 2 and stiff spastic in Part 3, here he takes up the whole room with his jerky movements and tunnel vision focus. Major props to whoever came up with the nasty long fingernails, because those and Ted White's huge hands make any instance of Jason struggling with someone bristle with power. 

 

While the movie lags a bit in the middle, even if the teens are obviously having fun and there's a nice bit of nudity, the professional opening and frantic chase and confrontation at the end definitely put this one at the top of the heap. Like I mentioned, however, it's pretty counter-intuitive how these movies managed to keep getting churned out without advancing any sort of mythology. Jason is only barely explained (he's either a boy that never actually drowned but didn't bother to go home to the mom he's obsessed with or a boy that drowned and grew up underwater, huh wha?), and there's only subtextual elements connecting him to animal imagery and the Earth. With even a little bit of effort, with talent and passion, a lot could've been done to treat Jason like a Lennie from Of Mice and Men or a Swamp Thing type character, misunderstood and abused (Freddy vs. Jason takes a few seconds to entertain this) or even righteous in his defense of the land. It was the '80s, why not have greedy corporate types building on the land or dumping toxic waste into the lake?

 

In the end, it's very true that these movies are all about programming: how is Jason going to resurrect, how is he going to kill, and how is he going to die? Luckily, The Final Chapter optimized the formula. 

post #27 of 1212
"The Final Chapter" is my favorite of the bunch. I really like the complicated relationship between the nurse and the coroner. It felt like every office fling I've ever had, apart from the decapitation bit.
post #28 of 1212

"The Super Bowl of Self-Abuse" is a perfect line when you're in one of those love/hate pairings too!
 

post #29 of 1212
"Holy Jesus jumping Christmas shit!!!" is the best line in the series and in all of cinema.
post #30 of 1212

"Real cute girl."

 

"Was."

 

"Well she still is. All you gotta do is go over there take off your pants and.."

 

 

Gotta love he puts his donut on top of Jason's feet.

post #31 of 1212
You know Axel's a real creep because he watches the "20 Minute Workout," and talks back to it.
post #32 of 1212
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You know Axel's a real creep because he watches the "20 Minute Workout," and talks back to it.

What Fackler from Police Academy is actually watching is Aerobicise, which coincidentally features Darcy DeMoss aka Girl From Friday the 13th Part VI Who Gets Her Face Crushed Into The Bathroom Wall of An RV.

 

How I know that is not important.

post #33 of 1212
Hmm, my Google research had led me to believe it was the "20 Minute Workout," which sometimes featured the actress who played Sarah Connor's roommate Ginger in "The Terminator."

Fuck you, Google!
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Hmm, my Google research had led me to believe it was the "20 Minute Workout," which sometimes featured the actress who played Sarah Connor's roommate Ginger in "The Terminator."

Fuck you, Google!

 

But what happened to Pugsley the Iguana???

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But what happened to Pugsley the Iguana???


I'm frankly shocked McG didn't give him a cameo in the interest of more pointless fan service in Terminator Salvation.

post #36 of 1212
Careful, let's not veer too far off course. This was turning into an Axel The Coroner Appreciation Thread.

I bet Axel and Billy The Coke-Snorting Orderly from "A New Beginning" threw some bomb-ass parties back in the day.
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Careful, let's not veer too far off course. This was turning into an Axel The Coroner Appreciation Thread.

I bet Axel and Billy The Coke-Snorting Orderly from "A New Beginning" threw some bomb-ass parties back in the day.

 

I'm sure they invited all the ladies. As long as they didn't have "the curse."

post #38 of 1212
Especially not "The Voorhees Curse."

Jumping ahead a few movies, anybody know how the hell Creighton Duke in "Jason Goes to Hell" knew all that jazz about how to kill Jason and that Jason could jump from body to body? Is that what happens when you stick a hot dog in a donut?
post #39 of 1212
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Especially not "The Voorhees Curse."

Jumping ahead a few movies, anybody know how the hell Creighton Duke in "Jason Goes to Hell" knew all that jazz about how to kill Jason and that Jason could jump from body to body? Is that what happens when you stick a hot dog in a donut?

 

At one point there was a flashback scene that revealed while Duke was boating on Crystal Lake with his wife or girlfriend, Jason pulled her under and drowned her. He made it his mission to get revenge after that. As for where that falls in the timeline, I like to think it was after Chris was attacked by Jason (presumably before Part 2 but sporting his Part 3 look for some reason) but in between Tina using psychic powers to drown her dad and Rennie being thrown in the lake by her douche bag uncle so she could learn to swim.

 

So to answer your question I don't know.

post #40 of 1212
Where does the hot dog in a donut fall into this timeline?
post #41 of 1212
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Where does the hot dog in a donut fall into this timeline?


I think only a spin-off can answer that question.

post #42 of 1212
Backing up to "A New Beginning," what's the story with Reggie's brother, Demon? The dude just lives in his creepy van with his smoking hot girlfriend? They get stoned and eat enchiladas and sing two-worded song duets in and around shithouses?

There's such a wealth of fascinating characters in this series!
post #43 of 1212
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Backing up to "A New Beginning," what's the story with Reggie's brother, Demon? The dude just lives in his creepy van with his smoking hot girlfriend? They get stoned and eat enchiladas and sing two-worded song duets in and around shithouses?
 

 

You just stated my dream lifestyle. 

 

And why is Steven still wearing a letter jacket in Jason Goes To Hell when he's 30? Was high school THAT awesome for him?

post #44 of 1212
"Jason Takes Manhattan." Let's go there. So I've been to NYC once and didn't get the nickel tour. Do they really flood the sewer system with toxic waste that'll de-age you by several decades if you're immersed in it for a prolonged period of time? Seems unlikely.
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"Jason Takes Manhattan." Let's go there. So I've been to NYC once and didn't get the nickel tour. Do they really flood the sewer system with toxic waste that'll de-age you by several decades if you're immersed in it for a prolonged period of time? Seems unlikely.

 

In a city where barrels of toxic waste are left in alleys and ruffians are just waiting to jump unwitting tourists on the docks of Vancouver....I mean Manhattan, I like to think that ANYTHING is possible.

post #46 of 1212

He's been to New York. He's been to hell. He's been to space. He's been to Elm Street. He's been rebooted.

 

Now, he's going where he's never been before... found footage!

 

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/64426

post #47 of 1212

Holy No's!  The next one will be Jason's 13th film.  It needs to be something special.

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He's been to New York. He's been to hell. He's been to space. He's been to Elm Street. He's been rebooted.

 

Now, he's going where he's never been before... found footage!

 

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/64426

 

 

Just look at Part VI. It took the formula and had fun with it. And fuck it all, I'll say the same thing of Jason X, even if it gets a little too silly.  Instead, they're going with a gimmick AND they get to keep production costs down. Brilliant!

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Whatever, fuck it.
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The real question is will it be a sequel to the reboot? The old series? The New Line series? Its own reboot? I'm going to bed.

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