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post #1151 of 1212
Dope.
post #1152 of 1212
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Dope.

I get it!  Because he was the stoner! 

post #1153 of 1212
I like the idea of Jason showing up when "accidents" happen. A storyline with a pseudo-cult determined to see him in the flesh could even stage a sort of sacrifice at the lake to summon him.

Also, another Roy situation with a look alike hacking people in the first scene and Jason appears, has his way, and the media sensation that follows that could be in the film.

The only movie that recognized Jason as a supreme force of evil, and broadcast as a serial killer of the times was the series' worst film.
post #1154 of 1212
Thread Starter 

Some of those really bad Friday the 13th books came out when I was in high school and I actually read a few. In them, one particular author had this running theme of referring to Jason as "anti-life." Not evil per se, just outraged at existence. I like that a lot more, as I think of Jason as being more like a shark than malevolent. 

post #1155 of 1212
I could seeing him killing as a petulant child's reaction to "if I'm not allowed to be alive, no one is!"

Bart, as a fan, what is the scenario you go with internally when it comes to how Jason drowned/ did he drown etc?

Or do you not even think of it?
post #1156 of 1212
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I could seeing him killing as a petulant child's reaction to "if I'm not allowed to be alive, no one is!"

Bart, as a fan, what is the scenario you go with internally when it comes to how Jason drowned/ did he drown etc?

Or do you not even think of it?

Well obviously he drowned but didn't and let his mother believe he did. Hid in the woods for years with his mother somehow not knowing it and then happened to see her killed. I think it all fits together pretty well. 

post #1157 of 1212
Thread Starter 

I agree with Waaaaaaaaaalt that there seems to be no other way to interpret the events other than how Ginny lays them out in Part 2. Jason didn't actually die, but rather hid in the woods (out of shame), and then witnesses his mother's death. The 2009 remake dramatizes that in a way that's functional, and I believe improves upon it by Jason still being a child (as presumably there Pamela attacks the actual camp counselors that allowed Jason to drown, essentially compressing the timeframe). 

 

Now since this series never had any grand plan and is completely batshit, if you want to take every entry into account you could say A, Jason's original body drowns and he body hops into a relative because, sure, fuck it, or B, he did indeed "die" but his healing ability brings him back.

 

I like the fairly simplistic explanation given in Freddy vs. Jason that he just can't die. It's not that he has a Wolverine healing ability or a demon baby inside him, he just can't die and, in fact, just goes to sleep, into a kind of hibernation, upon taking massive trauma.

 

I do know that Jason gets supercharged when he's brought back in Part 6. He is definitely supposed to be stronger and more durable than before, even if the later movies try to play it off like he's always been that way.  

post #1158 of 1212
I too was a fan of the reboots idea that he witnessed the murder as a kid. And it makes more sense that she murders the counselors responsible. Maybe he drowned the first week, and a few weeks pass, Mrs. Voorhees snaps and she goes after them as camp is winding down after the kids leave.

It gives Jason a much shorter amount of time to be milling around in the woods until her death, then afterwards he goes in to his "hibernation" state for years.
post #1159 of 1212

I don't think this one is readily available on the internet, so if you're interested, I uploaded Aaron Guzikowski's F13 draft that came damn close to filming earlier this year.

 

https://www.docdroid.net/kdTazpQ/f13guzikowski.pdf

 

(Antosca's is much better.)


Edited by The Dark Shape - 9/3/17 at 1:23pm
post #1160 of 1212
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I don't think this one is readily available on the internet, so if you're interested, I uploaded Aaron Guzikowski's F13 draft that came damn close to filming earlier this year.

 

https://www.docdroid.net/kdTazpQ/f13guzikowski.pdf

 

(Antosca's is much better.)

Thanks for sharing this!

 

I think there are some interesting setpieces in there, and it’s ambitious on a structural level, but it pales in comparison to what Antosca tried to do.  The compressed origin/backstory (which essentially puts Mrs. Voorhees’ rampage and Jason’s first rampage on the same night) feels really rushed, and certainly wouldn’t satisfy someone coming to the theater to see a “Jason Movie” (though big fans of the first FRIDAY might be more willing to go along with the Elias and Pamela sections).  Once we do finally get to the Jason-stalks-the-camp stuff, I think it’s serviceable enough, but nothing particularly memorable or exciting (save for the climax, which has some juice).  Also, both Elias and Pamela just come across as very strange, underwritten antagonists.  It seems clear that both are in the grip of some kind of semi-possession by vague forces, but that angle just doesn’t work at all.

 

The difference in the quality of the character writing overall couldn’t be more stark when compared to Antosca’s work.  Where Antosca’s characters are - for the most part - good kids who are fun to be around, Guzikowski’s are either objectively terrible kids or, at best, complete nonentities.  I think he tries to get us invested in the pair of sisters (who are the ostensible protagonists), but I was mostly nonplussed by them.

 

Ultimately, this script represents a needlessly overthought take on what should be a relatively simple concept.  I can respect Guzikowski trying something new, but I don’t think it really works much at all.  I can't understand how this got further along than Antosca's take.


Edited by Belloq87 - 9/3/17 at 8:03pm
post #1161 of 1212
Just read Antosca's script and am currently pissed we won't be getting that version. I had my Spotify on to play the songs featured in the script for added affect.

The survivors and order of some of the kills surprised me and some parts definitely made me feel for these kids.

The "return" of Jason as he is summoned , if filmed properly could be appropriately mythic in execution.

Will have to read Gruzinowkis next.
post #1162 of 1212
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The survivors and order of some of the kills surprised me and some parts definitely made me feel for these kids.

 

Yes!  The big one that sort of kicks Jason's rampage into high gear really caught me by surprise.  I'm not going to say that Antosca pulls a PSYCHO-level protagonist misdirect, but he definitely gets us to believe certain people are (at the very least) probably making it to the final showdown.  But nope!

post #1163 of 1212
It plays out as a perfect teen summer job flick mixed with an urban legend, gore-fest. And I think that is precisely what the franchise needs.
post #1164 of 1212

I agree.  With only a little tweaking, it would work as a straight teen dramedy, and the intrusion of horror is much more effective when we're at least interested in the characters.

 

I also love how absolutely brutal Jason is in that draft, too.  No personality, just a single-minded force of nature.  Guzikowski's, on the other hand, goes too far in the other direction because we spend a not-inconsiderable amount of time with Jason as a kid, with obvious attempts to "humanize" him.

post #1165 of 1212
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Alice Cooper's "He's Back (The Man Behind the Mask)" is fun too, but it gets a lot of play all over the world.  Cooper plays it live to this day.

 

What doesn't get talked about much is Pseudo Echo's "His Eyes" from A New Beginning.  That's a cool new wave track that I like to play around Halloween:

 

 

 

I actually bought Autumnal Park on CD (their debut album that features His Eyes) b/c I was so infatuated with it. I've since lost it and now people are selling that CD on Amazon for $130. 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

post #1166 of 1212
"His Eyes" is a perfect encapsulation of mood for the Friday Series, at least for parts 3-8.

"The Man Behind The Mask" is badass, but the appropriate amount of synthy spookiness is prevalent in Psuedo Echo's song.

I don't know what type of band they would have gotten to cut a track for parts one and two if they had a choice, but those two films feel more rooted in the 70s to me.
post #1167 of 1212

No love for "Darkest Side of the Night" from Friday VIII?

post #1168 of 1212
Totally forgot that had a song. 8 is so, so bad. The Jason makeup/costume is easily worst of the series.
post #1169 of 1212
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Totally forgot that had a song. 8 is so, so bad. The Jason makeup/costume is easily worst of the series.

Especially when the mask comes off and Jason looks like a wet muppet.
post #1170 of 1212
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I actually bought Autumnal Park on CD (their debut album that features His Eyes) b/c I was so infatuated with it. I've since lost it and now people are selling that CD on Amazon for $130. 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Psuedo Echo sells remastered copies on eBay from Australia, but you'll end up paying more in shipping than the CD's worth, I think.

post #1171 of 1212
They're showing the first film at midnight on Friday the 13th, which is technically Saturday the 14th, but whatever, fuck it, I'm going.
post #1172 of 1212
REBEL!
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post #1174 of 1212
I’m curious, who here has ever had an atrocious Friday the 13th?
post #1175 of 1212
I’m working a closing shift tonight at World of Beer on a military pay day in Fayetteville , so this could be a potential shit show.
post #1176 of 1212
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I’m working a closing shift tonight at World of Beer on a military pay day in Fayetteville , so this could be a potential shit show.


Try working 24 hour staff duty in Germany on pay day where there is nothing to do but drink and the drinking age is 18. At one point I knew my 1SG number by heart.

post #1177 of 1212

This popped up in my Facebook feed, and it seems appropriate to share tonight...

 

 

MonsterVision and Joe Bob Briggs were a big part of my childhood viewing habits, so this was a lot of fun to see again.

post #1178 of 1212
I loved Monstervision. That was appointment tv every Saturday night.
post #1179 of 1212
Try to find Briggs' book "Profoundly Disturbing." It's a great analysis of influential grindhouse movies.
post #1180 of 1212
MonsterVision was responsible for my first viewing of The Exorcist!
post #1181 of 1212

I watched Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter via the old Paramount dvd that has a washed out transfer and plenty of scratches on it. It adds to the atmosphere. I also had vhs tapes of Part VI which I got for a buck at a flea market this past July, and Part VII that I got in a horror vhs lot I bought about two years ago just sitting there. I figured tonight was as good a night as any to watch them. I'm watching Part VII right now, and I just barely realized that the opening sequence takes place on...FRIDAY, OCTOBER 13TH.

post #1182 of 1212
Thread Starter 

Holy shit, a 53-minute-long found-footage Friday the 13th fan film that's actually...good?

 

 

post #1183 of 1212
Oh... I'll check that out. I always liked the idea of a found footage flick.
post #1184 of 1212
I'm looking forward to seeing that!

I've heard good things and this potentially might be like an audition tape to get the directing gig.
post #1185 of 1212
Thread Starter 

It's very cool and slick, but it does strain at times against its constraints. It's not 100% found footage, though it does nicely play around with the blurring between FF and the voyeuristic camera of slasher films. The choreography is a little amateurish at times, and due to the nature of its premise (the hiker is alone most of the movie) Jason comes across as somewhat ineffectual. Until the last 10 minutes when things kick into high gear, and

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
there's a sweet cameo that makes it all feel legitimate, and don't read the IMDB page or it'll be spoiled. 

I could see if this same team extended it into a full feature how studio notes would come into play. The hiker would run into some other, young, nubile people at the beginning and they would accompany him to the lake, etc. 

 

As is, it takes advantage of the geography maybe the most of any F13 story. Gorgeous mountains, and it actually takes into account things like wild coyotes. Creepy atmosphere, few good scares, and the guy playing Jason has his moments even if he's a little stiff. 

 

Definitely not a waste of 53 minutes, especially if you're jonesing for a Jason fix. 

post #1186 of 1212
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Holy shit, a 53-minute-long found-footage Friday the 13th fan film that's actually...good?

 

 

I admire the ambition and execution of this.  It’s not really what I’d want from a new FRIDAY THE 13TH (which would be Nick Antosca’s abandoned draft, more or less, with an attempted approximation of the early Paramount aesthetic), but it’s a fun exercise.

 

I do think it would have been even better if they had somehow managed to film at one of the actual camps from PART 1 or PART 2 (or even PART 6, which would have been relevant).  But I enjoyed it anyway!

post #1187 of 1212
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It has a solid spine, but yeah it doesn't feel much like an actual Friday the 13th movie. It's more of a high-concept, what if you pitted an ultra-competent, athletic hiker guy against a supernatural slasher and he actually held his own?

 

But Jason himself feels a little out of character. When he first encounters Kyle, well, canonical Jason would have just killed him right there. A full-length movie (let's say 88 minutes) would have Kyle bump into some campers right around the time Jason first shows up, thus delaying any action. But if Kyle is alone, Jason has never been the stalk for stalking's sake like Michael Myers. And even Myers is pulling pranks, bumping potted plants and such. Jason here is just watching Kyle...to watch, so that you can get 53 minutes out of this thing.

 

Have Kyle accompanied by a small film crew (explaining the angles that aren't from Kyle's GoPro stuff) and they all bump into some other campers, and you get the chance for a body count and some kinkiness. As is, I'm just going to say it, Kyle kind of borders on being a Mary Sue. To the point that when he gets strapped down in the ambulance, I was thinking he's suddenly robbed of agency during the climax of the movie. Unstrap him and he apparently could wrestle Jason for a good five minutes without getting folded in two. 

 

Still, great pitch! Get an experienced screenwriter to flesh this out and I'd love the same crew to make it full length.

post #1188 of 1212

Did Jason Voorhees drown as a child and then resurrect as an adult-sized zombie? And if so, does that mean his appearance at the end of FRIDAY THE 13TH was only a dream? Or was the "boat jump" real and signaled Jason resurrecting at the age of his drowning -- at which point he continued aging? Or was he only believed to have died, and in reality lived a hermit-like existence on the shore until his physical death at the end of THE FINAL CHAPTER? But if that's the case, why didn't he simply go home? And if he was already dead, why is that he only took on the generic "rotting zombie" qualities following his reanimation-by-lightning in JASON LIVES? Or did he have a bizarre healing factor that made him impervious to death as shown in JASON X, which allowed him to reanimate and become "human" prior to his journey aboard the Grendel -- meaning he didn't just come back from the dead, but literally CAME BACK TO LIFE (after maybe/sorta dying as a kid, then dying as an adult, and then resurrecting as a zombie)? But then how did he drown in the first place? And for that matter, was he a bald, deformed child as suggested in the first film -- or a normal-looking kid with a full head of hair as shown in JASON TAKES MANHATTAN? Or did hair only grow on half his head (PART 2)? And if that's the case, was Mrs. Voorhees shaving her son's head because it was better than her already odd-looking son sporting a comb-over at age ten...? And how did he go from long hair at the end of PART 2 to completely bald at the beginning of PART 3 -- but back to bald in the latter film's flashbacks to events occurring prior to PART 2? Was rapid hair growth part of the "super soldier" serum that David Cronenberg wanted to derive from him?

post #1189 of 1212
You're putting too much thought into the series. Just enjoy the kills.
post #1190 of 1212
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Did Jason Voorhees drown as a child and then resurrect as an adult-sized zombie? And if so, does that mean his appearance at the end of FRIDAY THE 13TH was only a dream? Or was the "boat jump" real and signaled Jason resurrecting at the age of his drowning -- at which point he continued aging? Or was he only believed to have died, and in reality lived a hermit-like existence on the shore until his physical death at the end of THE FINAL CHAPTER? But if that's the case, why didn't he simply go home? And if he was already dead, why is that he only took on the generic "rotting zombie" qualities following his reanimation-by-lightning in JASON LIVES? Or did he have a bizarre healing factor that made him impervious to death as shown in JASON X, which allowed him to reanimate and become "human" prior to his journey aboard the Grendel -- meaning he didn't just come back from the dead, but literally CAME BACK TO LIFE (after maybe/sorta dying as a kid, then dying as an adult, and then resurrecting as a zombie)? But then how did he drown in the first place? And for that matter, was he a bald, deformed child as suggested in the first film -- or a normal-looking kid with a full head of hair as shown in JASON TAKES MANHATTAN? Or did hair only grow on half his head (PART 2)? And if that's the case, was Mrs. Voorhees shaving her son's head because it was better than her already odd-looking son sporting a comb-over at age ten...? And how did he go from long hair at the end of PART 2 to completely bald at the beginning of PART 3 -- but back to bald in the latter film's flashbacks to events occurring prior to PART 2? Was rapid hair growth part of the "super soldier" serum that David Cronenberg wanted to derive from him?

Boat jump at the end of Part 1 was a dream.  By that time Jason was the full adult deformed male from Part 2.  But Jason wasn't the killer in Part 2.  We don't see Jason until part 3.  The Killer in Part 2 was Jason's little known twin brother, Mason.  He never drowned.  He just ran away and lived in his fort he built.  That's why he looks so confused when Ginny says, "Jason, mother is talking to you."  He's like "Jason, naw man, I'm Mason, the one with hair?"  

post #1191 of 1212
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Did Jason Voorhees drown as a child and then resurrect as an adult-sized zombie? And if so, does that mean his appearance at the end of FRIDAY THE 13TH was only a dream? Or was the "boat jump" real and signaled Jason resurrecting at the age of his drowning -- at which point he continued aging? Or was he only believed to have died, and in reality lived a hermit-like existence on the shore until his physical death at the end of THE FINAL CHAPTER? But if that's the case, why didn't he simply go home? And if he was already dead, why is that he only took on the generic "rotting zombie" qualities following his reanimation-by-lightning in JASON LIVES? Or did he have a bizarre healing factor that made him impervious to death as shown in JASON X, which allowed him to reanimate and become "human" prior to his journey aboard the Grendel -- meaning he didn't just come back from the dead, but literally CAME BACK TO LIFE (after maybe/sorta dying as a kid, then dying as an adult, and then resurrecting as a zombie)? But then how did he drown in the first place? And for that matter, was he a bald, deformed child as suggested in the first film -- or a normal-looking kid with a full head of hair as shown in JASON TAKES MANHATTAN? Or did hair only grow on half his head (PART 2)? And if that's the case, was Mrs. Voorhees shaving her son's head because it was better than her already odd-looking son sporting a comb-over at age ten...? And how did he go from long hair at the end of PART 2 to completely bald at the beginning of PART 3 -- but back to bald in the latter film's flashbacks to events occurring prior to PART 2? Was rapid hair growth part of the "super soldier" serum that David Cronenberg wanted to derive from him?

Don't do this. I tried to work this out once and it ended up with me locked in a padded room. I won't say anymore.

post #1192 of 1212

Just go with my Mason story I just made up.  it will make everything make more sense.

post #1193 of 1212
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by erik myers View Post
 

Did Jason Voorhees drown as a child and then resurrect as an adult-sized zombie? And if so, does that mean his appearance at the end of FRIDAY THE 13TH was only a dream? Or was the "boat jump" real and signaled Jason resurrecting at the age of his drowning -- at which point he continued aging? Or was he only believed to have died, and in reality lived a hermit-like existence on the shore until his physical death at the end of THE FINAL CHAPTER? But if that's the case, why didn't he simply go home? And if he was already dead, why is that he only took on the generic "rotting zombie" qualities following his reanimation-by-lightning in JASON LIVES? Or did he have a bizarre healing factor that made him impervious to death as shown in JASON X, which allowed him to reanimate and become "human" prior to his journey aboard the Grendel -- meaning he didn't just come back from the dead, but literally CAME BACK TO LIFE (after maybe/sorta dying as a kid, then dying as an adult, and then resurrecting as a zombie)? But then how did he drown in the first place? And for that matter, was he a bald, deformed child as suggested in the first film -- or a normal-looking kid with a full head of hair as shown in JASON TAKES MANHATTAN? Or did hair only grow on half his head (PART 2)? And if that's the case, was Mrs. Voorhees shaving her son's head because it was better than her already odd-looking son sporting a comb-over at age ten...? And how did he go from long hair at the end of PART 2 to completely bald at the beginning of PART 3 -- but back to bald in the latter film's flashbacks to events occurring prior to PART 2? Was rapid hair growth part of the "super soldier" serum that David Cronenberg wanted to derive from him?

I like the idea that Alice's "dream" is actually real, that 11-year-old Jason is freshly resurrected and starts aging from there. We only see his hands in Part 2's prologue, so since the movie is set five years later, I can buy that hairy hillbilly is 16-years-old. 

 

As for why he's bald in Part 3...

 

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

post #1194 of 1212
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I like the idea that Alice's "dream" is actually real, that 11-year-old Jason is freshly resurrected and starts aging from there. We only see his hands in Part 2's prologue, so since the movie is set five years later, I can buy that hairy hillbilly is 16-years-old. 

As for why he's bald in Part 3...

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The prologue isn’t five years later. It jumps forward in time once Alice’s killed.
post #1195 of 1212
Thread Starter 

That's what I'm saying. Since we only see his hands in the prologue, I can suspend disbelief that those are an 11-year-old's hands. 

post #1196 of 1212
Ohhhhh

Now I follow. My bad.

Please explain the rest.
post #1197 of 1212
Thread Starter 

If you want to take the healing ability thing seriously, when we see him resurrected in Parts 6-8 he's only alive for brief periods there. He hasn't had a time to fully heal yet. This would seem to be backed up by Freddy vs. Jason, in which he's newly resurrected but appears to be "alive" (he can drown). So when we see him in Jason X he's had years post-FvJ to heal.

 

In Jason Goes to Hell he's "human" but messed up from the toxic waste. 

 

That's all I got.

post #1198 of 1212
Alice isn't killed by Jason in Part 2. After the first film, she moved to Springwood, where she was then murdered by the Springwood Slasher, Fred Krueger.
post #1199 of 1212
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Alice isn't killed by Jason in Part 2. After the first film, she moved to Springwood, where she was then murdered by the Springwood Slasher, Fred Krueger.

I'm pretty sure she was murdered by his twin brother, Ned Krueger.

post #1200 of 1212
That's still Mrs. Voorhees' head in the fridge. Alice kept it as a trophy. She's upset because it's starting to go bad.
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