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The sequels for Captain America and Avengers have pre release threads so why not Thor. I needed a reason to share this awesome video from Comic Con 2013.


Edited by Chaz - 7/28/13 at 7:22pm
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If Hollywood doesn't work out for Hiddleston, he can always go in for a pro-wrestling career!

 

Oh Hiddlestone... swoon.

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Chaz, Forsooth...By ODIN'S Beard I Say Thee...YEA!!!! The Dark World...Whilst be as...THORoughly...Awesome as it's Predocessor.
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"You must be truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuly desperate to pay $5 for that soda!"

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The sequels for Captain America and Avengers have pre release threads so why not Thor?


Because no one cares that this movie exists. Personally, I blame Marvel's persistently awful costume designs.

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Actually, I care.

 

I didn't think I would, if I'm honest, because the first Thor was probably my least favourite of the phase one Marvel movies, and also because this doesn't have a Shane Black behind it; it's got a guy primarily known for directing television episodes. But, then, everyone starts somewhere, right? And I'd be lying if I didn't want to see more of Christopher Eccleston's villain who, from the brief glimpses in the first trailer, looks pretty intriguing both in design and in motivation. I'm also incredibly interested in the fact that they brought Loki back, and I'm hoping that it's more than because he's weirdly popular with fans after The Avengers. Putting him in a position where he's forced to help the good guys and could potentially either betray them or redeem himself is interesting to me, and I hope the writers understand the potential which exists there. I also like the fact that they're pitching this as the Empire Strikes Back of the Thor franchise. I know a lot of people don't dig the grim and gritty stuff but it works for me and I'm looking forward to seeing if the marketing is lying or whether Thor really does go through some seriously dark shit in this movie.

 

Bring on the next trailer!

post #7 of 284
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 The trailer sold me on Thor 2. Thor was just an OK flick; like Iron Man 2 is was more about introducing the character and setting up The Avengers than being a good movie. The teaser trailer looked awesome! This movie looks like it will be more about the fantasy aspects of Thor and Asgard. Just being weird is a plus too.

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I know a lot of people don't dig the grim and gritty stuff but it works for me

 

Oh yes sir, I know YOU DO, SIR.


"FUCK YOU, NOOJ!!!!"

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I'm also incredibly interested in the fact that they brought Loki back, and I'm hoping that it's more than because he's weirdly popular with fans after The Avengers

 

I call it the Severus Snape Syndrome. The long-haired, pale-faced, forbidding, snide anti-hero always attracts a legion of fangirls for some reason. It's still weird though.

I guess some people would call it the Mister Darcy Syndrome... but who remembers that guy anyway? Colin Firth fans?

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As a Doctor Who fan, I'm glad Christopher Eccleston is in this.

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I enjoyed the first Thor; Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 are the least of the Phase I films, in my opinion. My faves are Iron Man and Captain America.

 

Teaming the hero with the villains in a sequel isn't exactly breaking new ground (Blade II and X2 got there first, at the very least, and the next X-movie seems to be gearing up to go there again), but I like the Thor/Loki dynamic, so I'm game. I hope they kill him off in this movie though; he's already been the lead villain in two movies, and will now be at least a secondary foe in this one. I'd say that's quite enough. If they want Hiddleston back, they can always have an imaginary Loki taunting a guilt-ridden Thor (a la Dexter, BSG, et al) in the next one.

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Just because I'm feeling contrary today...

 

I find it interesting that no one's said anything about the tone of the trailers so far. For all the bitching and finger-pointing about how "grim and gritty"* 1) doesn't work for comic-based films and 2) how the Marvel films are superior because they're so much FUN and so BRIGHT, it's weird that those same voices aren't decrying how serious, dark and, yes, grim this film is presenting itself.  Yes, we won't know until the film itself unspools what kind of tone it actually has (and thus, this rant is sort of pointless, but hey, Internet, so...). Yes, the MCU films sometimes skew "darker" in their trailers than actual content.

 

Regardless, nothing about this film's marketing screams "FUN" - it all seems to be DOOM-FILLED and that the existence of...everything...seems to be threatened. Also: darkness is built right into the title!

 

Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old man today. Maybe this is just poorly thought out and reasoned arguing. These are strong possibilities. But part of me grows quite curmudgeonly about the double standards I'm reading in reactions and criticisms of the DC films and the MCU.

 

Now pardon me while I go chase some comic-reading punks off my lawn.

 

 

 

 

 

*I'm with Sebastian that this really hasn't been and isn't a thing. But it's shorthand and easily understood, so I'm caving and cheat a bit. Sue me.

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 Yes, we won't know until the film itself unspools what kind of tone it actually has

Is it fair to say that you address the very question that you're raising? Is shitting on movies reflexively something that we should do more of, and be mindful to correct ourselves when we accidentally stop?
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Just because I'm feeling contrary today...

I find it interesting that no one's said anything about the tone of the trailers so far. For all the bitching and finger-pointing about how "grim and gritty"* 1) doesn't work for comic-based films and 2) how the Marvel films are superior because they're so much FUN and so BRIGHT, it's weird that those same voices aren't decrying how serious, dark and, yes, grim this film is presenting itself.  Yes, we won't know until the film itself unspools what kind of tone it actually has (and thus, this rant is sort of pointless, but hey, Internet, so...). Yes, the MCU films sometimes skew "darker" in their trailers than actual content.

Regardless, nothing about this film's marketing screams "FUN" - it all seems to be DOOM-FILLED and that the existence of...everything...seems to be threatened. Also: darkness is built right into the title!

Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old man today. Maybe this is just poorly thought out and reasoned arguing. These are strong possibilities. But part of me grows quite curmudgeonly about the double standards I'm reading in reactions and criticisms of the DC films and the MCU.

Now pardon me while I go chase some comic-reading punks off my lawn.





*I'm with Sebastian that this really hasn't been and isn't a thing. But it's shorthand and easily understood, so I'm caving and cheat a bit. Sue me.

Nope. You're not the only one who feels the same way...and this is the only Phase Two film I give two shits about.
post #16 of 284
To be fair, it's hard to make a Thor story with Malekith (and assorted Dark Elves) in it fun and peppy. If they're going full on LOTR/GoT myth with this, I don't really mind the slightly darker tone. Hemsworth definitely has enough talent to pull off a more serious Thor.

I guess when it comes to DC properties other than Batman, people really do not expect grimdarkness. Except maybe in Wonder Woman.
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Is it fair to say that you address the very question that you're raising? Is shitting on movies reflexively something that we should do more of, and be mindful to correct ourselves when we accidentally stop?

 

I think it's something we should stop. Please note, though, that my post isn't shitting on any film. I was - petulantly, to be fair - calling out what seems like a glaring bit of hypocrisy in the current conversation about the tone of films based on comic properties.

 

And I know that, even if I'm IDing a real thing, it's not like my post is going to stop anything. The narrative of FUN AND BRIGHT vs GRIM AND GRITTY has its own life, and nothing I point out is likely to weaken it or make a dent.

post #18 of 284

As long as this film features 1-2 shots that aren't Dutch angles, it'll be a step up from the first one.

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Just because I'm feeling contrary today...

 

I find it interesting that no one's said anything about the tone of the trailers so far. For all the bitching and finger-pointing about how "grim and gritty"* 1) doesn't work for comic-based films and 2) how the Marvel films are superior because they're so much FUN and so BRIGHT, it's weird that those same voices aren't decrying how serious, dark and, yes, grim this film is presenting itself.  Yes, we won't know until the film itself unspools what kind of tone it actually has (and thus, this rant is sort of pointless, but hey, Internet, so...). Yes, the MCU films sometimes skew "darker" in their trailers than actual content.

 

Regardless, nothing about this film's marketing screams "FUN" - it all seems to be DOOM-FILLED and that the existence of...everything...seems to be threatened. Also: darkness is built right into the title!

 

Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old man today. Maybe this is just poorly thought out and reasoned arguing. These are strong possibilities. But part of me grows quite curmudgeonly about the double standards I'm reading in reactions and criticisms of the DC films and the MCU.

 

Now pardon me while I go chase some comic-reading punks off my lawn.

 

I think the term "grim and gritty" has confused what people have been reacting against with regards to the DCU movies (which I personally love) - it's not so much darkness and violence as the poe-faced seriousness. Admittedly the Thor sequel seems darker in tone but even if does turn out to be the Empire Strikes Back of the series, chances are that, as with TESB, it will be a darker chapter of what is still essentially a fun, silly tale.

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The teaser for this did nothing for me. So very generic. I know some didn't like what Kenneth Branagh did with the first, but at least his Asgard scenes had character. If this turns into Game of Thrones-lite I'll be disappointed. Hopefully the trailer next week will be much better.

 

And I don't really get this Loki love. It's kind of strange. Ah you fangirls, go watch War Horse.

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And I don't really get this Loki love. It's kind of strange.


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I think Loki's hair is just awful. Hiddleson is great, but it's one of the worst looks for a villain of all time. Green Goblin level bad. His outfit is sort of dumb too.

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Funny you should say that.  I LOVE Lokis look.  I love that they give him the helmet for a bit.  I love the interesting design of his suit and how his hair is unapologetic.  He fucking rocks it.

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This Loki needs love too.

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Funny you should say that.  I LOVE Lokis look.  I love that they give him the helmet for a bit.  I love the interesting design of his suit and how his hair is unapologetic.  He fucking rocks it.


Different strokes, and all that. I just think it's sort of absurdly shifty looking. I think the family tragedy in Thor would play better if Loki looked more legitimately princely.

post #26 of 284

Again, comic book movie for families. 

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Bah. Loki's got a great voice, an alluring dark aura and greater fashion sense than the rest of the MCU put together. He oozes attitude (SWAG), isn't lacking in confidence and pulls off suave gothic like nobody's business.

And you ask wherefore these fangirls come from? Come now, my friends, the man is a perfect amalgamation of Darcy and Heathcliff. Snide exterior with an all-consuming passion for power and vengeance that destroys himself and everyone around him.
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Different strokes, and all that. I just think it's sort of absurdly shifty looking. I think the family tragedy in Thor would play better if Loki looked more legitimately princely.


Give him the Prince Valiant cut...

 

 

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Yeah, that's another thing I didn't really get. I mean, we're to accept that any stories told in our world of Thor and Loki et al are based on the ACTUAL DUDES who exist, right? And in every single story our culture has about Loki...he's always a trickster and a villain. Yet it's a surprise to them that he turns out this way? It's like the followers knowing more about the Gods then they do themselves!

 

Then again, Loki could've been more well known for being tricksy and mischievous rather than out and out villainous.

 

Count me in on one of the folks who this trailer did nothing for. Looking forward to the movie, looking forward to the next trailer, but this one was just...kind of...there? I guess? C'mon guys, give me some money shots, I don't care if it does spoil it, get me EXCITED. Show me just what Adewale Akinnoye-Aqbaje will actually look like in this movie. His character was one of those fun ones in the comics, one of those henchmen who realizes all too late what a total dick his boss is.

 

As for Loki, I'd say yeah, depending on how this one turns out, keep him around for third one. I keep going back and forth on whether he should "redeem" himself, but I think saving that sort of action for the last film is best. Especially if the enemy is Surtr. I don't know folks, what do you think, should Loki redeem himself, or betray their trust? Both have potential, but I can see him betraying them in this film only to redeem himself in the last.

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Show me just what Adewale Akinnoye-Aqbaje will actually look like in this movie. His character was one of those fun ones in the comics, one of those henchmen who realizes all too late what a total dick his boss is.

 

 

They've kind of shown the character...at least the toy version of the character.

 

http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/generated/2013_San_Diego_Comic_Con/Hasbro_Panel_PR_Images/A49410000_MVL_A5457-Kurse-__scaled_600.jpg

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Bah. Loki's got a great voice, an alluring dark aura and greater fashion sense than the rest of the MCU put together. He oozes attitude (SWAG), isn't lacking in confidence and pulls off suave gothic like nobody's business.

And you ask wherefore these fangirls come from? Come now, my friends, the man is a perfect amalgamation of Darcy and Heathcliff. Snide exterior with an all-consuming passion for power and vengeance that destroys himself and everyone around him.

 

In other words, an abusive asshole.

 

Loki in the real world:

 

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Funny you should say that.  I LOVE Lokis look.  I love that they give him the helmet for a bit.  I love the interesting design of his suit and how his hair is unapologetic.  He fucking rocks it.

 

Just seconding this. Loki's casting, portrayal and costuming in the films has been out and out great.

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In other words, an abusive asshole.

Well, he's arguably the only decent semi-shaggable "bad boy" in the MCU villains roster. Who else is there? Vanko? Red Skull? Friggin' Stane?
post #34 of 284
No love for Justin Hammer? He can dance.

 

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If I never see Sam Rockwell do his funny dance moves again it will be too soon.

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Well, he's arguably the only decent semi-shaggable "bad boy" in the MCU villains roster. Who else is there? Vanko? Red Skull? Friggin' Stane?


Aldrich Killian.

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Can't wait for the crazy fangirls who want to shag this guy

 

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Can't wait for the crazy fangirls who want to shag this guy

 


Harley should love him.

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Aldrich Killian.

Ah, but Killian is EVIL. As in irredeemable, flat-out monstrous. There are no sympathetic brushstrokes to that guy.

Loki, on the other hand is vulnerable, man. Sure, he wants to rule the Earth... But he's soooooo ADORABLE! ZOMG! Xoxoxo
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Ah, but Killian is EVIL. As in irredeemable, flat-out monstrous. There are no sympathetic brushstrokes to that guy.

Loki, on the other hand is vulnerable, man. Sure, he wants to rule the Earth... But he's soooooo ADORABLE! ZOMG! Xoxoxo

 

Well, you said "Semi-Shaggable."  I'd posit that Killian would rate that on charisma alone.

 

Though it's true that Loki has the "Woobie, destroyer of worlds" thing going on in spades.

post #41 of 284
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 Loki has a mullet; that makes him cool in my book. Its a safe bet he is a Maiden fan.

 

Iron Man 3's trailers made it look grim and gritty, and that movie was a ton of fun.

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To be fair I actually *am* a little concerned about the visual appearance of this movie. I loved the crazy comic-book visuals of the first movie--they, along with Helmsworth and Hiddleston, singlehandedly elevated the movie to "good" from "mediocre" for me--and the trailers have been suggesting a more generic fantasy milieu, though Asgard still looks like Asgard. So yeah, I am actually a little worried that they've "grim 'n' grittied" it up. I don't care if the story's a little darker, I just don't want it to forget it's a comic book.

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To be fair I actually *am* a little concerned about the visual appearance of this movie. I loved the crazy comic-book visuals of the first movie--they, along with Helmsworth and Hiddleston, singlehandedly elevated the movie to "good" from "mediocre" for me--and the trailers have been suggesting a more generic fantasy milieu, though Asgard still looks like Asgard. So yeah, I am actually a little worried that they've "grim 'n' grittied" it up. I don't care if the story's a little darker, I just don't want it to forget it's a comic book.

Indeed. The one scene that really puts me off is Thor's triumphant return to Earth and his love, aaaand it sort of just looks like Hemsworth is jumping down from a chair.
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You haven't seen that shot in the context of the movie.  For all you know he's dismounting a three headed Unicorn after The Boys Are Back In Town finishes playing. 

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For all you know he's dismounting a three headed Unicorn after The Boys Are Back In Town finishes playing. 

 

/tears up fan-film script.

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You haven't seen that shot in the context of the movie.  For all you know he's dismounting a three headed Unicorn after The Boys Are Back In Town You Got The Touch finishes playing. 

Fixed that for you!
post #47 of 284

Ugh... Fuck.  Lets not ruin the movie for ourselves by setting standards of awesome that it will never reach. 

post #48 of 284
Ugh as long as its better than Green Lantern or Amazing Spider-Man, I'll be happy.
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/tears up fan-film script.

Jane! Lo! I have replaced the defective earthly torch with a new unit!
Music swells, Thor leaps from stepladder.
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Thor 2 really needs the soundtrack to Flash Gordon.
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