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post #301 of 437

Turns out there's a thread for Sirius XM here.

post #302 of 437

 

That drinking game needs a revision. Those rules would kill an Irishman with two livers.

post #303 of 437

Additions you should consider:

 

DRINK whenever Jax suddenly gets right up in someone's face and shouts really loudly for no reason

 

CHUG any time Nero calls Gemma "mama"

 

SHOT if someone from the club states "This was Black" or "This was Brown"

post #304 of 437

SHOT each time fake-Viggo says "Cleeaueehhh."

 

SHOT whenever someone calls someone else "bitch," except when Gemma refers to herself as"bitch," then CHUG.

 

CHUG for the entire duration of Jax's sour lemon face.

post #305 of 437

At this point complex drinking games are not needed.

 

Start drinking when the episode starts. Stop when it ends.

post #306 of 437

But then I won't be drunk until after it's over!

post #307 of 437

Listened to some of the interview. Kurt was funny and I was shocked to learn that Howard had been watching Sons of Anarchy and was all caught up with it so he knew what he was talking about. Katey Sagal was there and came out during the interview and sat there for a while. Kurt mentioned that he is serious about taking a little break after season 7 but keeping the whole mythology alive by doing the graphic novels/comic books and he's writing/releasing the John Teller memoirs book the day after season 7 ends. But he said at some point he's going to do another TV show... a period piece that takes place in the '60s/'70s about the First 9. I'm actually excited about that. The funniest comment was Howard's suggestion that because they get screwed at the Emmy's every year that the cast show up wearing their cuts and beat the crap out of the cast of Glee.

post #308 of 437

Liked the Nero/Unser stuff in this one. Rest was just more of the same.

post #309 of 437
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If we don't get at least one "cocksucka" out of 'Wu', I'm going to be disappointed.

post #310 of 437

Sort of liked this one. I liked the involvement of the Irish and the Chinese. I want the Mayans to get involved again.

 

I find the whole Gemma/Tara story really boring but thought their scene tonight was good. Gemma telling Tara "Either mommy moved away or mommy passed away" was great.

 

Next weeks looks really good. They finally break Clay out of prison. I really hope Sutter doesn't kill off Clay this season. I know I say it all the time but Perlman is easily the best actor they've got (Smits and Katey Sagal are great too). This season suffered big time though without Clay having a huge role. I hope he makes it to season 7 and causes all sorts of shit. I feel season 7 really does need to be Clay and Gemma against Jax with Jax finding out exactly what happened to JT. I have a feeling Sutter is going to kill off Clay before the end of this season though. Maybe possibly next week. I wonder if that happens how they'd have Clay go out. If Clay would stay on this "redemption" and maybe take a bullet for Jax if things get really messy during the whole thing. We'll see... I just don't want to see season 7 be all about Tara and Jax battling for custody of the kids. That would be fucking boring. I want season 7 to go back to where this show started. Clay/Gemma/Jax.

post #311 of 437
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possible spoiler- google "Ophelia"

post #312 of 437

It was a "moving pieces into place" episode, but it was still pretty good.

 

But guh, just drop the Wendy scenes and one of the musical montages and they could deliver a better 60-minute episode.

 

My bet is that Jax gets Tara her deal, but before he can tell her, she shoots him or Gemma.

 

The only problem would be that the final season would have little left to root for or against. Antiheroes are great and all, but when they transition into full-on villains, it leaves an emotional hole at the core of your show. Jax is already there.

 

Heck, even Breaking Bad fell afoul of that with me in its final season. That show was exceptionally well made, but it was still spending 90% of its time on a character I just didn't care about any more. If I felt that way about THAT show, I can't imagine Sutter navigating those waters. 

post #313 of 437

I could really see Tara killing herself before the end of this season. Maybe after Jax pulls off that deal that would set her free so it would be even more tragic. Maybe Tara writes a suicide note and tells Jax about Gemma/JT. Jax would feel like absolute shit for taking Gemma's side over Tara's after all that.

post #314 of 437
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The only problem would be that the final season would have little left to root for or against. Antiheroes are great and all, but when they transition into full-on villains, it leaves an emotional hole at the core of your show. Jax is already there.

 

Heck, even Breaking Bad fell afoul of that with me in its final season. That show was exceptionally well made, but it was still spending 90% of its time on a character I just didn't care about any more. If I felt that way about THAT show, I can't imagine Sutter navigating those waters. 

 

 

That's really the problem at the heart of it - currently the show is "unlikable people doing dumbass stuff." 

 

 

Which works for Archer  and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but that dumbass stuff is hilarious. 

post #315 of 437
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If we don't get at least one "cocksucka" out of 'Wu', I'm going to be disappointed.

 

 

I'm still waiting for the first slurred "fucken cocksuckerrrr" out of Calamity Jane. 

post #316 of 437

There's still Unser and Nero. I like both of them still. I was hoping that Tara had a more sane plan than the one Sutter gave her and that Unser would finally grow a spine and stick up to Gemma and Jax and tell them that Tara and those kids would be better off out of Charming. I don't know if it was Tara's plan that Unser had a problem with or that he didn't want to see Tara take the kids away from Gemma and Jax. But Unser should know those kids need to get the hell out of there. After he got his ass kicked by those Nazis earlier this season he yelled at Gemma and told her the kids could have been there when that happened and what would have happened to them?

 

It sucks that Sutter had to turn Tara into a complete psycho. She should have done the right thing and given up the club, gotten herself into witness protection and moved as far away from Charming as she could.

post #317 of 437

I wonder if Sutter actually types out "musical montage" on his scripts.  I assume he does.  I'm almost certain we've had at least one musical montage in every single episode this season, with lucky us getting 2 last night.  They've really gone from charming and effective to mostly groan worthy at this point.

post #318 of 437
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I wonder if Sutter actually types out "musical montage" on his scripts.  I assume he does.  I'm almost certain we've had at least one musical montage in every single episode this season, with lucky us getting 2 last night.  They've really gone from charming and effective to mostly groan worthy at this point.

 

You try to fill 13 straight 90-minute episodes without killing off any significant characters until the finale sometime, and then see if you don't have a newfound appreciation for a good montage.

post #319 of 437

Michelle McClaren and the creative team behind Breaking Bad ruined the musical montage for me. After Crystal Blue Persuasion, nothing lives up by comparison. Sutter, try as he may, cannot reach such heights. Sorry, thus ends my BB gush for the day.


Edited by Delmont - 11/13/13 at 11:49am
post #320 of 437

You know what show had some great musical montages? Rescue Me. I discovered so many good songs and artists from that show like The Twilight Singers, Greg Dulli, The Afghan Whigs. I still have the Rescue Me theme song on my ipod. I love listening to it when I'm working out or running.

post #321 of 437

You know what? As Jax was working on the bike with the baby monitor next to him I thought: "What if Sutter goes for Medea instead of Hamlet?"

 

And I have to admit that it would be an interesting thing to happen.

post #322 of 437
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But guh, just drop the Wendy scenes and one of the musical montages and they could deliver a better 60-minute episode.

 

 

Doubt they'll stop doing 90 minute episodes now, I suspect they want as much advertising space as possible so they can keep showing those embarassing bike related commercials targeted at 9-to-5ers who fantasize about being in the club. Personally I think instead of padding the episode out with all the Wendy is a junkie BS or those tired montages, they should have had some random conversation between Clay and his cellmate (seriously, what a great extra)

Hard to see a way out for Tara now, but even if she doesn't live to see next season, I think it's a given that Jax will find out about his mom's involvement in JT's death by the end of this one. Maggie Siff has been great on this show, despite the ridiculous things they've made her character say and do. BTW loved that shot near the end looking up at soul crushed Tara sitting in Patterson's office.

post #323 of 437
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I wonder if Sutter actually types out "musical montage" on his scripts.  I assume he does.  I'm almost certain we've had at least one musical montage in every single episode this season, with lucky us getting 2 last night.  They've really gone from charming and effective to mostly groan worthy at this point.


I'm hoping that before the finale we get a musical montage WITHIN a musical montage!

 

Have a bunch of characters being quietly sad with Katey Sagal singing... then (record screech) cut to an angry song as the characters lose their shit and start trashing the places they're at... then they and the music take a deep breath and Katey Sagal comes back while the characters sob into the credits.

 

Then just have Ghost Otto appear and drop the mic, because there's no topping that, brother.

post #324 of 437

I'm so on Tara's side. I'll be on any side that opposes Gemma. Even with you, Nero.

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I'm so on Tara's side. I'll be on any side that opposes Gemma. Even with you, Nero.

 

 

I was trying to run this down with my wife...Abel is 4. In those 4 years he has had happen:

 

- born to smack-head mother

 

- in room when Half-Sack was murdered

 

- abducted, taken to Ireland

 

- in room when adoptive parents were killed

 

- present when step-mom is injured in attempted kidnapping

 

- goes into surgery when stoned grandma gets in car wreck

 

- dad sent away to prison for 2 yrs

 

- grandpa sent away to prison

 

- almost blown up in terrorist attack SPECIFICALLY targeting dad

 

 

 

...and this is another one of those "I KNOW I'm missing some serious shit here"....anyway, I have 2 kids myself and if, say, TWO of those things happen to one of my kids before s/he is, oh, say, THIRTY I'd be thinking I'm failing as a parent. Much less all of them by age 4. 

 

 

Fuck Jax and Gemma, they're public menaces and should be dragged to death behind a pickup truck before being allowed to raise those kids. 

post #326 of 437

 

The thing is, Jax recognized all of that at one point. He tried to give the kid away, he tried to send Tara and the kids away... but there were still too many seasons left to go.

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- dad sent away to prison for 2 yrs

Wait Jax went to prison for 2 years? I never though any of them were in for that long were they?

post #328 of 437

Can't freaking wait for tomorrow night. The preview looks so good. I really hope this episode actually delivers.

post #329 of 437
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Wait Jax went to prison for 2 years? I never though any of them were in for that long were they?

Seriously when did this happen?

post #330 of 437

It was less a little over a year, between seasons 3 and 4.

 

He actually got shivved while he was in there!  But it was shown in a webisode or something, and then they took vengeance in the season premiere and it kind washed off the duck's back like 90% of the MAJOR SHOCKING MURDERS on this show.

post #331 of 437
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It was less a little over a year, between seasons 3 and 4.

 

He actually got shivved while he was in there!  But it was shown in a webisode or something, and then they took vengeance in the season premiere and it kind washed off the duck's back like 90% of the MAJOR SHOCKING MURDERS on this show.

Oh ok I remember that.

post #332 of 437

I have a feeling I'm going to love/hate tonight's episode. My prediction is that Clay dies tonight. I hope I'm wrong since the show has really suffered this season without Perlman having a big role. And it means no Clay from now on and probably more Gemma/Tara. I think it's going to be a great show and will love it but will hate if Clay goes. It will be a waste not to have him for the final season.

post #333 of 437

Just read that FX ordered 13 episodes of The Strain based on Guillermo del Toro's vampire novel trilogy. I wonder if Perlman is going to do that next?

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post #335 of 437
Holy fuckballs. Not narratively, mind you. But in terms of the shows future.
post #336 of 437

Yeah, I can't even figure what sort of conflict they can drum up for the last season that won't feel like an afterthought. 

 

Hey, remember how at the beginning of the season Tig made some sort of deal with the 9ers to stay alive, after Jax had given him up?  Am I just forgetting, or has there been absolutely nothing on that front ever since?

post #337 of 437
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Yeah, I can't even figure what sort of conflict they can drum up for the last season that won't feel like an afterthought. 

 

Hey, remember how at the beginning of the season Tig made some sort of deal with the 9ers to stay alive, after Jax had given him up?  Am I just forgetting, or has there been absolutely nothing on that front ever since?


I'm thinking it comes up in the season finale. There was an episode a couple weeks ago when they met with August Marks and Tig walked the other way and looked uneasy.

post #338 of 437

Finally one that was worth 90 minutes.

post #339 of 437
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I am a little disappointed that Clay didn't make it to the final season as it would have been more satisfying to have everything come to a head in the final season.

 

That being said, the "deal" with the IRA may not go as smoothly as Jax would like so there may still be some interesting narrative choices for the last season...?

 

And there will be a sizable SoA member body count in the last season.

post #340 of 437

Holy shit! Great episode. But you know what? This would have been better if there was only two episodes left of the entire series. Not just two episodes left of season 6 and one more whole season to go. What's Sutter's plan now? We've lost Galen, Clay and Lee Toric. 3 guys who could have been set up as the ultimate villain for the final season.

 

I want Gemma to go down more than ever after this episode. Clay looking at her right before he was killed was great. Perlman rocked in this episode again. I can't believe there's going to be a whole season without him. I knew he had to go down at some point but thought it would be near the very end.

 

I do really hope Tara rats. These guys do deserve to go down. And I like Nero's joke but he was absolutely serious (at least I would hope) about not marrying Gemma because he knows what happens to her husbands.

 

We have to wait two weeks before the next episode. But the preview looks great. Some familiar faces show up that we haven't seen in a while.

post #341 of 437
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I am a little disappointed that Clay didn't make it to the final season as it would have been more satisfying to have everything come to a head in the final season.

 

That being said, the "deal" with the IRA may not go as smoothly as Jax would like so there may still be some interesting narrative choices for the last season...?


Me too. Like I said in my post above, this would have been an awesome episode if there was only two more episodes to go for the whole series. They need to set up someone to be the new bad guy now. Unless Sutter really makes us start to despise the club and cheer for Tara and hope that the club goes down.

post #342 of 437

Bet I can guess who they're setting up to be the bad guys for the final season. Each other. Or maybe the Yakuza, I don't know.

post #343 of 437
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I forget, does Jax know that Gemma was complicit in the death of John Teller? 

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Yeah, I can't even figure what sort of conflict they can drum up for the last season that won't feel like an afterthought. 

 

Hey, remember how at the beginning of the season Tig made some sort of deal with the 9ers to stay alive, after Jax had given him up?  Am I just forgetting, or has there been absolutely nothing on that front ever since?

Them getting the IRA's guns is the trade for Tig, so that was in play in this episode.

 

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Holy shit! Great episode. But you know what? This would have been better if there was only two episodes left of the entire series. 

 

I do really hope Tara rats. These guys do deserve to go down. And I like Nero's joke but he was absolutely serious (at least I would hope) about not marrying Gemma because he knows what happens to her husbands.

That's pretty much how I feel as well. The series finale should be this year. Just do one 4-hour super-duper-sized episode with six montages and get it over with, Sutter!

 

And it is funny that I can't tell who the show wants me to root for. I wouldn't have minded if all of the Sons had been gunned down by cops during that breakout. But I did thrill at the sudden shot to Galen. But after being invested in Clay getting his comeuppance for so long, I didn't care about Jax finally avenging his father's death (did Jax care?). I don't want Tara to die, but they haven't done much to make me care about her lately, either. I like Nero, but he's such an idiot that it's hard to be too invested in him - instead of wandering into every Sons-related mess, he needs someone to yell, "RUN, NERO, RUN!".

 

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I forget, does Jax know that Gemma was complicit in the death of John Teller? 


I don't believe he knows the extent, but he's not dumb.

post #345 of 437

I just read an interview with Perlman. He seems to have really hated the last couple of seasons. Not just the direction his character went but because he was in less scenes with all the guys. He talks about the first few seasons being so close and how he's made some new best friends on this show and gone to their weddings, partied and had drinks with them.

 

Hope he is cast in that new Guillermo del Toro vampire show coming to FX. Del Toro always gives him work.

 

I think looking back, two big mistakes Sutter has made is killing off Opie (he should have lived to the very end) and Clay (at least this early with one more entire season to go).

 

I hope Tig, Chibs and Bobby aren't killed off any time soon. Those are the only 3 members of SAMCRO I really like anymore.

post #346 of 437

Still thinking about last nights episode and the past couple of seasons and just how much better this show was in seasons 1-4. I've been watching some old clips this morning. I miss Piney and Opie and going to miss Clay. The club, the show and the stories were so much better with all of them involved. Now we have to deal with one more entire season of Jax and his stupid white sneakers. If this show had guts, they would have done the same thing Boardwalk Empire did, kill Jax, keep Clay like Nucky/Jimmy.

 

I know it's just a silly TV show. But this was so good at first. When it turned into the Jax show and all about him, it went downhill and way too much Tara/Gemma.

post #347 of 437

It was always Jax's show, but it certainly balanced (or leavened, if you prefer) that dynamic with Opie and Clay (and Clay helps make Gemma interesting) much better earlier on.

 

That said, I still am interested in where they are going.  Chibs, Unser, and Nero are the only characters I like at this point.  But they have at least confounded the expectations somewhat, so I just hope they'll go somewhere intriguing.

post #348 of 437

After Unser admitted he was "in love" with Gemma last night, I thought for sure he would be biting it before the episode was over.  As it stands, I doubt he'll make it to next season. 

post #349 of 437

Interesting. On another forum someone pointed out that the next episode is titled "You Are My Sunshine" and you can see in the promo that Juice doesn't have a shirt on and he has the words "Son" and "Shine" tattooed on his chest.

 

I wonder if he'll feel guilt about betraying Clay again and kill himself?

 

Now that Sutter isn't afraid to kill people off I wonder who will make it to the final episode. I can definitely see Juice and Tig being killed off, Unser too.

 

Gemma needs to go down. I don't think Jax would kill her if he finds out about her role in JT's death but he'll certainly be through with her for good no matter what.

 

Looks like the Mayans are back in the next episode. You see Alvarez meeting with Nero. Nero needs to get the hell away from Gemma and SAMCRO.

post #350 of 437

With Clay finally, belatedly, gone I guess Gemma is gonna be the internal enemy for the last season. I figure that somehow Jax and Tara end up together again and Gemma loses her shit and starts a civil war?

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