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post #1 of 11
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Thinking of trying a videogame knockout around here.  Has that been done before?  Perhaps with a focus on RPG's?  It's kind of a loose genre, and perhaps can include certain open world/sandbox stuff.  Have a draft list below (in no particular order), feel free to add to it:

 

Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium (1995)

Fable II (2008)

Mass Effect Series (2007-2012)

Deus Ex (2000)

Baldur’s Gate Series (1998-2000)

Diablo II (2000)

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003)

Final Fantasy VII (1997)

Fallout 3 (2008)

World of Warcraft (2004)

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)

Chrono Trigger (1995)

Red Dead Redemption (2010)

Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)

post #2 of 11

Not a bad idea, though I wonder if the genre differences in games are more pronounced than in filmed media so as to make the value judgments different in a contextual way. Like, are Diablo 2 and Deus Ex too different in form to make an informed either/or choice viable? maybe worth trying a series of these, one genre at a time so you have direct comparisons? Most of your list there are RPGs, so what about an RPG knockout to start with? That means we can widen the field too, with stuff like Dragon Age, Planescape and Ultima.

 

You know what'd be really interesting? An MMO knockout, because that's a genre where the games are mechanically so similar, but have so many small differences that make a huge difference in the long run. 


Edited by Workyticket - 9/1/13 at 8:31am
post #3 of 11
Lose the open world stuff and I approve.

Also, I don't know if Phantasy Star IV was intentionally top of the list or not but I love you for it.
post #4 of 11
Saints Row
Lego series
Assassins Creed
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Heh, yeah, my initial list was in fact totally randomly and unintentionally ordered.  But I appreciate the love for the Phantasy Star series.  My favorite is likely the very first one, but that's more for nostalgic reasons than anything else.  I have very distinct memories of attempting to map the damned dungeons out on graph paper one summer in middle school. 

 

As far as open-world stuff, for instance, I have a hard time not thinking of Red Dead as "roleplaying" as John Marston.  Less so for something like the GTA franchise, but my thought was that if I was making allowances for RDR, I couldn't not include Niko Bellic and GTA.  But there obviously has to be a limit... I mean, I wouldn't classify the Uncharted or Assassin's Creed series' as "roleplaying", should we? 

 

Also, with the exception of the gold standard Final Fantasy series, I've never really been down with Japanese/manga-looking rpg's, which I realize kills like half of this category.  Anyone want to suggest a few to add, I'm all for it.  I'm also open to classifying some entries as a full series (i.e., Mass Effect really feels like it should be taken as a whole), and others as individual entries (Zelda, Final Fantasy).  Thoughts?

post #6 of 11

Maybe you could break them up? I don't think it's fair to compare a series with individual games. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure most of the series you've mentioned do perfectly well as individual games. All three Mass Effect games stand tall as individual games.

 

I always get confused with the RPG vs FPS thing though. For instance, would Batman: Arkham Asylum be classed as an FPS game? Or RPG? What about stuff like Far Cry 3? Even Bioshock: Infinite? And why isn't Deus Ex: Human Revolution included?

 

Could we do these by studio? 

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Aurora Vampiris View Post

Maybe you could break them up? I don't think it's fair to compare a series with individual games. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure most of the series you've mentioned do perfectly well as individual games. All three Mass Effect games stand tall as individual games.

 

I always get confused with the RPG vs FPS thing though. For instance, would Batman: Arkham Asylum be classed as an FPS game? Or RPG? What about stuff like Far Cry 3? Even Bioshock: Infinite? And why isn't Deus Ex: Human Revolution included?

 

Could we do these by studio? 

 

Deus Ex: Human Evolution wasn't included on my initial list simply because I like the first one better, so threw that on instead.  But the Deus Ex series is a prime example of games that stand alone versus being looked at as a series.  As are the BioShock games.  But say, the God of War series?  And Mass Effect, I'm less convinced, as I view each entry as a piece of the whole.

 

RPG vs. FPS vs. Sandbox/Open World, that's the dilemma.  I'm honestly prone to just include them all and see how it shakes out.  Seems more fun that having to parse down to subcategories. 

post #8 of 11

Possible JRPG adds:

 

Dragon Quest V

Radiant Historia

Xenoblade Chronicles

Grandia

Secret of Mana

 

Western RPG adds:

 

The Witcher 2

Ultima VII

Might and Magic VI

Wizardry VII

Alpha Protocol

post #9 of 11

Oh, and Planescape: Torment is on the knockout or it is totally invalid.

post #10 of 11

DRAGONAGE: ORIGINS would be a good contender.

post #11 of 11
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Deus Ex: Human Evolution wasn't included on my initial list simply because I like the first one better, so threw that on instead.  But the Deus Ex series is a prime example of games that stand alone versus being looked at as a series.  As are the BioShock games.  But say, the God of War series?  And Mass Effect, I'm less convinced, as I view each entry as a piece of the whole.

 

I'm pretty sure the first Mass Effect game functions perfectly well as a standalone game. The second and third, not so much, but remember - we make no qualms about that in the actual feature film knockouts. I don't think we should particularly care about that here either. We're judging these games for more than stories, right? Gameplay mechanics and so on and so forth. I think it's fair to let them compete as individual games.

 

Again, God of War is weird as far as the RPG thing goes. It's not customizable (like Batman), has a fixed camera - I'd say Far Cry 3 is more RPG than God of War. Ah well, maybe you're right. Let them ALL compete.  

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