The jurists probably watch CNN Headline News:
The jurists probably watch CNN Headline News:
That was the problem with the Zimmerman trial. They shot for the moon trying to get the big conviction and ended up letting him walk.
First of all, WasteOfTape, it wasn't an all-white jury, as you said. There also wasn't a single black man on the jury.
2nd degree murder and manslaughter were on the table. They had three fucking days of deliberations to land on one of those counts, regardless of what the prosecution was shooting for. They jury didn't hang because the prosecutor overshot, they hung because there was a portion of the jury who didn't want to find Dunn guilty on any charge, regardless of all the evidence and testimony showing what a piece of shit killer he was. I wish people would stop playing Law And Order when it comes to cases like this - pinning it on overreach by the state lets the jury off the hook. The outcome here is shameful, and I'd expect the jurors responsible for it to feel ashamed if they hadn't demonstrated that they lack any sense of propriety whatsoever.
It doesn't help that this monster looks like Powers Boothe ate John Carroll Lynch. That's a whole lotta Southern-fried asshole.
She proved that the man was responsible for unlawfully killing Davis. That is all that she needed to do. The actual charge was malleable and lay in the jury's hands. This whole "oh it's the prosecution's fault!" thing strikes me as a way for people to deflect attention away from the snowballing perception that a large chunk of Floridians have serious issues with race and self-defense.
Look, if the will was there for all twelve of those men and women to find him guilty of killing Davis outside of the law, it would have been done. They spent three days asking detailed questions of the judge about all aspects of the case - if they wanted to find him guilty for 2nd or manslaughter they would have. The evidence was there and the testimony was there - the only thing stopping him being found guilty was the prejudices of certain jury members.
And it's the same in the Zimmerman case, by the way. The jury there actually *asked* for the definitions of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder during deliberations. Overreach had nothing to do with it - they bought Zimmerman's bullshit ever-changing narrative of what happened that night.
Source please? I have followed this admittedly not as close as the Zimmerman trial but unlike that trial I do not believe the lesser charges were on the table for Dunn. At least according to articles I have read there has only been one, quite possibly biased, source that reported the jurors failed to convict on lesser charges. However, EVERY other source neglects to mention this which seems odd. Dunn was originally charged with 2nd degree murder and his charges were upgraded to 1st(most likely because he retreated to get his gun from his glovebox).
Nowhere in mainstream coverage have I seen that the jurors had the option to convict on lesser charges which sounds true to form for Corey and Florida prosecutors and would absolutely lead to overreach and a hung jury on premeditated murder.
This is not about overreach, period. It is a bullshit excuse.
This definitely wasn't first degree murder. I want to hear from the jurors why they didn't opt for the lesser charges but as soon as Dunn turned from the situation to open his glovebox he retreated and upon Davis' death he became guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the least and 2nd degree most likely.
In the courtroom if these prosecutors play up 1st degree and push it like they do in the media I can completely see why a jury of people would reflexively feel they are being put into a situation to "make someone's career" and fuck up the decision making process either consciously or subconsciously.
I think trying to stymie a state prosecutor's ambitions by fucking up the conviction of an obviously guilty killer is just as prejudiced and twisted as any racial motivation would be. But I think it's all a rich tapestry of backwoods shitheadedness - him being a middle-aged good ol' boy white guy, Davis being a cocky black kid, a state prosecutor who has fumbled previous cases, and good old-fashioned ingrained-in-the-Floridian-soul racism. I am at a total loss as to how anyone can look at the facts of this case as they stand and think Dunn was justified without prejudice playing a huge part in their thought process.
I think trying to stymie a state prosecutor's ambitions by fucking up the conviction of an obviously guilty killer is just as prejudiced and twisted as any racial motivation would be. But I think it's all a rich tapestry of backwoods shitheadedness - him being a middle-aged good ol' boy white guy, Davis being a cocky black kid, a state prosecutor who has fumbled previous cases, and good old-fashioned ingrained-in-the-Floridian-soul racism.
I get the point you are making, Andrew, but what part of him getting 60 mandatory years at 47 years old isn't enough? The jury got the job done, yeah?
Based on our general stances on issues past I can't imagine you're a death penalty supporter and are arguing for 1st degree to achieve a death sentence?
The part where the parents of an innocent dead 17 year-old boy don't get to see justice done for their son. I'm not arguing for the death penalty, I'm arguing for this man to be found guilty of unlawfully killing a boy whose only crime was to be disrespectful to a bigot with a gun. That is an important line in the sand to draw, and it's sickening that members of that jury couldn't - or as is more likely wouldn't - do so. Sure, he's going away for a long time, and in some ways that means justice is done - but it's not been done for Jordan Davis, or his family. There were people on that jury who thought he deserved to die.
Yeah, I see what Merriweather is saying. It's good that this isn't another Trayvon-style case where the guilty gets to walk a way; it's good that this guy will be going to prison (hopefully) for the rest of his life. But the fact that the jury couldn't even decide whether this constituted murder speaks volumes of the sort of racism inherent in our culture. This sends a message that if you're not white, or dress or act in a manner that appeal to white men, you deserve to die. It's upsetting that these people, regardless whether they disagree with Davis' lifestyle or not, can't see that this is a kid with people who cared about him, who'll never be able to see him again. That's what's so gross about this.
You're right, because Florida's implementation of Stand Your Ground is that much of a travesty:
A little bit of Florida sunshine, just for variety.
An infant who had stopped breathing has survived after drivers stuck on a Miami motorway rushed to his rescue.
You know, because he's the victim.
I'm not sure if I love Florida, or hate it.
Florida Delivers once again
Unfortunately you cannot read the entire story online, I read it this morning in the paper. Basically we will have a whole
bunch of people packing heat during an evacuation during a state of emergency such as a hurricane. Guess I better
not be wearing a hoodie next time a storm blows into town, that's just asking for it.
Yeah, the LARPing part is goofy but harmless. The weird sexual violence connotations of that message he posted, though...that's a window to the Republican soul.
All in all, a very sad story, but where else but Florida?
Someone in the comments suggested that this was a "mistake that anyone could of made" because of...RealDolls. I have no doubt that if senior citizen RealDolls don't exist, they will in the very near future, but what the fuck kind of leap does a person have to make (and what kind of fucking idiot does he/she have to be) to totally bypass all logical permutations and go straight to mannequin? Fucking especially after physically handling the corpse!?