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post #1 of 56
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Don't know why, but this idea has seized me, so I'm gonna go for it.

 

I've already got 23 titles and I've barely started thinking; winnowing this down to 20 for sixty years of televised comedy seems impossible.  So, tentatively, the idea is to do a knockout for each decade, say 10 shows each, with the top two in each decade moving on to the final knockout.  That'll give us 14 for the final round, which feels like a manageable number.  I think I'd like to run the decade knockouts for a week -- I imagine a fairly clear 1-2 will emerge in that time, and if not, we can let it play out a bit longer.  Then we'd run the final knockout to its conclusion.

 

Otherwise, I'll take my list and the suggestions here and cobble it down to something less sprawling and do a single knockout.

 

So throw out your thoughts for the format, and any suggestions for titles here.  This will be open to American AND British comedy series, and not solely sitcoms.

post #2 of 56
Thread Starter 

Here's what I came up with so far:

 

I Love Lucy

The Honeymooners

Leave It to Beaver

Burns and Allen

Your Show of Shows

The Jack Benny Program

Ozzie and Harriet

Dick Van Dyke

Monty Python

All in the Family

Mary Tyler Moore

Bob Newhart

Fawlty Towers

WKRP

Cheers

Seinfeld

Friends

Larry Sanders

Spaced

Arrested Development

Both Offices

Community

Parks and Recreation

post #3 of 56

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

Spaced

Louie (I know it treads the comedy/drama line at times, but it's still a comedy right?)

It's Garry Shandling's Show

Taxi

Frasier

Newhart (80's version)

post #4 of 56

Thoughts:  I think you're going to struggle with participation for the decades until you get to at least the 80s.   I also think it might be more manageable if you make it simply the Sitcom Knockout.   If you include Monty Python, how do you then exclude Saturday Night Live, Kids In The Hall, Mr. Show, The State, Chappelle's Show?  MST3K?  Do you also include The Daily Show, Colbert, Conan, The Tonight Show? 

 

With just sitcoms I think you could maybe winnow it down 30.

post #5 of 56

Yeah, you could probably combine the earlier decades. Unless there's a Chewer here that's a rabid Leave It To Beaver fan, I see those early decades getting trimmed down quickly.

post #6 of 56

Also, The Simpsons, Futurama and South Park should all be mandatory, unless animation is specifically excluded.   And I will burn this place to the ground if you try to do this without 30 Rock.

post #7 of 56

30 Rock is one of the best joke delivery systems of the last 10 years. LOVE IT.

 

I see I repeated Spaced above. Apologies.

 

Shall we call this the "Live Action Sitcom Knockout"? 

post #8 of 56
Thread Starter 

The plan is already to combine the 40s/50s/60s and 2000s/10s.  The 70s, 80s and 90s are too rich to combine, in my mind.  If people don't participate as much in some, well, that was part of the reasoning behind cutting them off after a week.

 

And I think things like SNL and Kids in the Hall should absolutely be fair game.  The animated shows too.  I'd shy away from The Tonight Show though, because that seems more firmly grounded in the talk show genre.

post #9 of 56

BARNEY MILLER

FAMILY TIES

THE COSBY SHOW

EASTENDERS

ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS

THE FALL AND RISE OF REGINALD PERRIN

SOAP

post #10 of 56
Thread Starter 

And ultimately, I'm running this thing, so I get to make the tough calls and get hated for it if something gets excluded.

post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

The plan is already to combine the 40s/50s/60s and 2000s/10s.  The 70s, 80s and 90s are too rich to combine, in my mind.  If people don't participate as much in some, well, that was part of the reasoning behind cutting them off after a week.

 

And I think things like SNL and Kids in the Hall should absolutely be fair game.  The animated shows too.  I'd shy away from The Tonight Show though, because that seems more firmly grounded in the talk show genre.

I don't envy the task of organizing these, although I look forward to botching up the scoring and bringing the knockout to a screeching halt, aka "Pullin' a Mangy."

post #12 of 56

The Cosby Show

Goodtimes

The Jeffersons

Scrubs

post #13 of 56
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

And ultimately, I'm running this thing, so I get to make the tough calls and get hated for it if something gets excluded.

 

I don't see anyone burning Alec Guinness in effigy, but still: be open minded, especially if you haven't seen the show.

post #14 of 56

Oh, can we include TWO AND A HALF MEN just so we can put it at the very fucking bottom of the list as a symbolic gesture to any aliens who are watching our television and judging us?

post #15 of 56
Thread Starter 

Oh, I don't plan on being deliberately vindictive or dismissive.  Although I am wondering if you were trying to make a joke by including Eastenders...

post #16 of 56
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

EASTENDERS

 

I... see what you did there?

 

 

Other suggestions:

 

Brasseye

Blackadder

Red Dwarf

The Young Ones

Garth Merenghi's Darkplace

Bottom

post #17 of 56
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

Oh, I don't plan on being deliberately vindictive or dismissive.  Although I am wondering if you were trying to make a joke by including Eastenders...

 

In all honesty, I never watched Eastenders.  I merely included it because I thought it was one of the longest running British comedies and would probably make the cut.  If it's dreck, then please exclude it by all means.

 

Others:

KEEPING UP APPEARANCES

ARE YOU BEING SERVED?

post #18 of 56

Eastenders isn't a comedy. Not even close. It's a soap opera, and a quite unrelentingly depressing one at that.

 

I mean, I think it's fucking hilarious, but then again I'm a cynical bastard.

post #19 of 56

GET SMART

POLICE SQUAD

THE THICK OF IT

post #20 of 56
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Originally Posted by Workyticket View Post
 

Eastenders isn't a comedy. Not even close. It's a soap opera, and a quite unrelentingly depressing one at that.

 

I mean, I think it's fucking hilarious, but then again I'm a cynical bastard.

 

I love the thought of Judas sitting down for a night of comedy with his Eastenders boxset only to end it curled up on the sofa, weeping into his hands like a broken man.

 

post #21 of 56
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I love the thought of Judas sitting down for a night of comedy with his Eastenders boxset only to end it curled up on the sofa, weeping into his hands like a broken man.

 

 

Sorry, but looking at that guy and seeing the dialog...

 

post #22 of 56

Richard Dickson, I have only one suggestion for you (until I think of another, that is). It's also a good bit of advice to live by.

 

post #23 of 56
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I love the thought of Judas sitting down for a night of comedy with his Eastenders boxset only to end it curled up on the sofa, weeping into his hands like a broken man.

 

 

But at least there's some relief via the zany comedy stylings of the Mitchell Brothers:

 

post #24 of 56

Really?  no one has mentioned M*A*S*H?

I'm putting my computer in the fireplace for a moment and going outside.

post #25 of 56

Simpson/Futurama/South Park/Archer should be mandatory. And Curb your Enthusiasm.

 

I wouldn't include stuff like Garth Marenghi and Thick of It, despite their being great, because I very much doubt that even the majority of people here has seen them. I'd also leave out the more 'eh' stuff like Scrubs and Family Ties. And I kind of agree with Schwartz that it'd work better as a sitcom knockout rather than a by-decade thing.

post #26 of 56
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Originally Posted by Chief Hallorhan View Post
 

Really?  no one has mentioned M*A*S*H?

I'm putting my computer in the fireplace for a moment and going outside.

 

Yep, bad oversight.  You're absolutely right on including it.

post #27 of 56
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Originally Posted by Chief Hallorhan View Post

Really?  no one has mentioned M*A*S*H?
I'm putting my computer in the fireplace for a moment and going outside.

I was getting ready to suggest MASH. Good deal.

How about Dream On.
post #28 of 56
Thread Starter 

Had added The Thick of It already, as well as its spiritual predecessor, Yes Minister.

post #29 of 56
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post
 

I wouldn't include stuff like Garth Marenghi and Thick of It, despite their being great, because I very much doubt that even the majority of people here has seen them. I'd also leave out the more 'eh' stuff like Scrubs and Family Ties. And I kind of agree with Schwartz that it'd work better as a sitcom knockout rather than a by-decade thing.

 

The entire run of THE THICK OF IT is on Hulu, so everyone go watch it this weekend.

post #30 of 56

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Martin

In Living Color

post #31 of 56

Fawlty Towers, the precursor to Cheers.

 

Also:

NewsRadio

Roseanne

Taxi

Night Court

post #32 of 56
Laverne & Shirley

Three's Company
post #33 of 56
Thread Starter 

Considering the Disney knockouts were up in the 30s, we'll be going with a single knockout.

 

I'm also making the call to go with sitcoms only.  So no animation, no sketch shows, no MST3K.  There are certainly some deserving entrants among those, but this thing is already getting out of hand.

post #34 of 56

Animated sitcoms are still sitcoms, by my reckoning.  Obviously you need to make some editorial decisions to contain the field, but I don't know what else I'd call The Simpsons/Futurama/South Park.  Those shows, Simpsons first and foremost, have had a huge hand in shaping the single-camera format that is slowly overtaking the genre. 

post #35 of 56
Thread Starter 

Things are still fluid.

post #36 of 56

Id like to see a VERY solid line drawn at 1980 televisions shows and onward.  Let's acknowledge the genius and superior quality of the 10 or so iconic shows that belong in the top 30 that came before 1980 and move forward from there.

It's just so wrong to have people voting FOR Parks and Recreation and AGAINST something like Lucy or All in the Family, when they haven't watched them.  If your viewing catalogue isn't well stocked, then who cares what you vote or what anyone says.  

 We shouldn't debate the quality or cultural impact of All in the Family against Futurama on the merits that "all TV is so much better now" and "Humour now is so much more advanced blah blah blah".  

OR you're required to put an asterisk beside your vote when you're voting against a show you haven't seen at least half the episodes.  This entire endeavor becomes moot when people admit they're voting against a show because they haven't seen it.  

I know .... I know, that's the point.  But we start ourselves off half-assed when due to our average 'age' or 'experience' we are completely prejudiced to modern television.  If so, then does our final list even mean anything?  

Just an idea.

 

 

Oh and looking to the future?  Know that right NOW some 5 year old isn't watching YOUR favourite shows.   But in 20 years from now, you could be here extolling on the quality of Seinfeld while he blows it off because current humour is just so much more advanced, and it wasn't even in 3D, and there were hardly any explosions, etc.  Such is the world we live in.

post #37 of 56

It's the world we've always lived in.  Humor is highly ephemeral by nature.  Which is why I predict this will be a highly frustrating experience everyone.

 

And why I do like the idea of parsing it down as finely as possible to try to engage on a more level playing field.  I just think that participation will rapidly dwindle the further back things get from 1990 or so.

post #38 of 56
Thread Starter 

We've had ... what, how many knockouts now where absolute classics were getting down-voted because they were up against other absolute classics.  I don't see a need to shy away from that now.  And I personally couldn't do this without acknowledging the debt modern sitcoms owe to shows like Dick Van Dyke and All in the Family.  Besides, part of the fun comes from pitting classics against each other.  I want conversation, not consensus.  And maybe some whippersnapper who's never watched Barney Miller or Soap will see that discussion and decide to check it out.

post #39 of 56
Thread Starter 

And we had Disney films from pre-1950 go right down to the bitter end.  Don't assume everyone here has no clue TV existed before Seinfeld.

post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
 

Animated sitcoms are still sitcoms, by my reckoning.  Obviously you need to make some editorial decisions to contain the field, but I don't know what else I'd call The Simpsons/Futurama/South Park.  Those shows, Simpsons first and foremost, have had a huge hand in shaping the single-camera format that is slowly overtaking the genre. 

 

Concur on the animated shows.  A Comedy Knockout without THE SIMPSONS would be akin to having the Disney Knockout without, say, THE LION KING.   And I haven't watched the show in about a dozen years.

post #41 of 56

Then we need to consider including THE FLINTSTONES.

 

also: BATMAN needs to be on the list. 

post #42 of 56
Thread Starter 

I'd hesitate to call Batman a sitcom.

post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

I'd hesitate to call Batman a sitcom.

 

It was a half hour show that was funnier than most shows on at the time, but it's your call.

post #44 of 56

Even apart from the question of whether they deserve to be on the list (they absolutely do) part of the fun is seeing where they land up, and I'd love to see how shows like Simpsons/South Park fare against a Monty Python or Arrested Development in chewers' minds.

post #45 of 56
Thread Starter 

But see, then we're back to including Monty Python and SNL.  Gotta stop the worm from eating itself at some point.

post #46 of 56

Gotta give props to the anti-sitcom: Married...With Children.

post #47 of 56

I'll throw out a nomination for Party Down and Better off Ted

post #48 of 56
I was going to suggest mashing Andy Richter Controls The Universe/Better Off Ted together.
post #49 of 56

Veep.  Definately as a separate entity to The Thick of It as they are very different shows.

 

The IT Crowd.


I'm Alan Partridge

post #50 of 56
Thread Starter 

Good lord, I'm gonna have a hundred entries...

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