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post #101 of 280
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People who move to Arizona, or any place that's the desert, to live there permanently are already predisposed to being Racist nuts.

 


Fixed!

post #102 of 280
All right, Ruby Ridge... go!
post #103 of 280
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All right, Ruby Ridge... go!

 

 

 

wait.....oh, Ruby Ridge...

 

nevermind.

post #104 of 280
Waco, go!
post #105 of 280

David Koresh really was Jesus Christ Incarnate, so the global anti-Christian cabal supported by uber-liberal Satanists like Clinton had to have him and his followers silenced, in order to begin the Thousand Years of Darkness, as Chuck Norris has explained.

 

Duh.

post #106 of 280
Sounds legit.
post #107 of 280
The Waco siege began when a law enforcement officer, sent to investigate charges of child molestation made to the authorities by an escaped former cult member, was gunned down at the front door. To claim that Koresh's Branch Davidians were anything but a doomsday suicide cult is to refuse to take Koresh at his own word. The authorities waited the situation out rather than risk the lives of non-combatants inside, giving the cornered die-hard elements of the cult time to conduct a mass murder/suicide.

The Ruby Ridge fiasco started when a neighbor who had lost a small claims court settlement to Randy Weaver went to the feds with all sorts of crazy allegations in retaliation. This was kicking a hornet's nest, as Weaver was precisely the kind of person who would shoot at a news helicopter if he thought there were government agents in it. The authorities gave him the stand-off he had been dreaming of, with the incompetent management of the fiasco culminating in the death of Weaver's wife by a police sniper bullet.

Both incidents reflect failure on the part of the respective law enforcement communities to come to terms with the End Times paranoia of right wing radio and NRA literature and adapt tactically to Americans who believed they were at war with their own government, and the fact that both incidents have been cited for years by paranoiacs as drills for the day the New World Order comes to take Whitey's guns away is a kind of bitter irony.
Edited by Reasor - 9/13/13 at 4:24pm
post #108 of 280
Theory: the bizarre and conflicting accounts from official sources - people in the room as the raid went down - signal secret events surrounding the Bin Laden assassination. Explanation? Bin Laden is (or was for a time) kept alive at a black site (probably miles under ground or something) and tortured for info.
post #109 of 280

See, here we are, jokin' and having fun about tragedies and horror, and Reasor has to drop in and live up to his name.

 

"I am REASOR, champion of reason and facts!"

post #110 of 280
Part of what I find so interesting about Bin Laden's death is that taking him alive, announcing it, and denying him his martydom would have done so much more to deconstruct the air of mystery that the man had crafted. Maybe the story was clouded by bit players who wanted to magnify their own importance. Maybe he shot himself when he realized, as John Stewart put it, that the helicopter overhead wasn't the Channel Six News Eye In The Sky Traffic Report. Maybe revoking Bin Laden's birth certificate as soon as he was visible was simply the safest reasonable precaution, given the very real possibility of an explosive vest. I'm reluctant to second guess the men who were actually there.
post #111 of 280
Wow, Reasor's thoughts on Ruby Ridge and Waco are way different from my old man's.
post #112 of 280
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post

See, here we are, jokin' and having fun about tragedies and horror, and Reasor has to drop in and live up to his name.

"I am REASOR, champion of reason and facts!"

I was pretty amused to finish posting on Bin Laden and see that this had been posted. Actually, my family name is probably an anglicization of Reiser or Riser. My brother's bigger on the genealogy than I am, but I don't think he knows whether the family name means anything, any more than I do.
post #113 of 280

You'll always be a superhero to ME, though.

post #114 of 280
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

Part of what I find so interesting about Bin Laden's death is that taking him alive, announcing it, and denying him his martydom would have done so much more to deconstruct the air of mystery that the man had crafted. Maybe the story was clouded by bit players who wanted to magnify their own importance. Maybe he shot himself when he realized, as John Stewart put it, that the helicopter overhead wasn't the Channel Six News Eye In The Sky Traffic Report. Maybe revoking Bin Laden's birth certificate as soon as he was visible was simply the safest reasonable precaution, given the very real possibility of an explosive vest. I'm reluctant to second guess the men who were actually there.

I must disagree. He needed to die or disappear - to be wiped from the face of the earth forever and overnight. Otherwise he's suddenly the world's biggest celebrity. A fucking religious messiah, emerging after 10 years in hiding. Millions hanging on his every word or pronouncement from his lawyer. We couldn't capture him and just shut him up. It would be the biggest media shitstorm of all time.

We did deny him his martyrdom. We dumped him off a boat before anyone knew what was up. Then they bulldozed his compound a month later. We essentially snatched him up and erased him from the timeline before anyone had a chance to react - mentally or logistically.

I don't second guess the people, I am pointing out that those seals have given so far three conflicting accounts in the form of books and interviews. I am saying that the officials in charge of briefing the press on this gave wildly different answers about whether or not Bin Laden was to be taken alive, what the mission was, and how and why he died.

I do wonder if this was a smoke screen to keep us from talking about the possibility... that he never died at all, and we took him alive that night so that the world would think him dead but he could still be used for info gathering / tests.

Just a thought.
post #115 of 280
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You'll always be a superhero to ME, though.

Aww.

I was reading a lot of this kind of literature 20 years ago or so, when I was more gullible (and when Waco and Ruby Ridge were current events). Bill Cooper was a personal favorite of mine. His prediction, in "Behold A Pale Horse," that NASA's Galileo satellite was secretly an Illuminati delivery mechanism for a nuclear bomb that would ignite Jupiter and turn it into a star, heralding the Satanic New Age under Lucifer, the Second Sun, sure made that satellite's planned entry into Jupiter's atmosphere exciting to watch. I confess that a part of me was disappointed when all of that turned out to be bullshit.
post #116 of 280

Chris Carter and Vince Gilligan tried to warn us with the pilot episode of "The Lone Gunmen". Airdate: March 4, 2001!

"While investigating the death of Byers' father, the Gunmen stumble onto a sinister government plot to fly a commercial aircraft into the World Trade Center in order to ignite hostilities worldwide and increase arms sales."


Edited by Barry Woodward - 9/13/13 at 6:17pm
post #117 of 280
Thing I realized about conspiracy nuts is I think on some level they believe in all this horseshit because, goddamn, it makes life more exciting.
post #118 of 280

And it makes them feel like Sherlock Holmes, deciphering clues that we sheeple just can't see.

post #119 of 280
Two dozen guys showing up one night at Bin Laden's crib in a stealth helicopter, armed with high tech heaters and killer cyborg dogs, like something out of Fleming? That is plenty exciting on it's own. I just think there remain unanswered questions that any reasonable person would wonder about.
post #120 of 280
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killer cyborg dogs



Yeah, the idea that they actually gave Bin Laden a burial at sea does sound less exciting that the alternative narrative, where Obama has an electroplated gold pimp cane made, with Bin Laden's skull on the top.

During the 2012 debates with Romney, I kept half expecting Obama to pull it out and start quietly polishing it while Romney spoke, just to throw the former Massachusetts Governor off his game. It's what I would have done, not that I'll ever be President.
post #121 of 280
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Aww.

I was reading a lot of this kind of literature 20 years ago or so, when I was more gullible (and when Waco and Ruby Ridge were current events). Bill Cooper was a personal favorite of mine. His prediction, in "Behold A Pale Horse," that NASA's Galileo satellite was secretly an Illuminati delivery mechanism for a nuclear bomb that would ignite Jupiter and turn it into a star, heralding the Satanic New Age under Lucifer, the Second Sun, sure made that satellite's planned entry into Jupiter's atmosphere exciting to watch. I confess that a part of me was disappointed when all of that turned out to be bullshit.

 

I think everyone goes through a "phase" were this shit is interesting. I read Cooper's book as well but I didn't get past the bit where Aliens made a deal with the government that gave them (the aliens) a secret base in Arizona and unlimited Cattle Mutilation rights.

post #122 of 280
Reasor, I was referring to Code Name Cairo, the famous dog with various bionic / cybernetic implants that helped take down Bin Laden and later met with president Obama. I called him a killer cyborg since I don't think they gave him those titanium fangs to help him chow down on snausages.
post #123 of 280
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post




Yeah, the idea that they actually gave Bin Laden a burial at sea does sound less exciting that the alternative narrative, where Obama has an electroplated gold pimp cane made, with Bin Laden's skull on the top.

During the 2012 debates with Romney, I kept half expecting Obama to pull it out and start quietly polishing it while Romney spoke, just to throw the former Massachusetts Governor off his game. It's what I would have done, not that I'll ever be President.

 

The sight gag alone is enough to guarantee my vote for you.  Reasor/yt 2016.

post #124 of 280
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Reasor, I was referring to Code Name Cairo, the famous dog with various bionic / cybernetic implants that helped take down Bin Laden and later met with president Obama. I called him a killer cyborg since I don't think they gave him those titanium fangs to help him chow down on snausages.

He doesn't have titanium fangs. Or any other cybernetic implants. He's a well trained dog in a bullet proof vest with some specialized goggles.

post #125 of 280
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stealth helicopter, armed with high tech heaters and killer cyborg dogs

So the La Li Lu Le Lo (Patriots) were behind it? I should've known. Since 9/11 was just a massive conspiracy to build the new Metal Gear. 

 

post #126 of 280
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I've gotta hear the reasoning behind this....

 

C'mon GvR...to paraphrase a famous character, "enthrall us with your acumen"

 

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-is-bad

 

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My secret theory is that GvR is actually Andy Kaufman. While we're at it, I think he got Yoko and Lennon together, caused Buddy Holly's plane to crash, killed Cobain, and... what the hell a couple of corn dogs.

 

I certainly can't prove you wrong.

post #127 of 280
I got cornered by a friends elderly father who was really wound up about HAARP and Scalar waves.

On my way to work this week, someone has carefully stenciled "Chemtrails KILL" on several overpasses.

So the conspiracies are fictional, but I cant escape the theorists! Although i halfway expect the chemtrail graffiti is viral movie marketing.
post #128 of 280

 

Man, you just aren't trying.....

 

You've had the better part of a day to find some legitimate economists to back up your claim and yet all you post is a link to some ramblings of a fundie xtian wackjob who believes in the 'end of times'. 

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_T._Snyder

 

 

I'll say it again, you're nothing more than a DIsingenuous Contrarian Kibitzer when it comes to discussing politics.

post #129 of 280
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I got cornered by a friends elderly father who was really wound up about HAARP and Scalar waves.

On my way to work this week, someone has carefully stenciled "Chemtrails KILL" on several overpasses.

So the conspiracies are fictional, but I cant escape the theorists! Although i halfway expect the chemtrail graffiti is viral movie marketing.

 

I'd be funny to add the word 'graffiti' in between so that it reads "Chemtrail graffiti kills"....that could cause some nightmares amongst the 'believers'. : )

post #130 of 280
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Man, you just aren't trying.....

 

You've had the better part of a day to find some legitimate economists to back up your claim and yet all you post is a link to some ramblings of a fundie xtian wackjob who believes in the 'end of times'. 

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_T._Snyder

 

 

I'll say it again, you're nothing more than a DIsingenuous Contrarian Kibitzer when it comes to discussing politics.

 

You're right, I spent all day trying to think of what link to use about the Federal Reserve. I forgot you guys only attacked the source of a message, not the message itself, I should have just paraphrased some of the ideas. 

post #131 of 280
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You're right, I spent all day trying to think of what link to use about the Federal Reserve. I forgot you guys only attacked the source of a message, not the message itself, I should have just paraphrased some of the ideas. 

 

You don't need sources, man! Just write down what your gut feeling tells you!

post #132 of 280
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You don't need sources, man! Just write down what your gut feeling tells you!

 

Does it really matter if random people believe these things?

post #133 of 280
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He doesn't have titanium fangs. Or any other cybernetic implants. He's a well trained dog in a bullet proof vest with some specialized goggles.

I wouldn't be so sure. They're depending on a single source to over turn established facts about Cairo. That article is as full of holes as a swiss cheese wheel.

post #134 of 280
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I wouldn't be so sure. They're depending on a single source to over turn established facts about Cairo. That article is as full of holes as a swiss cheese wheel.

 

<palming of the face>

 

Yeah....the US army has bionic dogs...

 

Hmmm, I seem to remember something about this from my youth...oh yeah, now I recall...

 

post #135 of 280
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Fixed!

 

 

Pretty sure he was right the first time.  I lived in Arizona for a while as a kid, and there are several pockets of new-age hippies out there along with the Great Libertarian Revolution types.

 

Kind of a shame, really.  I loved it when I was there, but it didn't seem like such a cesspit of crazy.  Then again, I was in my late teens and not exactly politically engaged.  Though Tucson (where I lived) is apparently still reasonably OK.

post #136 of 280
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You're right, I spent all day trying to think of what link to use about the Federal Reserve. I forgot you guys only attacked the source of a message, not the message itself, I should have just paraphrased some of the ideas. 

 

I'm sure that Charles Manson has some great insights into interior design and David Koresh knows a lot about child care.

I'm sure their 'messages' should be considered valid sources of information.

 

 

c'mon admit it, GvR...your ideology is morally bankrupt.    

post #137 of 280
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I'm sure that Charles Manson has some great insights into interior design and David Koresh knows a lot about child care.

I'm sure their 'messages' should be considered valid sources of information.

 

 

c'mon admit it, GvR...your ideology is morally bankrupt.    

 

The Federal Reserve is morally bankrupt, nothing wrong with a person having a problem with a group that prints money till its worthless and has no government oversight at all.

post #138 of 280
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I'm sure that Charles Manson has some great insights into interior design and David Koresh knows a lot about child care.

I'm sure their 'messages' should be considered valid sources of information.

 

 

c'mon admit it, GvR...your ideology is morally bankrupt.    

 

Ahh, but you see it's not really his ideology.  He's really just here to play the role of the ultra-Libertarian so that the REAL libertarians get a bad rap and are prevented from getting their true message out to the people!

 

He gets paid hundreds of thousands a year by "them" to maintain these deceptions.  And a great medical and dental plan.

post #139 of 280
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Ahh, but you see it's not really his ideology.  He's really just here to play the role of the ultra-Libertarian so that the REAL libertarians get a bad rap and are prevented from getting their true message out to the people!

 

He gets paid hundreds of thousands a year by "them" to maintain these deceptions.  And a great medical and dental plan.

 

I can't say this is the wrong thread for posts like this.

post #140 of 280
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The Federal Reserve is morally bankrupt, nothing wrong with a person having a problem with a group that prints money till its worthless and has no government oversight at all.

 

If we go by the general definition of the word, this would make them the pretty much exact opposite of 'bankrupt'.

post #141 of 280
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If we go by the general definition of the word, this would make them the pretty much exact opposite of 'bankrupt'.

 

It seems like any time my arguments are getting any mileage you guys just start trolling me, like you don't know what morally bankrupt actually means, when you clearly do. Whatever...

post #142 of 280
You don't have arguments. You have gut feelings and 'just questions, man."
post #143 of 280
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You don't have arguments. You have gut feelings and 'just questions, man."

 

What a good argument. 

post #144 of 280
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Originally Posted by Gamera vs Rodan View Post
 

 

It seems like any time my arguments are getting any mileage you guys just start trolling me, like you don't know what morally bankrupt actually means, when you clearly do. Whatever...

 

Sorry, but your 'arguments' are getting shitty mileage....this is partially due to the poor quality "fuel" that you are burning.

post #145 of 280

His arguments have no fuel: Khan is storing his people inside them. 

post #146 of 280
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Sorry, but your 'arguments' are getting shitty mileage....this is partially due to the poor quality "fuel" that you are burning.

 

It makes no sense you'd be against me on this, any of you, this is one of the few times I'm for government power and against private corporations, despite leaning Libertarian there are some things that should be common sense like: 

 

Government issue of money is constitutionally, monetarily, and financially the soundest policy for the prosperity of the nation. The issuance of the money of the nation by a private corporation leads to the draining of the resources of the nation to the private corporation which controls the issuance of money.

 

It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. <-- This last part comes from their own damn FAQ: http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

post #147 of 280
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It makes no sense you'd be against me on this, any of you, this is one of the few times I'm for government power and against private corporations, despite leaning Libertarian there are some things that should be common sense like: 

 

Government issue of money is constitutionally, monetarily, and financially the soundest policy for the prosperity of the nation. The issuance of the money of the nation by a private corporation leads to the draining of the resources of the nation to the private corporation which controls the issuance of money.

 

It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. <-- This last part comes from their own damn FAQ: http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

 

...and yet, on the next paragraph of that faq.
 

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As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress of the United States. It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.

 

However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which often reviews the Federal Reserve's activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government" rather than "independent of government."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHSz5xIfqLM

post #148 of 280
Thread Starter 

Yeah, because Congress is constantly passing statutes to limit their power to damage the economy, right?

post #149 of 280
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Originally Posted by Gamera vs Rodan View Post

I don't want to be held responsible for any thread derailments. If you want to talk to me about my "silly" views here's the place. I'll kick it off by saying I don't feel we have genuine answers on why Tower 7 fell, it doesn't feel right that it came down and 2,000 people who are experts on architecture, structural engineering and so on are a part of a group saying the official story is inaccurate. Whatever you feel about any of the other theories doesn't building 7 make you wonder?
Bob Orci took down his twitter a few days ago and now this thread pops up. Are you Bob Orci?
Edited by Anyawatchin Angel - 9/14/13 at 12:38pm
post #150 of 280
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

The Waco siege began when a law enforcement officer, sent to investigate charges of child molestation made to the authorities by an escaped former cult member, was gunned down at the front door. To claim that Koresh's Branch Davidians were anything but a doomsday suicide cult is to refuse to take Koresh at his own word. The authorities waited the situation out rather than risk the lives of non-combatants inside, giving the cornered die-hard elements of the cult time to conduct a mass murder/suicide.

 

What's your take on the various evidence that the federal forces did a lot more shooting than they say they did?  And to the point even that people who wanted to escape and otherwise would have, could not? (I think one or two testified along those lines, that they weren't fixing to kill themselves that day even if they were paranoid cranks convinced they were in a battle to the last with the demon forces of Babylon)

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