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Unassuming, down to Earth pop princess with a long and storied career ahead of her?  Hipster culmination of ironic detachment that happened to make some good music?  Or not-ready-for-prime-time player headed up the slow click clack of the fame roller coaster on her way to a Brittney/Lindsay/Miley/Amy spiral of self destruction?

 

Personally after being introduced to her this weekend by my 11 y.o. son I hope the former.  There is something about her anti-bling anthem Royals that makes me hope she is a wordsmith and true to those lyrics that wants her to make the kind of music I want my sons to grow up listening to and speaking to them.  Although I wonder about who is making the stylistic choices for her videos.  Is it her and does she have a narcissistic streak or are her "handlers" going for something with the single shots on her?

 

She is the youngest Number 1 Billboard artist since Tiffany.

 

 

 

Such an interesting video as minimalist as it is.

 

Other songs from her debut are here.


Edited by TzuDohNihm - 10/7/13 at 5:53am
post #2 of 35

I fucking loathe pop music and I have an extra level of hatred for wretched "teen pop"...

 

... but I must admit, I really liked those two songs.  I have heard of Lorde but had never heard the music until now.  Kind of makes me a tiny bit more optimistic about music these days.

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Based on a post a friend made, I seeked Lorde out on Spotify.  It's weird.  The music is almost intolerable in my car - which has a decent system in it.  However, headphones?  So great with headphones on.  Can't figure out why exactly.  This is the first time I've had this experience.  Still, I really enjoy the music in general.

post #4 of 35
Wait, she and Lana del Rey aren't the same interchangeable phony chanteuse? I'll be a monkey's uncle.
post #5 of 35
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Wait, she and Lana del Rey aren't the same interchangeable phony chanteuse? I'll be a monkey's uncle.

 

I've been reading up on this girl this weekend and saw a few mentions of her sounding like Lana Del Ray( with some very adamant disagreements from other posters).  I don't think I have heard her music but was going to seek out a few songs later today to compare.

post #6 of 35
As a hater, it is my prerogative to hate.
post #7 of 35

Del Rey is much more Torch and dramatic.  People only think Lorde is similar because she can go quite low,  but she actually doesn't all that often.  Lorde is actually quite cheerful by comparison too, in a chilled out sort of way.

 

It's definitely poetic that she knocked Cyrus off the top after the latter found new ways to win the debauchery arms race.  There's way more brains at work than most of pop these days.  Could be faint praise, I dunno.

 

People complain a lot about the clips, kids mostly I guess.  They seem to be forgetting that you don't get a $1mil video first time (in fact you're wise if you don't, since then you have to pay it back if you don't sell) and most of the million dollar videos are pointless shit anyway.  Plus I get the impression she weirdly arty and her parents were probably hippies or the children of hippies.

 

Anyway, good luck to her.  Nice to have a song I can stomach at the top.  I suspect she'll settle back to a slightly alt popularity median in the long run. Or maybe I hope so.

post #8 of 35

She's from New Zealand so the fact that she made #1 in the US pretty much dominated all the news over here.


I don't get what the big deal is about (her music I mean, making #1 in the States presumably is a big deal)

 

My favourite quote on the whole thing was:

 

"Huge congratulations though, that's a massive achievement.  16 year old, from the North Shore, and not yet pregnant".

post #9 of 35

I'm not a hater but... I dunno. It's decent and what she's done is impressive for her age, but a few years from now I'm not sure how much these songs will stand out from the rest of the female singer songwriter electro ballady stuff that's been in vogue now for a while. As far as recent girly electro acts go, Chvrches made more of an impression on me with their big shiny pop hooks.

 

This was cool though.

post #10 of 35
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I got a Stevie Nicks vibe off the few Lana Del Rey videos and songs I checked out.  I get a more Alanis Morissette/Joan Osborne thing from Lorde.  Not sure if that bodes well for her or not.

post #11 of 35
Alanis and Joan are more strident. Lorde's thing feels quieter. She doesn't want to force herself on you, she wants you to lean in. It also feels much less like an act than what Lana is doing.

It's not something I've listened to a whole lot myself, but from the little I do know I hear a genuine - if still developing - artist in Lorde, whereas Lana feels more constructed and disposable.
post #12 of 35

She's a talented wee thing, no doubt, but I can't help but reminded that a great many of NZ's best artists just weren't around in the right era to get that international exposure they so richly deserved.  Headless Chickens, Shihad, Jan Hellriegel, HLAH and so many others could have been a lot bigger than they were if the internet was a thing back then, I reckon.

post #13 of 35
I always thought Shihad were about on the level of the Foo Fighters and the Foos are wildly popular so I was surprised Shihad didn't catch on better. I guess Dave Grohl's loveableness has something to do with it. And if you watch the Shihad documentary it does seem very much like a case of bad timing when they took their big swing at the US.
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I always thought Shihad were about on the level of the Foo Fighters and the Foos are wildly popular so I was surprised Shihad didn't catch on better. I guess Dave Grohl's loveableness has something to do with it. And if you watch the Shihad documentary it does seem very much like a case of bad timing when they took their big swing at the US.

 

Yeah, that documentary is a bit of a kick in the nuts.  It's almost like Ricky Gervais wrote their career and the level of awkwardness, bad timing and lack of tact/diplomacy when it's needed most is nigh on unbearable to watch unfold.

 

But Jesus CHRIST, 'Churn' was an amazing album.  So, so far ahead of it's time.

post #15 of 35
Heck yes, love both Churn and Killjoy. And the Shihad doc has tough moments, but at least compared to Some Kind Of Monster our boys seem positively well-adjusted.
post #16 of 35

If there's one thing youtube is good for (and it's actually good for a lot of things), it's giving us many different interpretations of the same thing. Most covers, of course, are crap. But some...man, some just kill that shit:

 

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 Most covers, of course, are crap.

 

 

I'm sure the original is always considered better than any cover.

 

We have a morning radio show program where artists are asked to cover a song from our national charts and i thought this artist who chose to cover Lorde's song did a good job.

 

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I'm sure the original is always considered better than any cover.

Pretty much...until All Along the Watchtower is brought up.

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But while her disillusionment with the young, trashed, and proud pack is certainly a fresh perspective, Lorde's creative success doesn't hinge solely on skewering the thoughtless decadence of the Rihannas, Ke$has, and Mileys of the world. Instead, what really makes Pure Heroine shine is the deconstruction of their musical conceits. Lorde and her producer/co-writer, the up-and-coming Joel Little, skillfully dismantle the slick, overproduced rigidity that's so prevalent in today's pop, stripping away the glitchiness, breakbeats, and vocal processing that have become so reflexive in the past decade. Taking its production cues largely from Jessie Ware's excellent Devotion, the nihilist pop of Pure Heroine makes a strong case for the less-is-more maxim. What's left is a remarkably unpretentious and almost raw set of vignettes mostly powered by Lorde's modest, affectation-free performances.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/review/lorde-pure-heroine
post #21 of 35

Guess I'll be THAT guy:

 

The bitch sucks. Granted, a lot of it comes from hearing the song over, and over, and over when I worked a shit job. However, I tried to make it through the album and couldn't do it. At least she still has time to change careers.

 

She was the toughest part to sit through of KROQ's Almost Acoustic Christmas.

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Guess I'll be THAT guy:

The bitch sucks.

THAT guy who calls a 16 year old girl a bitch?
post #23 of 35
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THAT guy who calls a 16 year old girl a bitch?

Not my classiest move, but I can't stand her music.

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She was the toughest part to sit through of KROQ's Almost Acoustic Christmas.

And now you're the toughest part to sit through in this thread.

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As a young woman, have you felt it necessary to call attention to the control you’ve taken over things? Or to remind people that you’re both a writer and singer?

Absolutely. I think a lot of women in this industry maybe aren’t doing so well for the girls. I’ve read interviews where certain big female stars are like, “I’m not a feminist.” I’m like, That’s not what it’s about.

She’s great, but I listened to that Lana Del Rey record and the whole time I was just thinking it’s so unhealthy for young girls to be listening to, you know: “I’m nothing without you.” This sort of shirt-tugging, desperate, don’t leave me stuff. That’s not a good thing for young girls, even young people, to hear.

http://www.thefader.com/2013/08/08/interview-lorde/
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Not my classiest move, but I can't stand her music.

I just happened to see your comment after reading about the 14 year-old pro-choice campaigner being called a whore by a bunch of grown men so I might have taken what you said more harshly than you meant it.
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I just happened to see your comment after reading about the 14 year-old pro-choice campaigner being called a whore by a bunch of grown men so I might have taken what you said more harshly than you meant it.

 

It's all good man. I'm very critical of her, probably why my date did everything she could to keep me quiet while she was performing the other night, heh. ;)

post #28 of 35
I don't really get what reason there is to dislike her that much. She's smart, she's a strong feminist, her voice is powerful, her lyrics are mostly pretty unique and fresh, and she just turned 17 like a month ago. She's creating a very interesting dynamic in the pop landscape where she's calling upon the people who don't seem to be putting much effort or thought into their music to check themselves and maybe try for something better.
post #29 of 35

She's definitely a wunderkind. I've found myself listening to her stuff a fairly often, and it's easy to forget she's just a teenager. There's not a bit of immaturity in her music, and it appeals to various age groups. It's honestly impressive.

 

Those two new singles are quite good, too.

post #30 of 35
Not really a fan of her music, but she's certainly extreme talented, has an amazing voice and an style all of her own.
I'd say she's this generations Stevie Knicks: a bewitching, otherworldly performer with a cult following because of her persona and talent.*

*Ive joked in the past, whenever her age controversy is mentioned, that I think Lorde is indeed older than she looks, because she might be a syren or banshee.
post #31 of 35
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Haven't heard the new stuff yet because my child has graduated to god awful whatever they are calling rap today. I'll have to look for it later.

I did read this morning she is opening Lollapalooza though.
post #32 of 35
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OK, if D.T. was referring to Green Light and Liability then I have given them a listen.  Much, much prefer Liability although I think I should have listened to Green Light with my eyes closed vs watching the video.  Green Light seems like it takes everything she was acutely NOT on her first album and throws it at the wall, backing vocals, some slight auto tuning here and there and drowning her vocals behind the music.  Liability is much more "her" judging by the first album and much more what made her famous IMO.

 

The video for Green Light does give me some John Hughes Breakfast Club vibes every now and then the way she is dancing and the bathroom piano scenes.  Most likely her dress and shoes do it the most but a few scenes hit me in my Brat Pack feels.

 

I was inundated with Royals on the radio when I started the thread so I'll give the two new ones a few more plays but if the rest of the new album hews closer to Liability I think it should make a fine sophomore effort if only to serve at the very least as a placeholder for an exemplary third album.

 

TLDR; Green Light sounds like everything else I have heard from pop princesses.  Liability is the mature music I expect from her.

post #33 of 35

Green Light, I feel, is that dance anthem that every pop artist needs at least one of. The song the record label can license out for movie trailers and shit. It's not her best work, but it's still a solid track. Head and shoulders above most other songs of its ilk that have come out in the last several years. I'd rather hear this song in movie trailers and commercials for the next year or two over the fucking shit Fitz and the Tantrums have put out since the first album, and has been shoved down our throats in every medium.

 

If I hear "I can make your hands clap" one more damned time...

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OK, if D.T. was referring to Green Light and Liability then I have given them a listen.  Much, much prefer Liability although I think I should have listened to Green Light with my eyes closed vs watching the video.  Green Light seems like it takes everything she was acutely NOT on her first album and throws it at the wall, backing vocals, some slight auto tuning here and there and drowning her vocals behind the music.  Liability is much more "her" judging by the first album and much more what made her famous IMO.

The video for Green Light does give me some John Hughes Breakfast Club vibes every now and then the way she is dancing and the bathroom piano scenes.  Most likely her dress and shoes do it the most but a few scenes hit me in my Brat Pack feels.

I was inundated with Royals on the radio when I started the thread so I'll give the two new ones a few more plays but if the rest of the new album hews closer to Liability I think it should make a fine sophomore effort if only to serve at the very least as a placeholder for an exemplary third album.

TLDR; Green Light sounds like everything else I have heard from pop princesses.  Liability is the mature music I expect from her.

Intriguing take Tzu, I can see where you were coming from but I was kind of the other way round on it. I haven't seen the videos but for me Green Light has a Florence + The Machine vibe more than 'dance anthem' (even allowing for the four-on-the-floor in the verses) or 'pop princess'. It's electronica, like most of Lorde's other stuff. Feels like a sequel to Tennis Court or Buzzcut Season or Team or something. I like it.

Liability on the other hand I felt was pretty enough but didn't really stick. Too light in the core. Needed drum machine or something. Needed to be electronica. Needed to be more Lorde.
post #35 of 35
Here's a thing she wrote for a local magazine a couple of weeks ago. It's not available online so I scanned it so y'all wouldn't miss out. Because that's how much I love you guys.



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