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post #51 of 483

No way any of that is true.  Ailes would have to be capable of inspiring loyalty in other mammals, for starters, plus you can't convince me there is enough principle to go around the Fox offices to support a blood drive, much less a walkout of any shape or form.

post #52 of 483
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No way any of that is true.  Ailes would have to be capable of inspiring loyalty in other mammals, for starters, plus you can't convince me there is enough principle to go around the Fox offices to support a blood drive, much less a walkout of any shape or form.

No kidding . . . "I bet this is the moment where Fox News reporters take a principled stand!" F'real?

post #53 of 483

It would be the height of hilarity if this "O Captain, My Captain" outpouring of support and faith actually did save Ailes job.  And then he turned around and fired all the participants for betraying the network ethos that workers banding together to extort concessions from their corporate overlords is the height of commie degeneracy. 

 

Kind of like the button on that Chappelle skit, where upon learning that he has been black all his life, the blind white supremacist divorces his wife for being "a n***er-lover".

post #54 of 483

I think the article is hardcore spin, but I also imagine some of the good old boys genuinely feel that way. If Aisles does indeed take the money and run, I think some of those guys will hold Megyn Kelley personally responsible for ruining the good reputation of Fucks News.

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post #56 of 483

Now let's see about that wave of resignations in solidarity they promised.

 

Because if there's one thing you can depend on with Fox News is their word.

post #57 of 483
Wish I could say that this was one for the good guys, but everyone involved sold their souls to one degree or another. Ailes embarrassing departure feels more like hot-buttered schadenfreude tempered with the cold reality of where we are today.
post #58 of 483
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Now let's see about that wave of resignations in solidarity they promised.

Because if there's one thing you can depend on with Fox News is their word.

I suspect Doocy might go, but the bigger question is will O'Reilly retire as rumored. Also, make no mistake, Ailes is not leaving the game. He's simply been relieved of his biggest cheat code.
post #59 of 483

I wouldn't be the lease bit surprised if CNN hired Ailes.

post #60 of 483

I wouldn't be surprised if Ailes became Trump's campaign manager.

post #61 of 483
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I suspect Doocy might go, but the bigger question is will O'Reilly retire as rumored. Also, make no mistake, Ailes is not leaving the game. He's simply been relieved of his biggest cheat code.

 

Oh, I know. It's probably only deck-chair rearranging at most. If only this were the Titanic ... (the actual boat, not the film).

post #62 of 483
My cynicism aside, the fact that the real life equivalent of Lex Luthor had to give up anything at all, and without the intervention of a real Superman, is heartening.

People like Carlson and Kelly will never publicly admit that this is a microcosm of a media, political, and business culture that has been degraded by misanthropic, debauched elitists, but the truth finally made one of these bastards accountable. We should never forget that this can be done, even if the people who made it happen conveniently forget that it did.
post #63 of 483

It'll be interesting to see if Fox News changes over the next few years.  Ailes was so hands-on (no pun intended) regarding the programming.

 

In general, we've seen some seismic changes in American conservatism this year.  Ailes is out of the Fox picture, Trumpism is running wild, Republican voters rejected many of the facets of Reaganomics, authoritarianism came back in a big way, isolationism is popular again, etc.  I honestly don't know what type of Republican Party we'll be seeing in 2020.

post #64 of 483
I truly believe that we might be seeing the seeds of a Far Right splinter party. The electorate won't be any whiter in 2020, so the establishment candidates will probably attempt to pivot back to the center in rhetoric if not necessarily belief.

Once the horrible black man is out of office, establishment Republicans won't have to worry as much about appealing to the worst anxieties of their deplorable electorate.
post #65 of 483

If Trump loses big, the Republican establishment shouldn't have much trouble getting its shit together.  After Goldwater got creamed, it's not like the Republican Party ceased to exist; it was back with a vengeance four years later.  Plus, beating Clinton in 2020 with a normal candidate could be an easier task.

 

If Trump wins and his policies suck (which they will, I think) and he fumbles every controversy (another likelihood), the party might not come back for a while.

post #66 of 483
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I truly believe that we might be seeing the seeds of a Far Right splinter party. The electorate won't be any whiter in 2020, so the establishment candidates will probably attempt to pivot back to the center in rhetoric if not necessarily belief.

Once the horrible black man is out of office, establishment Republicans won't have to worry as much about appealing to the worst anxieties of their deplorable electorate.

 

 

But if the horrible Black man is replaced by a Wimmon who won't know her place...my God it'll be the end of Amurica!

post #67 of 483
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No way any of that is true.  Ailes would have to be capable of inspiring loyalty in other mammals, for starters, plus you can't convince me there is enough principle to go around the Fox offices to support a blood drive, much less a walkout of any shape or form.

 

The Younger Murdocks are cut from a different cloth than their old man, and have been trying to oust Ailes for years. Now that Ailes is gone, Hannity, O'Reilly et all may well be out soon as well. 

 

So if that show of solidarity even happened, it was out of self interest. 


Edited by Cylon Baby - 7/23/16 at 9:58am
post #68 of 483
On Sean Hannity's meltdown after Jon Stewart's throat rip: It was the expected reaction, but I think what's really going on with Hannity is that he's facing the realization that it's probably over.

When you see these people completely lose their shit like that, it reminds me of Going Clear and Jason Beghe's commentary on that unhinged Tom Cruise video. You're seeing the stress of living in a cult-like atmosphere that requires that you commit, full stop, to wildly unbelievable bullshit.

Roger Ailes created the modern Republican party, which has led to Donald Trump and that is akin to the "Xenu" documents being leaked however many years ago. Hannity, O'Reilly, all of these guys, now have to deal with this. It may not happen tomorrow, but Fox News as we know it today, will be a different thing in the future, and the old guard will be put out to pasture.
post #69 of 483

Even if that happens, it won't feel like justice.  Hannity made his millions, and he made them being a toxic influence on the public discourse.

post #70 of 483

VERY damning piece from ​The New York Times​ today:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/business/at-fox-news-kisses-innuendo-propositions-and-fears-of-reprisal.html

 

The whole thing is quotable, so I'll just give the link.  I'm not saying that there isn't sexual harassment at other networks, but it's clearly a cultural thing at Fox.

post #71 of 483
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VERY damning piece from ​The New York Times​ today:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/business/at-fox-news-kisses-innuendo-propositions-and-fears-of-reprisal.html

 

The whole thing is quotable, so I'll just give the link.  I'm not saying that there isn't sexual harassment at other networks, but it's clearly a cultural thing at Fox.

 

I really hope that no one is truly surprised by the revelations that Fox News is really just a big business version of a frat house.

post #72 of 483

This was an interesting listen...

 

The Rise And Fall Of FOX News CEO Roger Ailes

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My guest, Gabriel Sherman, is the author of a book about Ailes called "The Loudest Voice In The Room: How The Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News - And Divided A Country." It was published in 2014. Sherman has broken several stories about these new charges and was the first to report that Ailes was about to resign or be fired.

 

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GROSS: How many women have you spoken with about their charges?

 

SHERMAN: Well, I've spoken with more than 15 women who have had experiences of sexual harassment and unwanted sexual advances by Roger Ailes over the years. And, you know, I just want to step back for a second, Terry, because what's so, in a sense, sad about this story is that when it broke in July - on July, 6, with Gretchen Carlson's lawsuit, I wasn't surprised because in my biography of Roger Ailes that was published in 2014, I detailed multiple instances of sexual harassment.

 

I quoted a very brave woman named Randi Harrison on the record who said that when she was a young producer at NBC in the 1980s, Roger Ailes said that he would give her a raise of $100 a week in exchange for sex whenever he wanted.

 

And this was, you know, shocking. This was all published back in 2014, and it didn't quite make the wave that I thought it might. And so this story that's, you know, exploded into a national scandal - sometimes, I guess, it just takes the right moment for the public to pay attention. But I, again, have, you know - over the years, I've interviewed more than 20 women who have had these types of experiences with Ailes. And you know, again, that - to me, it just seems like the tip of the iceberg.

post #73 of 483
Holy shit... http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/fmr-fox-booker-harassed-by-ailes-for-20-years.html

This is more than the lurid details behind the modus operandi of a serial predator, the stuff about Ailes "selling the war" while simultaneously fucking and blackmailing his way through his staff should be even more horrifying, even if reasonably intelligent human beings know this already.

If true justice were a thing, this would collapse Fox News and Murdoch's empire, but it isn't, so it won't.

A culture of cowards and enablers.
post #74 of 483

I'd guess O'Reilly is relatively harmless.  He probably just convinces women to dress up like his old German nanny and verbally abuse him while he tearfully masturbates.  Hannity though?  I'd be willing to bet a dollar the pile of strangled hookers would be more than enough to choke Godzilla.

 

And Bret Baier?

 

 

 

Smooth as a Ken doll.

post #75 of 483

Sean Hannity is possibly the most sure thing way to piss me off with a news clip.  I truly hate that...  Thing that walks and talks like a man.  

post #76 of 483
I find myself way less conflicted in the voting booth when I think in terms of "This is the candidate Sean Hannity doesn't like." Compromise must have been so much harder before him.
post #77 of 483
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Holy shit... http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/fmr-fox-booker-harassed-by-ailes-for-20-years.html

This is more than the lurid details behind the modus operandi of a serial predator, the stuff about Ailes "selling the war" while simultaneously fucking and blackmailing his way through his staff should be even more horrifying, even if reasonably intelligent human beings know this already.

If true justice were a thing, this would collapse Fox News and Murdoch's empire, but it isn't, so it won't.

A culture of cowards and enablers.


​I'm finally reading this now.  "Holy shit" is right.  Such a heartbreaking story. 

 

Trump, of course, keeps talking about how the women coming forward were all "helped" by Ailes.

 

So fucking gross.

post #78 of 483

Tantaros too:

 

http://www.mediaite.com/online/former-fox-news-host-andrea-tantaros-says-ailes-sexually-harassed-her-too/

 

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According to Tantaros’s account, Ailes began harassing her on August 12, 2014. During a meeting in Ailes’s office, Ailes allegedly asked Tantaros to do “the twirl” so he could see her figure. She refused. Then, in mid-December of that year, Ailes made another advance, Burstein says. “Ailes asked her to turn around, and then he said, ‘Come over here so I can give you a hug.’” Tantaros rebuffed the advance, Burstein says.

 

In February 2015, Tantaros was pulled off the 5 p.m. program The Five and demoted to working full-time on the midday show Outnumbered. In February 2015, according to Burstein, Ailes allegedly harassed Tantaros again in his office, asking about her workout routine because her body “looked good” and mentioning that she must “really look good in a bikini.”

post #79 of 483
This sexual harassment stuff feels almost quaint compared to revelation that he was siphoning off Fox's budget for personal vendetta espionage operations.

Plenty of powerful men of different political persuasions and even sexual orientation abuse their power to procure sex, but how many of them develop something as insidious as the so-called "Black Room"?
post #80 of 483

Carlson could be getting an eight-figure sum, plus audio tapes with Ailes and multiple women are out there:

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/exclusive-inside-the-fox-news-bunker-roger-ailes

post #81 of 483

Fox News had an intern go on dates with CNN's Brian Stelter ten years ago to spy on him:

 

https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/09/cnns-brian-stelter-fox-news-sent-staffer-date-me-and-spy-me-ten-years-ago/212260

 

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BRIAN STELTER: In terms of the money, this is Gabriel Sherman's reporting in New York magazine. He's been a leader on this story, wrote a book about Roger Ailes a number of years ago. A lot of what he's reporting I think reporters have suspected for a while. I'll give you an example. About ten years ago I had a crush on a woman at Fox News. She was a low level staffer. I was in college at the time. So I was going out on what I thought were dates. Chris, I thought these were dates. These were not dates. She was actually reporting back to Fox News about me. She was reporting back about what I thought of her and about CNN and MSNBC and Fox. Because I was a reporter on the beat, they were actually spying on me that way. Now I didn't think that was a big deal at the time. I thought it was the way Fox operates. Fox is a political organization. But now we know they were actually sending out private investigators. They were tailing other reporters. 
post #82 of 483

In the midst of the Ailes scandal, Fox' "Red Eye" invited Mike Cernovich on the program.  Why's that a big deal?  Cernovich is a date-rape apologist:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/09/why-did-fox-news-welcome-date-rape-apologist-mike-cernovich.html?via=twitter_page

 

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A Fox News spokesperson said Red Eye’s producers didn’t know about their guest’s extensive Internet footprint and history of ugly online disputes (including with #NeverTrump pundits Shapiro and Howe), and said that he won’t be invited back.

 

Yet Red Eye host Tom Shillue slathered Cernovich with on-air praise when he appeared on the 3 a.m. August 4 episode to fervently defend Trump and trash Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, who has reluctantly endorsed the Republican presidential nominee, as a politician who “doesn’t care about America. He wants open borders. He’s a globalist.”

 

“I love this guy,” Tom Shillue told viewers. “Michael, can you be back here tomorrow night?”

 

Shillue added: “I love the hell out of the guy, and we’re probably going out after the show and have drinks.”

 

Whether or not Shillue was aware of Cernovich’s gamey reputation, the 38-year-old non-practicing California lawyer—a self-described “radical free speech proponent,” and the author of Gorilla Mindset, a self-published self-help book promoting male empowerment—is famous to his 78,000-plus Twitter followers for his steady output of offensive and incendiary remarks, a veritable inferno of political incorrectness. 

 

“Have you guys ever tried ‘raping’ a girl without using force?” he tweeted in August 2012. “Try it. It’s basically impossible. Date rape does not exist.”

post #83 of 483

He's also one of the major GamerGate figureheads.

post #84 of 483

I swear, clicking on this thread makes me feel way grosser than clicking on the Behold, the Spider Cricket thread.  Why do I keep doing it?

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I swear, clicking on this thread makes me feel way grosser than clicking on the Behold, the Spider Cricket thread.  Why do I keep doing it?


​We have such sights to show you...

 

http://www.adweek.com/fishbowlny/roger-ailes-bragged-about-hiring-someone-to-physically-assault-gabriel-sherman/382700

 

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Another day, another accusation against former Fox News CEO and all around terrible guy Roger Ailes. According to Politico, Ailes bragged to “a source close to high-level Fox executives” that he could hire someone to physically assault New York reporter and national affairs editor Gabriel Sherman.

 

Sherman, as you know, has been the primary reporter on all the damning allegations against Ailes. Yet this account took place years ago, when Sherman was working on his Ailes biography The Loudest Voice in the Room. Ailes told the source “I know where he [Sherman] lives, and I’m gonna send people to beat the shit out of him.”

 

The source also said that if the truth ever came out about how he targeted Sherman, “multiple people at Fox would go to jail.” That’s a scenario we see as moving beyond possible to probable.

post #86 of 483

Who needs Ailes?  Fox pundits can ramp up the misogyny all by themselves, thank you very much:

 

http://fusion.net/story/335691/sports-court-fox-bo-dietl-mark-simone-tamara-holder-makeup/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialshare&utm_content=theme_top_desktop

 

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Sample dialogue: “I think when you see an athlete, why should I have to look at some chick’s zits? Why not a little blush on her lips and cover those zits!”

 

It got worse from there. “Would you put money behind a gal that won the gold medal that looks like a washed out rag?” Dietl charmingly said.

 

At no point in the nearly six-minute long segment did anyone seem confused as to why these two guys were best suited to address the subject. Nor did anyone bat an eyelash when Dietl casually exlaimed, “Tamara, look how beautiful you are with that makeup. What do you look like when you crawl out of bed in the morning? I’d rather have you now.” Everyone just laughed it off, like it’s a totally normal, germane thing to say while discussing the Olympics.

 

Before the Ailes scandal blew wide open, I was only periodically checking up on Fox News (unless, some big controversy popped up).  Now?  It's super hard to ignore segments like this when the company is going through a nasty sex scandal.

post #87 of 483

Andrea Tantaros is claiming retaliation against her harassment complaints in her lawsuit:

 

 

post #88 of 483

A statement issued by the judge handling the lawsuit:

 

post #89 of 483
"Sex-fueled Playboy Mansion - like cult--?"

I wonder if they're hiring.
post #90 of 483
Spin for us, Slim! Let's see that ass.
post #91 of 483
The full extent of Tantaros' claims are pretty damning, but I am SHOCKED that Hannity has yet to be named in any of this.
post #92 of 483
I'm pretty sure Hannity is asexual. There's no desire in his heart one way or the other
post #93 of 483
His children are proof that he has ejaculated at least twice in his life. He probably had to gut a puppy or something to get there.
post #94 of 483
Or he fucked a puppy.
post #95 of 483
Yeah, it struck me that the Fox News grotto would be occupied by Hannity and Coulter and not, like, Jimmy Caan and Jill St. John. So on second thought: pass.
post #96 of 483
Video has surfaced of a Saturday night party in the Fox News offices...
http://youtu.be/qdFLPn30dvQ
post #97 of 483
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Yeah, it struck me that the Fox News grotto would be occupied by Hannity and Coulter and not, like, Jimmy Caan and Jill St. John. So on second thought: pass.

 

You really think you're getting laid when Jimmy Caan is in the house? You don't know, Jimmy, son.

post #98 of 483

Hannity's nick-name in college was "Half A Heineken Hannity".  He reminds me of the guy who goes to a house party and checks the bookshelves for Star Wars EU novels to borrow.

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He reminds me of the guy who goes to a house party and checks the bookshelves for Star Wars EU novels to borrow.
...

*awkward silence*
post #100 of 483
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Hannity's nick-name in college was "Half A Heineken Hannity".  He reminds me of the guy who goes to a house party and checks the bookshelves for Star Wars EU novels to borrow.

I refuse to believe I have ANYTHING in common with Hannity!
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